The health care crisis - solved: The health care crisis is real and getting worse every today. And it can be solved by getting the gangsters out of it. No other business in the world...

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

The health care crisis is real and getting worse every today.

And it can be solved by getting the gangsters out of it.

No other business in the world is allowed to operate the way health are does.

- What to know what the cost of a procedure is? Forget it, we'll tell you after the fact

- Want to shop around? Good luck because no one will tell you the price until after the service has been rendered.

- The price changes depending how much money they can extract from you

https://youtu.be/iimk11lMKt8

PeterS

ACP45 wrote:

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Why shop around when your insurance company will pick up the tab.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

PeterS wrote:

Why shop around when your insurance company will pick up the tab.

If more people did and made it competitive in price that itself would cause the industry to reduce their outlandish fees or cost..

Do you check your bills when they come to your home to be sure that they're accurate? Having had surgery, and sing the bills that come through their app to do absolutely ridiculous. They overcharge to compensate for people who are on able to pay for their surgeries. They also charge for things they never gave you or never did. I have on occasions highlighted the bil, sending it to my insurance company telling them that these things were not done or given to me... and yes, they have written back thanking me for bringing to their attention.,

The fraud in overcharges, or charging for things not done or givin is samajor cause in why we have what we no longer have!!!

S. Maturin

ACP45 wrote:

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Denninger--- WOW! That has to be the most informative video I have seen to date. Thanks for posting.

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

PeterS wrote:

Why shop around when your insurance company will pick up the tab.

now have Medicare, Medicare 'extension' and Cigna .Yet I still have to pay a 'co-pay' I have been in France and they after growing pains thru the decades from the twenties into the sixties, and now today have one of the best systems on the earth.

EL Loc: Massachusetts

PeterS wrote:

Why shop around when your insurance company will pick up the tab.

One can't shop around because the insurance company will not pick up the tab at just any hospital. Pick the wrong one and you're not covered.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

pappadeux wrote:

now have Medicare, Medicare 'extension' and Cigna .Yet I still have to pay a 'co-pay' I have been in France and they after growing pains thru the decades from the twenties into the sixties, and now today have one of the best systems on the earth.

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I have not been to France, so I'll take you at your word on that. But we live here in the US, and we as a country need to decide if we want a free market solution to our healthcare problem, or do we want a government run solution. I personally would like to see if a free market solution would work, and the common sense remedies that Denninger suggests seem pretty logical to me. Do you see anything wrong with full price disclosure and using the power of the consumer seeking the most cost effective solution to their own problems. If this process works for car repair, why should it not be able to work for healthcare?

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

EL wrote:

One can't shop around because the insurance company will not pick up the tab at just any hospital. Pick the wrong one and you're not covered.

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Then take the insurance companies out of the picture. Let people band together and form their own groups to negotiate with the insurance companies, and use insurance for what it was meant for, catastrophic conditions. Use Rand Paul's idea of expanded health savings accounts, full price disclosure and posting of prices by all hospitals and medical professionals, and put the power of the consumer making his own purchasing decision to lower health care costs. Let consumers purchase drugs from Canadian pharmacies, and let Medicare negotiate with the drug companies for the pricing of drugs.

Bevos

lindajoy wrote:

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I called an Ins. Co. WAAAY back yrs. ago and told them that procedures , on the bill, were never administered, and they did not care. They said what do you care, we are the ones PAYING it. I told them I was CHANGING Ins. Co.s, because I wanted a Co. that was MORE RESPONSIBLE than THEY evidently were!!! If more people would DO that, letting them KNOW and changing Co.s if they refused to do something about it, it would never have gotten as high as it did. You are right.

S. Maturin

ACP45 wrote:

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Would such groups be open to accepting those with 'pre-existing conditions'? That seems to be one of the greatest trouble spots to any new program, isn't it?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Lindajoy you are so correct. After my wife's leg operation we started receiving all these extra charges after I had paid $7000 for her deductible. We were told everything else would be covered by insurance. If we hadn't shown proof of quotes we would have paid more and more. After much arguing and faxing they finally admitted they were wrong.

lindajoy wrote:

If more people did and made it competitive in pric... (show quote)

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

ACP45 wrote:

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It's very hard to make the comparison to a car, as when a car gets too much of a problem we just 'junk' it. With our most precious possession 'our life' it is not so easy. for some strange reason, the medical profession and the funeral profession seem to have a lot in common when it comes to fees. However, when my time comes I am fully prepared for the journey, where ever, whenever that may be, as my cartoon indicates.

Tug484

Health care costs are too much. Just got a bill for over 13 thousand for 10 days.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

pappadeux wrote:

It's very hard to make the comparison to a car, as when a car gets too much of a problem we just 'junk' it. With our most precious possession 'our life' it is not so easy. for some strange reason, the medical profession and the funeral profession seem to have a lot in common when it comes to fees. However, when my time comes I am fully prepared for the journey, where ever, whenever that may be, as my cartoon indicates.

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Well Pappadeux, perhaps with the right kind of affordable healthcare, perhaps we can prolong you time here, before you need embark on the next leg of your journey.

pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

ACP45 wrote:

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Well Pappadeux, perhaps with the right kind of affordable healthcare, perhaps we can prolong you time here, before you need embark on the next leg of your journey.

Well ACP, I am in my last qtr. century, and have decided to get the most I can in the next 21 years.The way I will get there is to do damn well as I please, and do the best I can to enjoy every day of it. That 45 in your logo pic, I carried one when I was an Army MP. in France. Have a great rest of the day...