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payne1000

I'm not asking you to give your contact information. Your name and the area in which you live would suffice.
Billions supply that information about themselves every day on Facebook so you can't say it's not normal.
All your lies are directed at diverting from the fact that you refuse to identify yourself.
Anyone who wants to contact me can do so by private messaging.
My Facebook page reveals the town I live in.
Emarine was able to find my location using my name and the area in which I live.

You have provided no valid reason for remaining anonymous so it's becoming obvious you're a shill and most likely posting from Israel.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I know what burning buildings look like. I know how they smell, taste, sound and feel. I've been inside burning buildings, big ones and small ones. Uncontrolled fires, whether compartmental or wild, are unpredictable and they are dangerous. Uncontrolled fire has a mind of its own, it has a lot of tricks up its sleeve. You have to be on top of your game when fighting an uncontrolled fire.

I know your knowledge of fires and fire behavior is virtually non-existent, but tell me, genius, what is smoke and where does it come from?

What is really weird is that in your infamous "smoking gun" photo you see George Bush and bombs going off everywhere, but in this photo of WTC 7, with a heavy volume of smoke pouring from 20 or more floors and covering the entire south face, you refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is "enough" fire inside the building.

Put on your glasses, payne, and if you look closely you might see some fire burning in WTC 7

I'll go with what the FDNY firefighters and first responders had to say about WTC 7 rather than the opinion of of a blind 9/11 conspiracy nut.

"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild. The MPs said the building was going to collapse. I said, "Nah, I don't know." And then all of a sudden I watched the building shake like an earthquake hit it, and the building came down." –Ground Zero Superintendant Charlie Vitchers

We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

"Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

"I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

"Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring." –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly.

"At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down." –Firefighter Vincent Massa

"Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable." –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade

"The time was approximately 11a.m. Both of the WTC towers were collapsed and the streets were covered with debris. Building #7 was still standing but burning. ...We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its collapse was imminent." –PAPD P.O. William Connors

"At that point, Seven World Trade had 12 stories of fire in it. They were afraid it was going to collapse on us, so they pulled everybody out. We couldn't do anything." – Firefighter Maureen McArdle-Schulman

"We could hear fires crackling. We didn’t know it at the time, but No. 7 World Trade Center and No. 5 World Trade Center were immediately adjacent to us and they were roaring, they were on fire. Those were the sounds that we were hearing. ...At the same time, No. 5 World Trade Center, No. 6 World Trade Center and No. 7 World Trade Center were roaring. They were on fire. And they were right next to us. So we have all that smoke that we’re dealing with." –FDNY Capt. Jay Jonas

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Where there's smoke, there's fire.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

So BR; you can't believe your eyes????

Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws

payne1000

The video you linked only show fires on a few floors in WTC7. This is not nearly enough fire to cause a free-fall collapse of the building straight down into its own footprint. That much fire has never existed in the hundred year history of skyscrapers. Why would it suddenly appear on 9/11?
I suspect the smoke was from the thermite which was cutting all the support columns which allowed the tower to fall straight down at free fall speed.
You claim you were a firefighter but you refuse to give your identity to prove you are what you say you are. You are an obvious fraud, BR, begging readers to believe you, an anonymous shill, instead of what their eyes tell them.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You don't need to waste your time posting those over and over again. I've seen them all. Seems truther bullshit never dries up.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Really? All that smoke from thermite? You best rethink that.

Yeah, I was a pro firefighter. Don't have to prove that to anyone, least of all you.

It is truly pathetic to see an old man acting like a spoiled kid.

payne1000

If you want to have any credibility, you do have to prove you were a firefighter.
If you were a professional firefighter, you would know that every floor on a skyscraper is sealed off from the floors above and below.
NY City fire codes require this.
That means it is almost impossible for fires to spread to other floors without burning for hours. The airliners only affected a few floors on each tower.
The fires did not burn long enough to spread to the floors which remained sealed off. Most of the structure of both twin towers was not weakened at all. To think they could fall to the ground in less than 15 seconds is totally absurd . . . unless explosives were used.

It's totally apparent that explosives were used.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

1. You finally admit you do not give out your contact info. Was it really that hard?

2. Its pretty stupid to call me a liar and then ask me for information that you can't verify.

3. If I were in Israel, so what? Where I am doesn't effect the veracity of what I say. Your attempts to divert from the facts by trying to place me in Israel suggests you know your argument is weak.

4. So, are you in Afghanistan or Pakistan?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Hey, you're doing a hell of job exploiting your ignorance, if you want to continue with this stupidity, go for it. If this is the best you've got, there's no doubt that you couldn't sell sno-cones to Arabs.

"Every floor on a skyscraper is sealed off from the floors above and below"?

Where the hell do you come of with this kind of garbage? Did you read this on a truther website? Watch a youtube? Or are you just making stuff up while pretending to be some kind of world class engineer?

So you're saying that fire could not advance up or down through stairwells, elevator shafts, electrical and plumbing shafts, A/C and heating ducts, maintenance access hatches, and things like that. Not to mention the major ventilation conditions resulting from the aircraft impacts.

You're dead wrong. Heat rises, payne, hot air, hot gases and smoke, in spite of gravity, goes up. The hotter it is, the faster it rises. It's like those big upside down tear drop thingys with a basket suspended below goes up into the wild blue yonder when the dude in the basket fires the burner to heat the air inside. I reckon that's why they are called HOT AIR BALLOONS.

All those vertical shafts act like chimneys. I never fought a high rise fire, even in those in which the shafts were well sealed to the floors, where the fire did not find a way to GO UP. Uncontrolled fire in a building full of fuel is a tricky son of a bitch. You don't watch you ass in there, fire can sneak up and bite you.

The WTC buildings were packed with fuel, and, contrary to the feeble minded attempts by 9/11 truthers to minimize the aircraft impact damage, the devastation in the impact zones was massive. All sorts of internal structure was blasted to pieces, giving the fires plenty of room to maneuver.

Explain why the first firefighters through the doors found the huge plate glass windows in the ground floor lobby blown out into the street and people on fire.

Explain what the hell the survivors who were on the floors well below the impact zone were talking about when they described the damage to ceilings, floors, elevators, and offices.

For example, the 78th floor sky lobby in the North Tower (13 floors below the impact zone) was described by one survivor who entered there from the stairwell. "Like walking into hell", he said.

And, speaking of heart breaking. Here is something that a cold hearted reprobate like you could never comprehend.

Fighting to Live as the Towers Died

Hundreds were trapped on floors untouched by the airplanes. Even though the buildings survived the initial impacts, the twisting and bending of the towers caused fatal havoc. Stairwells were plugged by broken wallboard. Doors were jammed in twisted frames. With more time and simple tools like crowbars, rescue workers might have freed people who simply could not get to stairways. In the north tower, at least 28 people were freed on the 86th and 89th floors by a small group of Port Authority office workers who pried open jammed doors.

The impact zones formed pitiless boundaries between those who were spared and those who were doomed. Even at the margins, the collisions were devastating: the wingtip of the second plane grazed the 78th floor sky lobby in the south tower, instantly killing dozens of people waiting for elevators. In all, about 600 civilians died in the south tower at or above the plane's impact. In the north tower, every person believed to be above the 91st floor died: 1,344.

The impact came at 8:46:26 a.m. American Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767 measuring 156 feet from wingtip to wingtip and carrying 10,000 gallons of fuel, was moving at 470 miles an hour, federal investigators estimated. At that speed, it covered the final two blocks to the north tower in 1.2 seconds.

The plane ripped a path across floors 94 to 98, directly into the office of Marsh & McLennan Companies, shredding steel columns, wallboard, filing cabinets and computer-laden desks. Its fuel ignited and incinerated everything in its way. The plane's landing gear hurtled through the south side of the building, winding up on Rector Street, five blocks away.

Just three floors below the impact zone, not a thing budged in Steve McIntyre's office. Not the slate paperweight shaped like a sailing ship. Not the family snapshots propped up on a bookcase. Mr. McIntyre found himself in front of a computer that was still on.

Then came the whiplash.

A powerful shock wave quickly radiated up and down from the impact zone. The wave bounced from the top to the bottom of the tower, three or four seconds one way and then back, rocking the building like a huge boat in a storm.

FYI: pain1000, my credentials and my credibility as a firefighter was never questioned by the men I served with or by all the people we helped in their hour of need. We had some very rewarding experiences and we had some heart breaking ones. So, I am rightly comfortable with the work I have done as a firefighter.

You know what you can do with your demand that I prove any of this to you. It's really quite simple, you are as transparent as a sheet of optical glass, so there is no doubt how you would respond if I were foolish enough to try proving anything to you. I could post a couple hundred pictures from my photo albums, I could upload videos to youtube, I could send you my badge and none of it would make any difference. You would still be the same old ignorant fool in total denial as you've always been.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Great Post.

But as I've said. The Conspiracy nuts know they're wrong. They're just too invested in it to change. Now it's become part of their identity. For them to admit their mistake now would mean they would have to admit to being the biggest dufuses on the planet.

And as I've said before, these guys are the right's version of the Global Warming Alamist crowd. It's like a religion with zealots like these types.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I dunno, Dave, Joseph Goebbels said, "repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth." And, for sure, payne has done nothing but repeat the lies ad infinitum. His repeated posting of his "smoking gun" photo and the big lie that accompanies it has reached epic proportions. I'm convinced that he really does believe the garbage he posts. I don't think he is even slightly aware of how wrong he is.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Compare the information that the MIT Professor Dr. Postel has provided in his report (below link) and compare it with the information disseminated by the White House, consider both sources carefully, ... and then draw your own conclusion as to which one you choose to believe.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/khan-sheikhoun-syria-the-nerve-agent-attack-that-did-not-occur/5585818

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Perhaps..

payne1000

I never asked you for your contact information.
I asked you to identify yourself.
Knowing your name and general location would allow readers to determine if you are a shill or not.
If you are in Israel, that would cast a new light on what you post here. It would show that your allegiance is to Israel and not the U.S.
I'm in Castell, TX, as I have been for the last 12 years.