Democrat or Communism (Page 4): Look it up, how much farther ahead would one be at retirement time if the money taken out of our wages, and our employers contributions for social...

I.R. Wayright

Look it up, how much farther ahead would one be at retirement time if the money taken out of our wages, and our employers contributions for social security was instead invested in the stock market over a 40 to 45 year working career?
How many liberal programs would have been possible without capitalism supplying the resources (taxes) to pay for them?
It may take a generation to unwind all the damage done to the country in your progressive quest for Utopia but at least we have started with new leadership.
Inequality and prejudice founded on deception? The fellow Americans I went to school with had the same teachers and books that I did. Did we all succeed equally and prosper at the same rates? No we did not. It is just human nature that some will rise to the top and others will fail. That is the beauty of our system. You succeed according to how hard you work for success. A lot of that depends on your parents. If they didn't instill in you the values you need to get ahead, you will be left behind.
Way back in the 1960s Timothy Leary said, "Turn on, tune in and drop out." He was advocating the use of LSD to get high. Rock and rollers promoted marijuana and other drugs. We are seeing the results of that bad experiment and those of you who believe liberalism is the answer are perfect examples of diminished reasoning capability.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Mr Bombastic wrote:

No doubt about it. You're a f*cking idiot. You don... (show quote)

You're discharging into a nonconductor with comrade Nickie. From the very first European colony to settle on America they tried socialism and almost starved to death. Capitalism/conservatism saved them. Nothing changes when seeking a healthy nation. We always falter when one form of social Marxism or another raises their nasty minds and policies.

Mr Bombastic

padremike wrote:

You're discharging into a nonconductor with comrade Nickie. From the very first European colony to settle on America they tried socialism and almost starved to death. Capitalism/conservatism saved them. Nothing changes when seeking a healthy nation. We always falter when one form of social Marxism or another raises their nasty minds and policies.

Things always devolve to the lowest common denominator. It's human nature.

bahmer

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Things always devolve to the lowest common denominator. It's human nature.

Its what they are brainwashing our children with, look at the Bernie Sanders support and all of the little snowflakes that supported him.

JW

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Things always devolve to the lowest common denominator. It's human nature.

Actually, it's physics...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Things always devolve to the lowest common denominator. It's human nature.

Yet you're showing the higher side of human nature by your comment and your knowledge of right and wrong and choosing that which is right and good.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

tom25411 wrote:

America was founded as a Republic (Hear the Nation... (show quote)

The Jig is up!!!
Communism and Fascism is out!!!
Except in our universities. That has to change.

tom25411 Loc: WV

It sure looks like my post inflamed all the libs in the western hemisphere. I admire the way libs can mold history into whatever they want as an example to preach the virtues of communism.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"America was founded as a Republic (Hear the National Anthem) Because of the abuses of the "Robber Barons" against the common working man during the industrial revolution the unions or the communist party was born as the Democratic party." - tom
Yep!

Our biggest problem is within:
Political Zionism (PZ) is what concerns me. NOT "Jews"
IMO, PZ is parasitical and diabolical. It is greedy and power hungry.
PZ has a globalist NWO agenda, and that is the antithesis of a sovereign Constitutional Republic.
A sovereign Constitutional Republic is what America used to be.
Some will revert to the anti-Semitic, anti-Jew smear, but we have been over that many times in detail.
All Jews are not Zionists. Some are anti-Zionist.
All "Jews" are not Semitic
All Zionists are not Jews, but they do have a heavy representation. Some feel the need to defend PZ, even after its political agenda is exposed.
So a review is in order:
How in the hell did Obama get elected to any positions of power?
Think about it!
Without Big Money funding BHO , and MSM covering up his background; it is unlikely Obama would have been elected, and our government filled with Muslims.
So what is the plan; the agenda of Big Money?
Who has been doing the influencing to get our politicians elected?
It has been BIG Money and the favorable MSM.
Who owns the MSM?
I hope more Americans start figuring this out.
Muslims do not own the MSM. Up until OB; there was very little Muslim influence. Who's purpose is Obama fulfilling?
Muslims do not get politicians elected.
This country has been getting screwed for many decades by both parties. They answer to the same power brokers.
Who has funded "radical" Islam?
That is the question to get answered.
Who will pay attention to covert US foreign policy and share?
The old Marxist divide and conquer ploy is being used. Americans used to live together in relative peace.
The Network Media claims that Muslims and their sharia law (WHICH IS TERRIBLE) is a BIG threat; BUT
The MSM ignores the world government promoting; Council on Foreign Relation’s (CFR) vetting in both political parties.
Who has any idea of who owns the MSM?
Very easy to research that.
Who's propaganda are we being fed daily?
Who has any idea of who has control of US foreign policy?
CFR vetted politicians in both parties for decades is who.
Who has any idea of who has control of our economy?
The private Federal Reserve System (banks), in cooperation with CONgress, has since 1913.
Who has any idea of who is financially enslaving the world, with their usury? Including the USA’s ($19.5 trillion debt), via The FED, IMF, World Bank, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and the rest.
How is it that MSM ignores that Zionists have been behind the Muslim and illegal emigrations for decades?
Diversity is good has been the internationalist’s propaganda for decades. Now look at Western Europe's problems.
Decades of /NeoCON/NWO/ /Bilderberger’s “Foreign Policy” has got America involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Ukraine, Yemen and ETC.
They are still pushing for Ukraine, Syria and Iran. Our “Allies” have become “enemies” over and over and over! Most recent; the US armed the radical Sunnis (ISIS) in Syria to fight Assad’s Shiite government in Syria. Now the US is fighting the ISIS/Sunni/Al-Qaida slaughter going on in Iraq. The NeoCONs (ie. FOX, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, Charles Krauthammer, and other CFR pundits), continue to push for attack of the Shiite governments in Syria and Iran.
All Shiites are our enemies according to our Talking Heads on network TV, but according to the MSM, it was Saudi Sunnis attacking us on 911. Not Shiites
I can only hope some here take the time to research and think.

tom25411 wrote:

America was founded as a Republic (Hear the Nation... (show quote)

PeterS

tom25411 wrote:

America was founded as a Republic (Hear the Nation... (show quote)

Yeah boy, if you can't rely on a billionaire to stand up for your rights who can you trust? And by the way, you do understand that Trump is going to bring back jobs and impose tariffs and other taxes to force that to come about. So what aspect of free market capitalism it that--I think I missed that when I took economics.

And just when was America Great. I just want to know so when it happens I can give Trump the due that he certainly will deserve.

Oh, and for your information the Democratic party was started by Jefferson and dominated by southern conservatives until FDR drove most of them out in the 30's and 40's. The rest left in the 60's so that communist party you are talking about was long dominated by conservatives...

Mr Bombastic

PeterS wrote:

Yeah boy, if you can't rely on a billionaire to st... (show quote)

Not THAT tired old discredited BS again. You can't defend the Democrap party, so you try to make it look like someone else was the culprit. It's pure fantasy. One or two Dems left the party. That's it. There was no mass migration. It's nothing but a myth. It is true that republicans used to be progressives. True progressives. Not the version democrats have become. Another case of verbicide.

PeterS

Mr Bombastic wrote:

Not THAT tired old discredited BS again. You can't defend the Democrap party, so you try to make it look like someone else was the culprit. It's pure fantasy. One or two Dems left the party. That's it. There was no mass migration. It's nothing but a myth. It is true that republicans used to be progressives. True progressives. Not the version democrats have become. Another case of verbicide.

And just what do I need to defend? The democratic party was founded by Thomas Jefferson which then became the home of southern conservatives. What defense do you think I need to make about that?

And while we are at it--name a single thing that you conservatives have ever done to advance this country. How is it you can make America Great Again when you've never done anything to make America great in the first place?

And True progressives? You are trying to tell me that you true conservatives--which are regressive BTW--were also once true progressives? Have you ever heard of an oxymoron? Now you are just trying to crack me up aren't you...

And one last thing--how is it you conservatives seem like you have never taken a course in political science or understand the history of ideologies and just what went into making you believe they way you do?

If you are interested, a good text on political ideologies is "political ideologies their origins and impact, by leon baradat" Leo does a hell of a job tracing the history and origins of our political ideologies and does a masterful job of explaining why people think the way we do. Try it out--you can get a text on Amazon for under ten bucks. It's well worth it if you are at all interested in understanding why you believe they way you do...

tom25411 Loc: WV

Looks like I really started something here. I have to stand by my original post. Commenters like Saltwind can switch a few helping verbs and cherry pick history, but it really don't change anything. Libs will be Libs, act like Libs, smell like libs and so on.

Come on Libs. Like it or not Trump IS our new president. Lets all unite as Americans and help "Make America Great Again".... IOW Support ou president.

moldyoldy

tom25411 wrote:

Looks like I really started something here. I have to stand by my original post. Commenters like Saltwind can switch a few helping verbs and cherry pick history, but it really don't change anything. Libs will be Libs, act like Libs, smell like libs and so on.

Come on Libs. Like it or not Trump IS our new president. Lets all unite as Americans and help "Make America Great Again".... IOW Support ou president.

When will trump support America? Right now he is lining his pockets and trying to make the rich richer

vernon

saltwind 78 wrote:

tom, Being an old American history and government teacher, I have to give you a 0 for your incorrect answer. The Democratic Party has its roots in the old Republican- Democratic Party founded by Thomas Jefferson. It greater shape under Jackson, long before communism was founded by Karl Marx in 1848 with the writing of the Communist Manifesto. The Democratic Party was first established as the party of the farmer. Later it became the party of the slave owners in the South. Under FDR, it became the party of the working man, although it was the more democratic of the parties long before that. Most Progressives of the early 20th century were Democrats, as were most unions. You are right about the robber barons. They were Republicans that spouted the same social evolution and laissez faire capitalism as the Republican Party of today.
The liberal philosophy actually was that of the new factory owner class of Europe. At that time the old aristocracy was at war with the liberals. Both classes were struggling to gain power. The conservatives of the day were champions of the old land owning aristocracy. The socialists became the voice of the workers and represented their interests.
In the United States, the socialists never gained popularity with the workers, because they embraced unions. As you know, the unions in many cases were controlled by the various Democratic Party machines like Tameny Hall in New York.
The Democratic Party evolved into the Party of the workers and many of the American Middle Class. It has also become the champion of civil rights since the days of JFK and Martin Luther King Jr. The Republican Party has become the party of the well- to- do and many blue collar workers that became dissatisfied with the Democrats, mostly because of fear of Black workers migrating to the North, and fleeing segregation in the South. Thats pretty much where it stands today.
If I were you, I would be concerned with the corruption of the Republicans. Republican legislatures like our VP, sell their votes to the super wealthy. The Democrats while corrupt as well sometimes do the same.

tom, Being an old American history and government ... (show quote)

Oh just sometimes.