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May 9, 2017 13:03:31   #
Bug58
 
While Congress has passed the Bill the Senate has not, and it has to go before the Senate then sent back to Congress before it goes to the President to sign.

So really the debate over it's passage is BS, because those other things required have not yet happened.

And many expect the Senate to make some major changes first.

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May 9, 2017 13:09:09   #
Bug58
 
Under such a Bill of "Medicare/Medicaid for all" the doctors WOULD then work for the Government, just as the doctors in the VA do now, and how one can assume they wouldn't is beyond me.

Right now, Taxes pay those doctors for those services, and thus under that system ALL doctors would be paid by tax dollars..So it would be JUST like the VA of Socialized Medicine.

Why not try something different for example, instead of paying the "Insurance Companies" a premium who then go to the doctors and work out a pay scale of they are willing to pay them for their services, Pay the Doctor yourself the amount of the monthly premium for his services to be your doctor--and work out between you and him as your doctor as to what services they would be willing to provide for that monthly amount.

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May 9, 2017 15:35:53   #
DASHY
 
Bug58 wrote:
Under such a Bill of "Medicare/Medicaid for all" the doctors WOULD then work for the Government, just as the doctors in the VA do now, and how one can assume they wouldn't is beyond me.

Right now, Taxes pay those doctors for those services, and thus under that system ALL doctors would be paid by tax dollars..So it would be JUST like the VA of Socialized Medicine.

Why not try something different for example, instead of paying the "Insurance Companies" a premium who then go to the doctors and work out a pay scale of they are willing to pay them for their services, Pay the Doctor yourself the amount of the monthly premium for his services to be your doctor--and work out between you and him as your doctor as to what services they would be willing to provide for that monthly amount.
Under such a Bill of "Medicare/Medicaid for a... (show quote)


Wait until you get sick before buying insurance or paying for treatment. That might work for some people. But what about the mother of four children who gets cancer, with no savings and barely enough to get by? She has no way to work out a fee for services. Maybe the VA doctors work for the government. Every doctor I know works for himself or is affiliated with a local hospital. Every one of them accepts Medicare in payment for services provided.

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May 9, 2017 15:58:25   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Bug58 wrote:
Under such a Bill of "Medicare/Medicaid for all" the doctors WOULD then work for the Government, just as the doctors in the VA do now, and how one can assume they wouldn't is beyond me.

Right now, Taxes pay those doctors for those services, and thus under that system ALL doctors would be paid by tax dollars..So it would be JUST like the VA of Socialized Medicine.

Why not try something different for example, instead of paying the "Insurance Companies" a premium who then go to the doctors and work out a pay scale of they are willing to pay them for their services, Pay the Doctor yourself the amount of the monthly premium for his services to be your doctor--and work out between you and him as your doctor as to what services they would be willing to provide for that monthly amount.
Under such a Bill of "Medicare/Medicaid for a... (show quote)


No the doctors do not now nor would they under a Medicare for All system. Goddamn some of you idiots are dumb. The doctors in the US are still in PRIVATE practice that accept MEDICARE for payment of medical services. Hospitals are still privately owned and run. The shitty VA IS a sicialistic medical system. The VA doctors and medical personnel ARE government employees and the VA hospitals are government owned and run.

The Expanded and Improved Medicare for All bill (HR676) would do away with the VA and medicaid systems as they would be unnecessary. Medicare for All would just be funded with tax money just like our current Medicare system for the elderly and disabled. It is just that EVERYBODY would be covered.

Educate yourself and quit talking out of your ignorant ass.

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May 9, 2017 17:26:07   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
buffalo wrote:
Like Ricko's example above, a Medicare supplement does not pay the balance of a medical procedure it just pays 20% of what Medicare pays. If Medicare paid $360 on an MRI then his supplement only paid $72. A Medicare supplement is a rip-off that the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations figure out another way to profit. My 88 yo Dad had heart stents in 2013. The operating facilities and overnight stay in the hospital bill ws over $82,000 and the doctor's bill was over $22,000. His Medicare with NO supplement paid the hospital $7800 and the doctor $2300. He never got a bill for anything. He pays $187/month for his Medicare.

I asked my doctor brother what the deal was that he never got a bill for what Medicare didn't pay and he said hospitals and doctors write off that difference as a loss and use it to reduce their income tax liabilities.
Like Ricko's example above, a Medicare supplement ... (show quote)


buffalo-Correct! However, what medicare allows is accepted by the provider as it is pre-negotiated. Not so with
private insurance where the full bill is paid by both the insurance co. and the patient. Do not understand how your Dad was able to avoid being billed the 20% that medicare does not cover without a supplement. That is most unusual and generally does not happen except with Medicaid situations. One learns something new every day !!
America First !!!

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May 9, 2017 18:15:21   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
buffalo wrote:
Remember when repubs accused the dems of rushing and ramming the ACA through Congress? With hypocrisy on display once again, with no holding of hearings, or giving the Congressional Budget time do do their analysis, the House repubs passed the AHCA that is, once again, going to hurt the elderly, the poor by gutting Medicaid and most of all those with pre-existing conditions, while giving the rich another tax break by nearly $300 billion over 10 years by repealing a payroll tax increase and a tax on their investment income imposed by the ACA.

Once again the private, for profit health INSURANCE is the big winner and premiums are going to continue to be ridiculously unaffordable to poor and moderate income Americans. One amendment allows states to ignore provisions in the ACA that bar health INSURANCE corporations from discriminating against Americans with pre-existing conditions and forcing them to pay higher premiums.

As unpopular as the ACA was with repubs it leaves the basic framework of Obamacare in place....hmmm

As only 20 repubs voted no to the ACHA, take a look at that group of wealthy men with guaranteed GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HEALTH CARE (as Federal employees) as they laughed and celebrated as they took healthcare away from 24 million Americans. When I see this adoring puppy look in Paul Ryan's eye, my stomach immediately reacts violently. It may be a biological miracle, but there is a man without a spine.

The majority of Americans (58%) support single payer health care. A recent survey from the Economist/YouGov found that a majority of Americans support “expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American.”

It is time for the DC monkeys for their corporate organ grinders to start looking out for their constituents interest instead of their corporate masters!
Remember when repubs accused the dems of rushing a... (show quote)


I have said it again and again. Everything that is happening around us is one giant reality show. There is no difference between the DC establishment Repubs and the Dems. The ACA was always going to crash and burn. It was crashing on its own before the dip shits in the GOP fucked it up even more. Controlling the peasants healthcare is as powerful as controlling the supply of money.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt

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May 9, 2017 20:13:06   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Ricko wrote:
buffalo-Correct! However, what medicare allows is accepted by the provider as it is pre-negotiated. Not so with
private insurance where the full bill is paid by both the insurance co. and the patient. Do not understand how your Dad was able to avoid being billed the 20% that medicare does not cover without a supplement. That is most unusual and generally does not happen except with Medicaid situations. One learns something new every day !!
America First !!!


Abilene Regional accepted his part A (hospitalization) and Dr Leverton, I guess, took what his Part B paid. All I know is he was never billed and received detailed statements.

My brother (ER Doctor) said they write the rest off their taxes as losses.

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May 10, 2017 09:40:06   #
Bug58
 
DASHY wrote:
Wait until you get sick before buying insurance or paying for treatment. That might work for some people. But what about the mother of four children who gets cancer, with no savings and barely enough to get by? She has no way to work out a fee for services. Maybe the VA doctors work for the government. Every doctor I know works for himself or is affiliated with a local hospital. Every one of them accepts Medicare in payment for services provided.


Then this might be something she would want to look in to: And if they were to pass a bill that says they will give you an HSA that you can pay for own policy or doctor, this might be something that would be less expensive.

http://www.wral.com/patients-pay-monthly-fee-not-insurance-co-pay-to-see-raleigh-physician/15185869/


http://www.aarp.org/health/health-insurance/info-08-2013/direct-primary-care.html

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May 10, 2017 13:22:00   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
Not to be cruel, but what do I have to do with the mother of 4, that got cancer? I mean, I'm 45, healthy because of lifestyle choices and have no kids? Shouldn't I be rewarded for not being a burden on the system. I have no children because I can't afford any, even though I'd like to reproduce,
Why should I have to pay for everybody?

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May 10, 2017 13:27:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
buffalo wrote:
Remember when repubs accused the dems of rushing and ramming the ACA through Congress? With hypocrisy on display once again, with no holding of hearings, or giving the Congressional Budget time do do their analysis, the House repubs passed the AHCA that is, once again, going to hurt the elderly, the poor by gutting Medicaid and most of all those with pre-existing conditions, while giving the rich another tax break by nearly $300 billion over 10 years by repealing a payroll tax increase and a tax on their investment income imposed by the ACA.

Once again the private, for profit health INSURANCE is the big winner and premiums are going to continue to be ridiculously unaffordable to poor and moderate income Americans. One amendment allows states to ignore provisions in the ACA that bar health INSURANCE corporations from discriminating against Americans with pre-existing conditions and forcing them to pay higher premiums.

As unpopular as the ACA was with repubs it leaves the basic framework of Obamacare in place....hmmm

As only 20 repubs voted no to the ACHA, take a look at that group of wealthy men with guaranteed GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HEALTH CARE (as Federal employees) as they laughed and celebrated as they took healthcare away from 24 million Americans. When I see this adoring puppy look in Paul Ryan's eye, my stomach immediately reacts violently. It may be a biological miracle, but there is a man without a spine.

The majority of Americans (58%) support single payer health care. A recent survey from the Economist/YouGov found that a majority of Americans support “expanding Medicare to provide health insurance to every American.”

It is time for the DC monkeys for their corporate organ grinders to start looking out for their constituents interest instead of their corporate masters!
Remember when repubs accused the dems of rushing a... (show quote)


Remember when Bill Clinton said Obamacare was the craziest thing in the world:

“You’ve got this crazy system where all the sudden 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.
“It’s the craziest thing in the world,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/299130-bill-clinton-slams-obamacare

Ya gotta love it!!

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May 10, 2017 16:56:42   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Remember when Bill Clinton said Obamacare was the craziest thing in the world:

“You’ve got this crazy system where all the sudden 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.
“It’s the craziest thing in the world,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/299130-bill-clinton-slams-obamacare

Ya gotta love it!!



Great reminder! Make sure you send that link to all the ACA communist Obama cheerleaders as a reminder of their hypocrisy.

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May 10, 2017 17:10:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
vettelover wrote:
Great reminder! Make sure you send that link to all the ACA communist Obama cheerleaders as a reminder of their hypocrisy.


And send links/copies to comedy central, Colbert, and all the other Obamites, including Jimmy Kimmel.

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May 10, 2017 17:18:48   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And send links/copies to comedy central, Colbert, and all the other Obamites, including Jimmy Kimmel.


Screw all of them. They sold themselves out in the name of money, fame and power. All of them are traitors.

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May 10, 2017 17:37:05   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Remember when Bill Clinton said Obamacare was the craziest thing in the world:

“You’ve got this crazy system where all the sudden 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half,” Clinton said.
“It’s the craziest thing in the world,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/299130-bill-clinton-slams-obamacare

Ya gotta love it!!


Slick willie is just another lying politician. That is what we get when we let politicians decide what kind of medical system we will have because the politicians of either stripe are beholden to their corporate masters instead of being accountable to the people.

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May 10, 2017 19:34:43   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
buffalo wrote:
Abilene Regional accepted his part A (hospitalization) and Dr Leverton, I guess, took what his Part B paid. All I know is he was never billed and received detailed statements.

My brother (ER Doctor) said they write the rest off their taxes as losses.


buffalo-that is a great outcome for your dad. it is refreshing to know that hospitals and doctors care enough to
do something like that for an elderly person. Yes, they do write off their losses and those write- offs are what enable them to make profits and expand. America First !!!

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