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Jan 31, 2017 20:29:50   #
Carol Kelly
 
plainlogic wrote:
It was tongue in cheek, the progressives I feel have that idea. Mainly the idea of using them, both legal and illegal to cast the winning votes to maintain the liberal agenda. We do know, like Cailf. issuing drivers licenses to these people with little or no vetting, so it's safe to assume: drivers license = voter registration=progressive votes. wadya think?


That's how Hillary got so any popular votes.

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Jan 31, 2017 21:49:40   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Ginger,

If we had a time machine or some liberal magic, then we could change what happened a few hundred or perhaps a few thousand years ago. But, sadly we do not have such and must deal with our current situation. We, as Americans, worked with the indigenous population, and they have nations that are sovereign. Perhaps not the optimum situation, but we enjoy peace. They do not have an illegal influx of individuals, simply because they refuse to support them through their own laws, infrastructure, or aid programs. They expel them. Problem solved. As for the pipeline, it is actually being routed around the area that was protested. And should you care, there is another thread that is currently being discussed on OPP about that pipeline. This thread is about immigrants.
Ginger, br br If we had a time machine or some li... (show quote)


To digress briefly, Ginger seems completely unaware of the fact that there are no "Native Americans" in the sense that no one originated here. The earliest remains of ancient Indians show them to be of Central Asian ancestry.
The Iroquois in the Northeast obtained "their" land by conquering the original inhabitants. The Lakota obtained theirs by stealing it from the Pawnee and Crow. The Navajo and Apache decimated the original inhabitants of "their" land.
Further South, the Aztecs did the same on a much larger scale. Ditto for the Incas in South America. Anyone holding up pre-Columbian North and South America as an example of peaceful co-existence is sadly misinformed. There is probably not 20 acres of land in the world with any tactical or strategic value that has not been conquered several times.

Okay, NOW back to the subject.

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Jan 31, 2017 22:02:18   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You are so very right... I was looking at this too narrowly. I ordinarily think and then type, today I woke up having a senior moment and it has lasted the entire day. Thank you for this post and I promise to be more focused tomorrow (or at least I hope, living a life in senior moments is nothing to look forward to).


Loki wrote:
To digress briefly, Ginger seems completely unaware of the fact that there are no "Native Americans" in the sense that no one originated here. The earliest remains of ancient Indians show them to be of Central Asian ancestry.
The Iroquois in the Northeast obtained "their" land by conquering the original inhabitants. The Lakota obtained theirs by stealing it from the Pawnee and Crow. The Navajo and Apache decimated the original inhabitants of "their" land.
Further South, the Aztecs did the same on a much larger scale. Ditto for the Incas in South America. Anyone holding up pre-Columbian North and South America as an example of peaceful co-existence is sadly misinformed. There is probably not 20 acres of land in the world with any tactical or strategic value that has not been conquered several times.

Okay, NOW back to the subject.
To digress briefly, Ginger seems completely unawar... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2017 02:07:41   #
humanator
 
Loki wrote:
To digress briefly, Ginger seems completely unaware of the fact that there are no "Native Americans" in the sense that no one originated here. The earliest remains of ancient Indians show them to be of Central Asian ancestry.
The Iroquois in the Northeast obtained "their" land by conquering the original inhabitants. The Lakota obtained theirs by stealing it from the Pawnee and Crow. The Navajo and Apache decimated the original inhabitants of "their" land.
Further South, the Aztecs did the same on a much larger scale. Ditto for the Incas in South America. Anyone holding up pre-Columbian North and South America as an example of peaceful co-existence is sadly misinformed. There is probably not 20 acres of land in the world with any tactical or strategic value that has not been conquered several times.

Okay, NOW back to the subject.
To digress briefly, Ginger seems completely unawar... (show quote)


If I get the Bible right the only "natives" of anyplace ever on earth are Adam and Eve, some property deal by God, it is believed, between the Tigris and Euphrates. Yes, and their family, of course. (But where was Cain headed visiting other cities?) "No one originated" anywhere but there. Evolutionist claim differently. The only true natives on earth are from some part of Africa, most likely the Ethiopian region, that migrated as the first humans to Europe not to be natives of the area, if I am correctly following your thought, Loki, but simply refugees. All the population movements of various continents and islands did not produce a single "native," no matter how long ago because they did not originate there. My question is what makes a native to any region? It would seem to me that the first humans to settle in any region are "natives." Maybe I am misunderstanding why disclaiming the existence of "Native Americans" because they probably originated in Central Asia is important or meaningful in some way.

I am picking this up here on your comment only, Loki. Reading further, about all the "fussin' and fightin' my friend" by the "natives," it seems that I may have missed the point.

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Feb 1, 2017 10:26:01   #
jimandsue2play
 
They are here to destroy our way of life and Christianity .

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Feb 1, 2017 10:47:47   #
georgejc Loc: discovery bay, california
 
Humanator is on the money.
Any anthropologist or sociologist will tell you that if you pick any geographical area on the planet, there will be no evidence of human life after the last ice age, which was approximately 13,000 years ago, with it suddenly appearing several thousand years (5,000 to 8,000) later. The only exception, and there are two variants of this. Either where Lucy was found (Australopiticus) in Ethiopia near Hadar, or the Bible is right, and it originated in the Middle East near Canaan. Both claims in the same general area.
As an interesting adjunct to this is the fact that Native Americans are not indigenous people either. Recent discoveries in North America have been the remains of Caucasians over 10,000 years old, predating the arrival of those we refer to as American Indians. Where did they come from? We have not a clue.

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Feb 1, 2017 11:21:07   #
Carol Kelly
 
jimandsue2play wrote:
They are here to destroy our way of life and Christianity .


Amen to that. I may be alone in this, but I want them out of here before we become Sweden or Germany of France, England, Scotland, Italy, Belgium, etc. Sweden has rewritten their Constitution, and made Jesus Christ our Redeemer a lesser saint. Paint them gone. I've
said this before, and I'm saying it again, they are after a world Caliphate. We cannot allow this to happen.

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Feb 1, 2017 11:23:17   #
Carol Kelly
 
georgejc wrote:
Humanator is on the money.
Any anthropologist or sociologist will tell you that if you pick any geographical area on the planet, there will be no evidence of human life after the last ice age, which was approximately 13,000 years ago, with it suddenly appearing several thousand years (5,000 to 8,000) later. The only exception, and there are two variants of this. Either where Lucy was found (Australopiticus) in Ethiopia near Hadar, or the Bible is right, and it originated in the Middle East near Canaan. Both claims in the same general area.
As an interesting adjunct to this is the fact that Native Americans are not indigenous people either. Recent discoveries in North America have been the remains of Caucasians over 10,000 years old, predating the arrival of those we refer to as American Indians. Where did they come from? We have not a clue.
Humanator is on the money. br Any anthropologist o... (show quote)


Maybe Norway?

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Feb 1, 2017 11:38:06   #
GmanTerry
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Didn't know there were any dumb Marines!


Thank you Carol, I'll take a compliment wherever I can find one. :

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Feb 1, 2017 14:55:59   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
JFlorio wrote:
I am not saying we need or don't need immigrant's. I am curious to know what you think. The pros and cons of immigration. Could be an interesting topic.

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I think that Stefan Molyneux does a great job answering this question, or at least focusing the problem that exists today with the immigrants coming from the middle east. https://youtu.be/6b0bIEMsHwM

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Feb 1, 2017 16:01:45   #
libsthinkwe'restupid
 
As I see it, the key issues with immigration are: 1. Insure they mean is no harm, 2. Insure they will somehow benefit the US, not just be a drag on our welfare systems, etc, or take jobs away from Americans, 3. Insure that they are going to assimilate into our culture, as opposed to being hung up on forcing us into Sharia law. I don't have anything against Muslims, however, Sharia law just doesn't fit into our culture and never will. If people don't want to live according to our Constitution and way of life, then they shouldn't come here. Nuff said!

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Feb 1, 2017 16:33:08   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
libsthinkwe'restupid wrote:
As I see it, the key issues with immigration are: 1. Insure they mean is no harm, 2. Insure they will somehow benefit the US, not just be a drag on our welfare systems, etc, or take jobs away from Americans, 3. Insure that they are going to assimilate into our culture, as opposed to being hung up on forcing us into Sharia law. I don't have anything against Muslims, however, Sharia law just doesn't fit into our culture and never will. If people don't want to live according to our Constitution and way of life, then they shouldn't come here. Nuff said!
As I see it, the key issues with immigration are: ... (show quote)

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Insure ???

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Feb 1, 2017 18:09:08   #
georgejc Loc: discovery bay, california
 
A little story applies here:
Back in the days of Henry Ford, most immigrants were auto workers. Top pay of the day was about $1. Ford made his workers a deal. 1. They would learn the English Language and use it exclusively, 2. They would become citizens, 3. They would leave the old ways they had come from. Their culture would stay where it was, and 4. they would buy a suit and take their children to church on Sundays.

In return he would double their salaries to $2. a day. Needless to say, they went for it. The culture stayed where it was. They became citizens and spoke only English. And, they raised their children to be only God fearing Jews or Christians.

Somewhere we went wrong when we allowed foreign cultures to evolve in the country. That is the price you pay when you are too politically correct for the country's good. You can be toooooooooooo sensitive to other peoples sensitivities. If they want to keep what they had, they should have stayed where they were. Your parents and grandparents understood that and accepted it and on top of everything else, they were legal immigrants. They understood that they were proud to be Americans, and were happy to free themselves from the old ways. What we are getting today is no comparison.
Semper Fi

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Feb 1, 2017 18:33:21   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
No cultural colonization within our borders!

libsthinkwe'restupid wrote:
As I see it, the key issues with immigration are: 1. Insure they mean is no harm, 2. Insure they will somehow benefit the US, not just be a drag on our welfare systems, etc, or take jobs away from Americans, 3. Insure that they are going to assimilate into our culture, as opposed to being hung up on forcing us into Sharia law. I don't have anything against Muslims, however, Sharia law just doesn't fit into our culture and never will. If people don't want to live according to our Constitution and way of life, then they shouldn't come here. Nuff said!
As I see it, the key issues with immigration are: ... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2017 18:37:52   #
Carol Kelly
 
georgejc wrote:
A little story applies here:
Back in the days of Henry Ford, most immigrants were auto workers. Top pay of the day was about $1. Ford made his workers a deal. 1. They would learn the English Language and use it exclusively, 2. They would become citizens, 3. They would leave the old ways they had come from. Their culture would stay where it was, and 4. they would buy a suit and take their children to church on Sundays.

In return he would double their salaries to $2. a day. Needless to say, they went for it. The culture stayed where it was. They became citizens and spoke only English. And, they raised their children to be only God fearing Jews or Christians.

Somewhere we went wrong when we allowed foreign cultures to evolve in the country. That is the price you pay when you are too politically correct for the country's good. You can be toooooooooooo sensitive to other peoples sensitivities. If they want to keep what they had, they should have stayed where they were. Your parents and grandparents understood that and accepted it and on top of everything else, they were legal immigrants. They understood that they were proud to be Americans, and were happy to free themselves from the old ways. What we are getting today is no comparison.
Semper Fi
A little story applies here: br Back in the days o... (show quote)


There's nothing wrong with being pleased with your roots-Italian, French, Scots, English,
if you happen to know, but now you are American and should be proud enough to uphold the laws and the Constitution and protect ourselves and each other from those who would take that away from us. No Mexican flags on the street or any other flags, but for God's
sake respect and be proud of the American flag. Don't drag it in the ground, stomp on it or burn it. Please. The American soldiers, marines and sailors and airmen who died for that flag are due your appreciation. Also they who served and came home.

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