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Apr 7, 2017 09:16:08   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
S. Maturin wrote:
There is some 'right' and some 'wrong' in that entire nasty Obama-grown situation.

Civilization is often defined as to what it does and does not allow.. tolerate. Trump has just spoken for civilization.

Russian sensitivities? Who gives a rat's bum about how the invader of Crimea and the bully of Ukraine feels about this? Russian is into raw expansionism, the civilized nations are into humans being treated with dignity.

(For my fellow Americans who will decry Trump's actions, let me set up a scenario. You are in a public place and witness a savage miscreant brutalizing a child with the intent to kill that child.. do you walk away and pretend you didn't see the crime, or do you intervene?)
There is some 'right' and some 'wrong' in that ent... (show quote)


Maturin, you need to brush up on the facts surrounding the US instigated, financed and backed coup in Ukraine that ousted the democratically elected pro-Russian President that had rejected the eastward expansion of NATO and replaced by a US-selected administration.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless

Reacting to this western agression, Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. A fact ignored by the western media monkeys.

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Apr 7, 2017 09:44:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
2wheeljunkie wrote:
Like him or not, Trump has taken a position on the use of chemical weapons that has the worlds eyes wide open. I can't for the life of me, understand why the world has let Assad remain in power while he continues to slaughter his own people. My great great grandparents came from Syria many years ago so this issue is relevant to me. It's disheartening to see the pics of aftermath of the gas attack on those people. Like him or not, Trump's got balls.


Rivera on FOX is the only commentator I have seen that didn't just buy into the PTB script.
Has Trump been compromised? That is the question to answer. He just went against what he campaigned on.
Who got to him?
False Flag Chemical Attack in Syria
https://youtu.be/qr_ByQH2QY0
Published on Apr 4, 2017

Similar to 2013 chemical attack, the Western governments, and corporate mainstream media accusing the Syrian government of using chemical weapons, this time in Khan Shaykhun, in Idleb.
This video discusses the disgusting and criminal usage of chemical weapons in Syria, indicating that it is not the Syrian government but the Islamist\terrorist groups behind the attacks.


Turning a blind eye; invited more of the same.
https://youtu.be/qr_ByQH2QY0

Previous attacks in 2014:
The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
https://youtu.be/dkamZg68jpk

The Covert Origins of ISIS
Americans better figure this out in time. Who will pay attention to covert US foreign policy and share?

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Apr 7, 2017 13:31:37   #
Nickolai
 
PeterS wrote:
Obama sorta painted him into a corner. Had he not acted the comparisons, only much harsher, would be inevitable. But I have to say,59 missiles makes a lot of noise and it should have gotten Assads attention--though I would have liked one lobbed right at him to make sure he was really awake. Kadafi, after all, didn't change his behavior until his family was killed and him almost with them. All in all this is a good start and I have to finally give him a thumbs up!




The cost between 30 and 40 million

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Apr 7, 2017 13:41:49   #
200MPHTape
 
Nickolai wrote:
The cost between 30 and 40 million
Those cruise missiles were built back in the 80's, they needed to be used before they got to old, you are using gov inflated figures and todays figures on new ones that don't even look the same. The figures they are throwing out there are for lifting body cruise missiles that have the radar signature of a humming bird!

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Apr 7, 2017 13:46:31   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
buffalo wrote:
Maturin, you need to brush up on the facts surrounding the US instigated, financed and backed coup in Ukraine that ousted the democratically elected pro-Russian President that had rejected the eastward expansion of NATO and replaced by a US-selected administration.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless

Reacting to this western agression, Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. A fact ignored by the western media monkeys.
Maturin, you need to brush up on the facts surroun... (show quote)


You covered the details of what really happened in Ukraine real well,buffalo.

Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told
https://youtu.be/fWkfpGCAAuw
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
https://youtu.be/A2nklduvThs
For those that think the truth is important enough to know; copy and share.
Covered up BS, invites more BS.

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Apr 7, 2017 14:31:20   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
200MPHTape wrote:
Those cruise missiles were built back in the 80's, they needed to be used before they got to old, you are using gov inflated figures and todays figures on new ones that don't even look the same. The figures they are throwing out there are for lifting body cruise missiles that have the radar signature of a humming bird!


The Great Syria Lie: Why You're Being Fooled
http://wec.punchingbagnews.com/t/2652345/49050275/744079/2007/

The war drums are beating, growing louder and more synced with each runway departed and missile fired. As if by a switch, our media has become homogenized, with only one bare and concise notion emerging: we MUST go to war. And here we go – again.

While most of our great country ignored the last 8 years of destabilizing policies in the Middle East, the forces desiring war in Syria were hard at work. And, contrary to the opinion of so many partisans, these forces wear neither elephants nor donkeys as lapels. As we quickly enter into our first full day at war, let’s reminisce about the time we were almost tricked into going into Syria to avenge chemical weapon attacks – way back in 2013.

On September 1st, 2013, our Nobel Peace Prize winning president attempted to seek congressional authorization for an attack against Syria in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack. Social and traditional media swelled with reports detailing how the Syrian government used chemical weapons on their own people.

There was one major problem to this story: American backed rebels in Syria were the ones using chemical weapons, not the Assad regime. According to the Washington Times, “Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were 'strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,' that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.” The articles goes into further detail regarding rebel use of sarin nerve gas.

Appropriately, the US Congress rejected the fake war premise.

As the old phrase goes, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."

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Apr 7, 2017 15:16:51   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You covered the details of what really happened in Ukraine real well,buffalo.

Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told
https://youtu.be/fWkfpGCAAuw
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
https://youtu.be/A2nklduvThs
For those that think the truth is important enough to know; copy and share.
Covered up BS, invites more BS.


Not hard if one figures out who benefits the most. As in Ukraine, shortly after the US instigated coup, VP Biden's son, Hunter (who was kicked out of the Navy for cocaine usw just 2 months earlier) was appointed to the board of directors of Ukraine's largest PRIVATE owned gas company, Burisma. Certainly no conflivt of interest there, huh?

Which brings us to Syria. I find it extremely difficult to believe that Syria, as well as much of the middle east bullshit, isn't about oil and in this case gas. Look who would benefit with Assad gone. Qatar is a Sunni gas-powerhouse and wants to become the main supplier of gas to Europe, and Saudi Arabia is a Sunni oil-powerhouse, which wants to become the major supplier of oil, but Saudi oil and Qatari gas would be pipelined through secular-controlled (Assad's) Syria, and this is why the U.S. and its fundamentalist-Sunni allies, the Saudis, and Qataris, are using Al Qaeda and other jihadists to conquer enough of a strip through Syria so that U.S. companies such as Halliburton will be able safely to place pipelines there, to be marketed in Europe by U.S. firms such as Exxon. Iran also wants to pipeline its gas through Syria, and this is one reason why Iran is defending Syria’s government, against the U.S.-Saudi-Qatari-jihadist invasion, which is trying to overthrow and replace Assad.

Always look for those that would benefit (cui bono) and the truth will be found. It makes absolutely no sense that Assad would use chemical weapons on his own people. It ain't got shit to do with any phony humanitarian lies...er...reasons.

Why has Trump all of a sudden done an about face on Syria (Assad)? Has he been reminded where the real power lies?

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Apr 7, 2017 18:11:03   #
S. Maturin
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You covered the details of what really happened in Ukraine real well,buffalo.

Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told
https://youtu.be/fWkfpGCAAuw
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
https://youtu.be/A2nklduvThs
For those that think the truth is important enough to know; copy and share.
Covered up BS, invites more BS.


Not my job. Yours seems to be as apologist for Putin and just about any other force/entity contrary to America and American values.

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Apr 8, 2017 03:33:04   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
eagleye13 wrote:
The Great Syria Lie: Why You're Being Fooled
http://wec.punchingbagnews.com/t/2652345/49050275/744079/2007/

The war drums are beating, growing louder and more synced with each runway departed and missile fired. As if by a switch, our media has become homogenized, with only one bare and concise notion emerging: we MUST go to war. And here we go – again.

While most of our great country ignored the last 8 years of destabilizing policies in the Middle East, the forces desiring war in Syria were hard at work. And, contrary to the opinion of so many partisans, these forces wear neither elephants nor donkeys as lapels. As we quickly enter into our first full day at war, let’s reminisce about the time we were almost tricked into going into Syria to avenge chemical weapon attacks – way back in 2013.

On September 1st, 2013, our Nobel Peace Prize winning president attempted to seek congressional authorization for an attack against Syria in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack. Social and traditional media swelled with reports detailing how the Syrian government used chemical weapons on their own people.

There was one major problem to this story: American backed rebels in Syria were the ones using chemical weapons, not the Assad regime. According to the Washington Times, “Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were 'strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,' that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.” The articles goes into further detail regarding rebel use of sarin nerve gas.

Appropriately, the US Congress rejected the fake war premise.

As the old phrase goes, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."
The Great Syria Lie: Why You're Being Fooled br h... (show quote)


When you see a pink caddy parked in your own back yard, then tell us about it. When you rely on sources to tell you that you have a pink caddy parked in your own back yard...shame on you! So far, you as much as any fake news sources, have not taken the time to look in your own back yard and deal with what YOU know and see, instead of your dependency on fake sources.

Washington Times, New York Times...toilet paper at best. CNN worse.

There is ZERO for Trump to gain, or America to gain by going to war with anyone. Period. Let's try to not drum up some dumb theory that now all of a sudden Trump is doing an Obama move...don't bite into that crap!

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Apr 8, 2017 04:03:54   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
buffalo wrote:
Not hard if one figures out who benefits the most. As in Ukraine, shortly after the US instigated coup, VP Biden's son, Hunter (who was kicked out of the Navy for cocaine usw just 2 months earlier) was appointed to the board of directors of Ukraine's largest PRIVATE owned gas company, Burisma. Certainly no conflivt of interest there, huh?

Which brings us to Syria. I find it extremely difficult to believe that Syria, as well as much of the middle east bullshit, isn't about oil and in this case gas. Look who would benefit with Assad gone. Qatar is a Sunni gas-powerhouse and wants to become the main supplier of gas to Europe, and Saudi Arabia is a Sunni oil-powerhouse, which wants to become the major supplier of oil, but Saudi oil and Qatari gas would be pipelined through secular-controlled (Assad's) Syria, and this is why the U.S. and its fundamentalist-Sunni allies, the Saudis, and Qataris, are using Al Qaeda and other jihadists to conquer enough of a strip through Syria so that U.S. companies such as Halliburton will be able safely to place pipelines there, to be marketed in Europe by U.S. firms such as Exxon. Iran also wants to pipeline its gas through Syria, and this is one reason why Iran is defending Syria’s government, against the U.S.-Saudi-Qatari-jihadist invasion, which is trying to overthrow and replace Assad.

Always look for those that would benefit (cui bono) and the truth will be found. It makes absolutely no sense that Assad would use chemical weapons on his own people. It ain't got shit to do with any phony humanitarian lies...er...reasons.

Why has Trump all of a sudden done an about face on Syria (Assad)? Has he been reminded where the real power lies?
Not hard if one figures out who benefits the most.... (show quote)




"Why has Trump all of a sudden done an about face on Syria (Assad)? Has he been reminded where the real power lies?"

Perhaps you should question what would be the case had Trump done NOTHING? The Media would have a field day...claiming Trump is not up to making military choices.

There is a war ongoing in Syria. What makes you think Assad would not use these sorts of weapons on areas where rebel forces are known to be that would sadly include NON combatants?

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Apr 8, 2017 07:31:14   #
okie don
 
Major,
'Sometimes I think I should be locked up in an insane asalym (sp)
Then I look around and think I already am'

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Apr 8, 2017 08:33:28   #
PeterS
 
robmull wrote:
Same with Hussein in Iraq, but when chemical weapons are the chosen method as Hussein decided to eliminate the Kurds, as did Assad? with Syrians, the "launch" pads {airstrip} must be destroyed. Acting as BHO did is much like allowing a bully to take your pencil without giving him a black eye. And unless you have an aversion to pencils {or anything else as time goes on}, even a good stomp on the foot says NO MORE!!! No ifs ands or buts!!! No more "leading from behind;" bordering-on possibly the stupidest {barring ulterior motives} words a "leader?" could EVER mumble, anytime!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!
Same with Hussein in Iraq, but when chemical weapo... (show quote)


Saddam was our ally when he launched attacks against his own people--that's why we didn't object. He also used them against the Iranians and we cheered when he did that! It was only when Saddam threatened our oil supply by invading Kuwait that we began to care. And if you didn't approve of what how Obama responded why did you guy reelect the same congress that rejected his acting in Syria?

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Apr 8, 2017 08:57:28   #
S. Maturin
 
PeterS wrote:
Saddam was our ally when he launched attacks against his own people--that's why we didn't object. He also used them against the Iranians and we cheered when he did that! It was only when Saddam threatened our oil supply by invading Kuwait that we began to care. And if you didn't approve of what how Obama responded why did you guy reelect the same congress that rejected his acting in Syria?


YOU did not object... YOU cheered. Stop projecting.

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Apr 8, 2017 09:53:35   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
America Only wrote:
"Why has Trump all of a sudden done an about face on Syria (Assad)? Has he been reminded where the real power lies?"

Perhaps you should question what would be the case had Trump done NOTHING? The Media would have a field day...claiming Trump is not up to making military choices.

There is a war ongoing in Syria. What makes you think Assad would not use these sorts of weapons on areas where rebel forces are known to be that would sadly include NON combatants?


Iraq’s Saddam Hussein fell out of Washington’s favor, so he had to go and Iraq has yet to recover. Then Egypt's Mubarak Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi lost Washington’s confidence, so he had to go. Today Libya is a failed state. Ukraine’s democratically elected president Viktor Yanukovych fell victim to a coup backed by Washington and local neo-Nazis. Ukraine is in a shambles and less democratic. Now Assad? Can you connect any dots in US foreign policy no matter who is President? Who would benefit from Assad's ouster?

http://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/evil-assad-evil-gaddafi-now-evil-putin-how-the-west-sells-war-and-makes-a-killing/

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Apr 8, 2017 09:56:32   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yep, I heard both repub and dem politicians say that Assad crossed a line and we won't tolerate it. What they actually told Assad is " we don't really care how many beautiful little babies you kill...... as long as you don't use chemical weapons, that's going too far."

Here we have a government dead set on ending abortion once and for all, because killing unborn babies is murder, but a despot like Assad, the war lords in Africa, and all the rest of the crazies in the world, can kill as many innocent men, women, children and babies as they like - and we don't give a flying f&ck. We'll give military aid to Egypt, but reduce humanitarian aid. Yeah, that really makes America look great, don't it?

The only people we're fooling with this bullshit - are ourselves.
Yep, I heard both repub and dem politicians say th... (show quote)
Good comparison! President Trump should receive the ' landscaper' award of the year, also an award for keeping his word. If he keeps it up he will be recognized as a straight shooter ( pardon the pun).

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