Stephen Hawking got it wrong.
Feb 17, 2017 15:03:02 #
Richard Rowland wrote:
Well, you had me hooked till I came to the part," super creation." Man is the worst of the creations, in fact, I have to chuckle every time I hear those words uddered, "Man is in the image of God". You've got to be kidding! This two-legged, upright walking fool personifies lucifer, rather than God. There isn't on thing on this planet that you describe as beauty and perfection, that wouldn't fare better if mankind didn't exist. Nice try, though.
Idiot. I'd explain, but why even bother? You never listen. But I'll give a try. If we are discussing God, then there is only one source of knowledge we can use. Scripture. Scripture tells us that man was created in the image of God. That doesn't mean a physical image, BTW. Google it, if you're interested. We were created perfect. Then we screwed it up by sinning against God.
Also, let's stick to the topic at hand. The fact that Hawking got it wrong. He claims that the universe exists because of gravity. That begs the question. Gravity is a function of mass. No universe, no mass, no gravity. How can gravity exist before the universe did? Would you care to enlighten us?
Feb 17, 2017 15:12:41 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
God is not absent. He works in the lives of millions of people every day. In fact, your very freedom is a result of men who revered the Creator, and formed a system of government that has been a shining beacon to the world for over 200 years. Not so much, lately, but America is the result of the efforts of men who believed in God. Without them, and without God, our culture would not even exist.
God is not absent. He works in the lives of millions of people every day. In fact, your very freedom is a result of men who revered the Creator, and formed a system of government that has been a shining beacon to the world for over 200 years. Not so much, lately, but America is the result of the efforts of men who believed in God. Without them, and without God, our culture would not even exist.
Taking into account that numerous other cultures do exist and have existed, it's a fair bet that our culture would be different but still in existence with or without God. My freedom is a result of men who fought and some who died for that freedom, me included. Your right to worship your God is our gift to you, not the other way around.
Feb 17, 2017 15:15:05 #
JW wrote:
Taking into account that numerous other cultures do exist and have existed, it's a fair bet that our culture would be different but still in existence with or without God. My freedom is a result of men who fought and some who died for that freedom, me included. Your right to worship your God is our gift to you, not the other way around.
Wrong. Our right to worship God is given to us by our Constitution. A Constitution that was written, in part, by men of God.
Feb 17, 2017 15:24:03 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Wrong. Our right to worship God is given to us by our Constitution. A Constitution that was written, in part, by men of God.
Words on paper are nice but bullets on battlefields create reality.
Feb 17, 2017 15:30:11 #
JW wrote:
Words on paper are nice but bullets on battlefields create reality.
Words on paper create the reality. Bullets on the battlefield defend it.
Feb 17, 2017 15:32:37 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Words on paper create the reality. Bullets on the battlefield defend it.
Words on paper create documents. Actions create reality.
Feb 17, 2017 15:48:23 #
JW wrote:
Words on paper create documents. Actions create reality.
Answer me this. Without the Bill of rights, would we still have the right to worship? Reality begin with ideas. Those ideas are defended with blood.
Feb 17, 2017 16:00:06 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Answer me this. Without the Bill of rights, would we still have the right to worship? Reality begin with ideas. Those ideas are defended with blood.
Most of the world has no Bill of Rights. They have the right to worship. They always have had. Bullets have made their choice realized.
Feb 17, 2017 16:25:59 #
JW wrote:
Most of the world has no Bill of Rights. They have the right to worship. They always have had. Bullets have made their choice realized.
Whatever. How about getting back on topic, and explaining how the universe created itself out of nothing?
Feb 17, 2017 16:38:38 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Idiot. I'd explain, but why even bother? You never... (show quote)
Well, first of all, you showed your colors with your opening. Did I resort to calling you names? Did I infer anything about you at all? And how do you know, I never listen? Have we had a conversation? I was merely expressing my opinion. Plus, I'm not attempting to argue Hawkins point. However, I will take this opportunity to inquire your scientific standing to argue with Hawkins position?
Feb 17, 2017 17:00:21 #
Richard Rowland wrote:
Well, first of all, you showed your colors with your opening. Did I resort to calling you names? Did I infer anything about you at all? And how do you know, I never listen? Have we had a conversation? I was merely expressing my opinion. Plus, I'm not attempting to argue Hawkins point. However, I will take this opportunity to inquire your scientific standing to argue with Hawkins position?
OK. Sorry for the insult. I'm not a physicist, but I can read what they publish and understand it. I know that gravity requires mass. Without a universe, that contains mass, how can gravity exist. It kinda like putting the cart before the horse, isn't it?
Feb 17, 2017 17:12:18 #
When all else fails to counter floundering self=serving statements one can always find an appropriate quote from the writing of Shakespeare to apply to the previous pseudo-scientific comments:
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
Feb 17, 2017 17:17:05 #
MalG wrote:
When all else fails to counter floundering self=serving statements one can always find an appropriate quote from the writing of Shakespeare to apply to the previous pseudo-scientific comments:
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
I asked for an explanation for how gravity could exist before the universe did. Hawking says gravity created the universe. Could someone please explain this? BTW, this is a theory. Actually, it should be called a hypothesis, since there is no way prove or disprove it, per the scientific method. So let's hear this explanation. Anyone?
Feb 17, 2017 17:39:29 #
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Whatever. How about getting back on topic, and explaining how the universe created itself out of nothing?
I never said it created itself out of nothing, at least not as nothing is defined. I don't think it could. As for gravity, no one knows what it is. It's like electricity, we know what it does but have no idea what it is.
That doesn't in any way prove God must be part of the picture. It doesn't exclude God either.
Feb 17, 2017 18:13:12 #
JW wrote:
I never said it created itself out of nothing, at least not as nothing is defined. I don't think it could. As for gravity, no one knows what it is. It's like electricity, we know what it does but have no idea what it is.
That doesn't in any way prove God must be part of the picture. It doesn't exclude God either.
That doesn't in any way prove God must be part of the picture. It doesn't exclude God either.
It is a scientific fact, or as close as it gets, that nothing physical can create itself. Gravity cannot exist without mass. Mass is composed of matter, which cannot create itself. Sure, matter is composed of energy, which some scientists claim has always existed. That runs into some other problems, like why it existed in the first place.
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