For the idiots that think Trump hasn't accomplished anything in his first 2 months (Page 7): "You don't know much about this subject, do you?" - Super D Is there a subject that Petey S...

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Super Dave wrote:

Uhhh.

News Flash... Coal miners are only looking for government to get out of the way.

Even with liberal government interference, coal accounts for about 1/3 of America's electricity.

You don't know much about this subject, do you?

"You don't know much about this subject, do you?" - Super D

Is there a subject that Petey S does have a good grasp of?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

eagleye13 wrote:

"You don't know much about this subject, do you?" - Super D

Is there a subject that Petey S does have a good grasp of?

If so, it probably involves a lot of lube and a picture of Maxine Waters.

moldyoldy

Donald Trump Says He'll Bring Back Coal. Here's Why He Can't
Justin Worland
Nov 14, 2016

President-elect Donald Trump promised repeatedly throughout his campaign that he would revive the coal industry, billing himself as the “last shot for the miners.” And in traditional mining areas—think parts of West Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania—Trump defeated rival Hillary Clinton by large margins. But policymakers on both sides of the aisle say they cannot envision any way for Trump to save the coal industry, whose decline they attribute as much to market forces as Obama-era regulation.
Just a decade ago coal provided half of the energy used for power generation in the U.S., but fracking has driven a boom in the country's supply of natural gas and made it a cheaper alternative in most cases. And, with cost in mind, utility companies have made the switch even in places without regulation pushing them to do so. Last year, natural gas and coal-fired power plants each provided about a third of the country's power supply, according to an Energy Information Administration (EIA) report. Total coal production in U.S. mines declined to about 900 millions last year, only three-quarters of production in 2008, according to EIA data.
Coal also struggles to compete with renewable energy sources like wind and solar in locations where those resources are abundant. The cost of solar panels in particular has declined precipitously thanks to technology advances in recent years. Even conservative states like Texas and Oklahoma have become fast adopters of widely available wind energy.
Read More: Donald Trump’s Victory Could Mean Disaster for the Planet
"Trump is not going to bring all the coal jobs back," says Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. "There isn't a lot of investment activity because in some cases it looks more economically attractive for firms to invest in cleaner technologies."
Beyond the competition jobs in the coal industry have also disappeared in recent decades as a result of mechanization that began in the 1980s. Approximately 50,000 coal-related jobs have been lost between 2008 and 2012, according to a study from last year. Even if coal production increased, those jobs would not return.
Trump has offered few clues to how he might meet his promise revive coal, but his plan seems to rest largely on gutting environmental regulations, particularly President Obama's Clean Power Plan. That regulation—issued through the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)—requires states to come up with plans to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions from the power sector. Scrapping the plan will definitely slow the decline of coal but it will not be enough to stop it entirely and it certainly cannot bring back the jobs that have already disappeared, experts say.
Read More: Power from Natural Gas Expected to Reach a Record High Despite Climate Concerns
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the GOP-led Congress would draft new laws to end what he described as the "war on coal," but acknowledged that Trump's promises may be difficult to meet. “We are going to be presenting to the new president a variety of options that could end this assault,” he said, according to comments reported by the Lexington Morning Herald. “Whether that immediately brings business back is hard to tell because it’s a private sector activity.”
Many supporters of environmental regulations say that the federal government should spend to help coal-producing areas transition to jobs in clean technology, but Republicans have thus far remained skeptical of such proposals.
“If we’re concerned about coal country, and I am, we have to do a lot more than just yell,” Van Jones, an environmental activist who served as President Obama’s first-term green jobs czar, said during the campaign. “At some point we have to accept the fact that the clean energy companies are growing faster than everything else.”

http://time.com/4570070/donald-trump-coal-jobs/

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Van Jones. The x felon and truther. Great source. He may be less qualified than you to render an opinion.

moldyoldy wrote:

Donald Trump Says He'll Bring Back Coal. Here's Why He Can't
Justin Worland
Nov 14, 2016

President-elect Donald Trump promised repeatedly throughout his campaign that he would revive the coal industry, billing himself as the “last shot for the miners.” And in traditional mining areas—think parts of West Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania—Trump defeated rival Hillary Clinton by large margins. But policymakers on both sides of the aisle say they cannot envision any way for Trump to save the coal industry, whose decline they attribute as much to market forces as Obama-era regulation.
Just a decade ago coal provided half of the energy used for power generation in the U.S., but fracking has driven a boom in the country's supply of natural gas and made it a cheaper alternative in most cases. And, with cost in mind, utility companies have made the switch even in places without regulation pushing them to do so. Last year, natural gas and coal-fired power plants each provided about a third of the country's power supply, according to an Energy Information Administration (EIA) report. Total coal production in U.S. mines declined to about 900 millions last year, only three-quarters of production in 2008, according to EIA data.
Coal also struggles to compete with renewable energy sources like wind and solar in locations where those resources are abundant. The cost of solar panels in particular has declined precipitously thanks to technology advances in recent years. Even conservative states like Texas and Oklahoma have become fast adopters of widely available wind energy.
Read More: Donald Trump’s Victory Could Mean Disaster for the Planet
"Trump is not going to bring all the coal jobs back," says Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. "There isn't a lot of investment activity because in some cases it looks more economically attractive for firms to invest in cleaner technologies."
Beyond the competition jobs in the coal industry have also disappeared in recent decades as a result of mechanization that began in the 1980s. Approximately 50,000 coal-related jobs have been lost between 2008 and 2012, according to a study from last year. Even if coal production increased, those jobs would not return.
Trump has offered few clues to how he might meet his promise revive coal, but his plan seems to rest largely on gutting environmental regulations, particularly President Obama's Clean Power Plan. That regulation—issued through the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)—requires states to come up with plans to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions from the power sector. Scrapping the plan will definitely slow the decline of coal but it will not be enough to stop it entirely and it certainly cannot bring back the jobs that have already disappeared, experts say.
Read More: Power from Natural Gas Expected to Reach a Record High Despite Climate Concerns
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the GOP-led Congress would draft new laws to end what he described as the "war on coal," but acknowledged that Trump's promises may be difficult to meet. “We are going to be presenting to the new president a variety of options that could end this assault,” he said, according to comments reported by the Lexington Morning Herald. “Whether that immediately brings business back is hard to tell because it’s a private sector activity.”
Many supporters of environmental regulations say that the federal government should spend to help coal-producing areas transition to jobs in clean technology, but Republicans have thus far remained skeptical of such proposals.
“If we’re concerned about coal country, and I am, we have to do a lot more than just yell,” Van Jones, an environmental activist who served as President Obama’s first-term green jobs czar, said during the campaign. “At some point we have to accept the fact that the clean energy companies are growing faster than everything else.”

http://time.com/4570070/donald-trump-coal-jobs/

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straightUp Loc: California

eagleye13 wrote:

"And only a complete moron could possibly think that national debt can be cut by $12 billion in just two months. Obviously, something in your brain isn't functioning correctly."- straight?

So you think the Democrats were going to be more fiscally responsible, straight?

More fiscally responsible than the Republicans? Yes. The track record for both sides is clear as a sunny day. Democrats cover their spending with tax revenue, Republicans cover their spending with debt. Which do YOU think is more fiscally responsible?

eagleye13 wrote:

A Federal debt that went from 10 Trillion$ to 20 Trillion$ in 7 years.

Maybe you're just "rounding up" but it's $10 trillion to $18 trillion over 8 years. And that increase in national debt BTW, is a direct reflection of how fiscally irresponsible the Republicans really are.

"The day the Bush administration took over from President Bill Clinton in 2001, America enjoyed a $236 billion budget surplus -- with a projected 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion,"wrote David Axelrod, chief adviser to President Barack Obama wrote in response to Karl Rove. "When the Bush administration left office, it handed President Obama a $1.3 trillion deficit -- and projected shortfalls of $8 trillion for the next decade."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/15/david-axelrod/axelrod-claims-bush-saddled-obama-big-deficit/

Well, there's your $8 trillion difference... $10 trillion + (projected) $8 trillion = $18 trillion. That means the entire increase in debt from 2008 to 2017 was incurred by the Bush Administration, not the Obama Administration... After all, these projections are based on existing obligations, not guessing what the next president will do. So where's the debt that Obama added? Answer: there isn't any. Everything Obama spent was covered under the budget. Everything he proposed was linked to a revenue source. Official records show that aside from meeting Bush's obligations, Obama actually spent less than ANY of the last five presidents.

This topic has been beaten to death and I'm comfortable in saying that at this point anyone who is still equating the $8 trillion increase (or $10 trillion for those who like to exaggerate) to frivolous spending is only exposing his inability to understand simple economic concepts.

eagleye13 wrote:

BTW; it can't be paid back!!!

Well then... How did Trump decrease the debt by $12 billion? Let's see debt forgiveness? Nah... that would have been headline news. I know! Bankruptcy..! after all our so-called president has a long history of being bailed out by the government, he claimed bankruptcy six times already! ...Nah, THAT would have been MAJOR news... Well, I guess that leaves us with the only two other possibilities... SuperDave is either a liar or too stupid to see the lie.

Anyway, the debt CAN actually be paid back... with taxes. That's the ONLY way to pay back the debt. The Tea Party (quite possibly the stupidest collection of morons the world has ever seen) seems to think that we can cut the debt down by not spending. When is the last time you saw your credit debt actually decrease as a result of not spending? It just doesn't work that way. If I borrow $10 from you on Tuesday and don't spend any money on Wednesday, don't I still owe you $10 on Thursday morning?

eagleye13 wrote:

All the "debt" is created by our government borrowing more from the FED Reserve Bankers, with interest attached.
Never ending "debt" for the tax payers. Such a deal.

Exactly... and almost ALL of that money was borrowed by Republicans and I have yet to see Trump make ANY reference to that problem. So how you think Trump is going to fix all this is beyond me.

straightUp Loc: California

Super Dave wrote:

Uhhh.

News Flash... Coal miners are only looking for government to get out of the way.

And yet there they are, asking the president to intervene... cheering the fatty at the podium as he promises the miners will get their jobs back. Yeah, they really want the government out the way.

Super Dave wrote:

Even with liberal government interference, coal accounts for about 1/3 of America's electricity.

Correct, the current ratio is 33%... Just two years ago it was 35%. Meanwhile, natural gas accounts for another 33% but the trend for natural gas is upward not downward like it is for coal. You can blame "liberal intervention" all you want but the truth is market demand is a far greater influence and the demand for coal is decreasing. You know how much electricity in my state (the most populous state in the union) gets from coal? None.

PeterS is 100% correct... the coal miners need to think about learning how to do something else. There will be a demand for coal for a long time yet because of its other uses, such as manufacturing steel. But the demand is falling fast, especially from energy producers, and there's nothing fat-ass can do about it.

On the plus side, I've noticed that several technology companies from my state have started training programs for the children of coal miners to introduce them to high-tech vocations. So that's a good thing right?

Skkyeviolet

Agreed!

straightUp wrote:

Trump already has a well-known reputation for taki... (show quote)

straightUp Loc: California

moldyoldy wrote:

Donald Trump Says He'll Bring Back Coal. Here's Why He Can't
Justin Worland
Nov 14, 2016

President-elect Donald Trump promised repeatedly throughout his campaign that he would revive the coal industry, billing himself as the “last shot for the miners.” And in traditional mining areas—think parts of West Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania—Trump defeated rival Hillary Clinton by large margins. But policymakers on both sides of the aisle say they cannot envision any way for Trump to save the coal industry, whose decline they attribute as much to market forces as Obama-era regulation.
Just a decade ago coal provided half of the energy used for power generation in the U.S., but fracking has driven a boom in the country's supply of natural gas and made it a cheaper alternative in most cases. And, with cost in mind, utility companies have made the switch even in places without regulation pushing them to do so. Last year, natural gas and coal-fired power plants each provided about a third of the country's power supply, according to an Energy Information Administration (EIA) report. Total coal production in U.S. mines declined to about 900 millions last year, only three-quarters of production in 2008, according to EIA data.
Coal also struggles to compete with renewable energy sources like wind and solar in locations where those resources are abundant. The cost of solar panels in particular has declined precipitously thanks to technology advances in recent years. Even conservative states like Texas and Oklahoma have become fast adopters of widely available wind energy.
Read More: Donald Trump’s Victory Could Mean Disaster for the Planet
"Trump is not going to bring all the coal jobs back," says Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University. "There isn't a lot of investment activity because in some cases it looks more economically attractive for firms to invest in cleaner technologies."
Beyond the competition jobs in the coal industry have also disappeared in recent decades as a result of mechanization that began in the 1980s. Approximately 50,000 coal-related jobs have been lost between 2008 and 2012, according to a study from last year. Even if coal production increased, those jobs would not return.
Trump has offered few clues to how he might meet his promise revive coal, but his plan seems to rest largely on gutting environmental regulations, particularly President Obama's Clean Power Plan. That regulation—issued through the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)—requires states to come up with plans to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions from the power sector. Scrapping the plan will definitely slow the decline of coal but it will not be enough to stop it entirely and it certainly cannot bring back the jobs that have already disappeared, experts say.
Read More: Power from Natural Gas Expected to Reach a Record High Despite Climate Concerns
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the GOP-led Congress would draft new laws to end what he described as the "war on coal," but acknowledged that Trump's promises may be difficult to meet. “We are going to be presenting to the new president a variety of options that could end this assault,” he said, according to comments reported by the Lexington Morning Herald. “Whether that immediately brings business back is hard to tell because it’s a private sector activity.”
Many supporters of environmental regulations say that the federal government should spend to help coal-producing areas transition to jobs in clean technology, but Republicans have thus far remained skeptical of such proposals.
“If we’re concerned about coal country, and I am, we have to do a lot more than just yell,” Van Jones, an environmental activist who served as President Obama’s first-term green jobs czar, said during the campaign. “At some point we have to accept the fact that the clean energy companies are growing faster than everything else.”

http://time.com/4570070/donald-trump-coal-jobs/

Donald Trump Says He'll Bring Back Coal. Here's Wh... (show quote)

Just saw this... Yeah, in light of all this plain-sight evidence you wouldn't think people could be so confused. Maybe it's just denial for the sake of ideology, who knows? It's just sad to see people like Trump totally using these people. He gets them all amped up promising jobs when he knows he can't deliver the promise, just so he can get their votes. So sad. So very, very sad.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

straightUp wrote:

Just saw this... Yeah, in light of all this plain-sight evidence you wouldn't think people could be so confused. Maybe it's just denial for the sake of ideology, who knows? It's just sad to see people like Trump totally using these people. He gets them all amped up promising jobs when he knows he can't deliver the promise, just so he can get their votes. So sad. So very, very sad.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/20/barack-obama-donald-trump-country-moodys/

The so called articles that provide you with your facts and figures are as full of holes as your brain is..."projected debt"?????? BULL SHIT! Lets call it the way it is...Obama spent more money than any other single president ever...this mumbo jumbo that axlerod or anyone else tosses around about "projected debt" is as much a way as sweeping what Obama spent under the rug as any other attempted magic show.

Clearly you are duped by your fake news sites, fact checking from Clinton inspired sources, and democratic bias owned media outlets. Snopes? Fact Check dot com all of those are little to no difference than C linton N ews N etwork, and Axlerod or any of the other slicksters...they sat and found a snazzy way to account for the horror spending Obama did while he was in office, and came up with this BS of "projected debt". Factually runing the books backwards to see what was or was not spent by any other President...Obama out spent all of them added since Washington our First President.

Now we know a fudgepacker like you will attempt to smooth talk all lovey dovey as if you are a wanna be Thurston Howell the third...but no...you are merely a puss sack on humanity...period.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

straightUp wrote:

Just saw this... Yeah, in light of all this plain-sight evidence you wouldn't think people could be so confused. Maybe it's just denial for the sake of ideology, who knows? It's just sad to see people like Trump totally using these people. He gets them all amped up promising jobs when he knows he can't deliver the promise, just so he can get their votes. So sad. So very, very sad.

Oh yeah..shovel ready jobs? What a dildo you are. Clueless. You dip sticks love to go with what Obama released about the job market and new jobs every single time he had a report he claimed a lot of new jobs...but..where do you and your fellow dip sticks ever take in account for the MILLIONS of jobs that are no longer around? Ever do any searches on how many companies FOLDED up and took down all those jobs? No you did not...you are just another drip about ready to hit the ground...forever gone in the crack!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

JFlorio wrote:

Van Jones. The x felon and truther. Great source. He may be less qualified than you to render an opinion.

Well, he is a self-proclaimed 'Radical Communist'.... Or at least he was... In the left, that makes him qualified to teach.

Skkyeviolet

I don't think he's capable of caring about anyone except himself. Most sociopaths can't. I don't get understand why anyone would keep listening when all he does is tell obvious lies.

straightUp wrote:

Just saw this... Yeah, in light of all this plain-sight evidence you wouldn't think people could be so confused. Maybe it's just denial for the sake of ideology, who knows? It's just sad to see people like Trump totally using these people. He gets them all amped up promising jobs when he knows he can't deliver the promise, just so he can get their votes. So sad. So very, very sad.

3jack

America Only wrote:

http://fortune.com/2017/01/20/barack-obama-donald-... (show quote)

Only congress can spend government money. Last I knew, republicans were in charge of both houses of congress.....dumbass.

3jack

America Only wrote:

Oh yeah..shovel ready jobs? What a dildo you are.... (show quote)

Your ill informed rants about jobs only show the depth of your stupidity. Jobs disappear because new technologies and methods are developed to reduce manpower. Case in point...coal mining is still productive in this country, but how it's harvested has changed. A single man operating one large earth mover to remove the tops of coal mines, where the coal is harvested from above using other giant machines, replaces those 50 humans that once dug and entered tunnels to remove the product. Contrary to Trump's lies, those jobs are not coming back. Companies fold because their business models fail to change with time, customs and needs. You can't stay in business if you can't sell your product, and you can't sell your product if you don't adjust the ways you market the product.....simple. Sears and K Mart will be the next big ones to bite the dust.

son of witless

straightUp wrote:

Correct, the current ratio is 33%... Just two year... (show quote)

How about we declare war on your occupation and then make excuses for other reasons for you to lose your job?