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Jan 27, 2017 11:14:32   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
Rover 42256 wrote:
I don't think there is a limit. What's bothersome is that he is rapidly firing off poorly thought-out executive orders that have not been carefully reviewed by lawyers, and he is doing this when Congress is in session. Some of these are worthless (TPP was already dead, yet he "removed us' from it - How does one remove themself from something they aren't in?). He signed an order to expedite the Dakota Pipeline, which goes through country where the Lakota Indians have had water rights by treaty. This is shale oil, the most difficult to clean up after. Americans will not benefit from this - it will go to the refineries and shipped overseas, assuming they manage to grab land by eminent domain. The 30+ full time jobs that will result for Americans will not justify this. This is wide quo pro - The parent company donated $100 O00 to the Trump campaign. Prior to the election, Trump was invested in both the pipeline and Phillips 66, who has an interest. When asked, inquirers stated he had sold the stock he owned in the parent company, but made no comment about ownership in Phillips. He plans to cut short the environmental study and allow the pipeline to make hurdles through regulations. Let me make this clear - The oil that is intended to run from ND to the mouth of the Mississippi is not intended for use in the United States, is a danger to the land and water, and the money, aside from the short period it will take to build and will need extra workers, and about 30 jobs, will go into the pockets of Big Oil, not us.
Thank you for posting.
Those were just two. Republicans repeatedly called Obama a dictator when he was forced as a last resort to use executive orders to progress. He was careful and took time to make sure his orders were legal. He signed fewer executive orders than any president in 120 years, and they were to get things done other than keep promises to big donors.
I don't think there is a limit. What's bothersome ... (show quote)

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Jan 27, 2017 11:21:36   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Have you ever seen a map of the USA that designates all the pipe lines being used to transport oil and other carbon based fuels across the entire USA, yet none are being declared that they will ruin our environment, and there are literally thousands of them, and when one sees that map, as I have, it makes people like you look like fools, who have nothing to do, so they take up false causes that are detrimental to the Americn people, our economy, and our country. We've used these pipelines for nearly a hundred years, yet we have survived and prospered because of it, and we will do the same in the future. These new pipelines are the most technology advanced and the most safest built to date. If you want to do something that you foolishly believe will save this country from terrible oil spills, try starting with the oldest pipelines and have them replaced with the new technologies and safeguards, and if you are successful at having 10 of them a year replaced with the new technologies and safeguards, you'll die long before you get 10% of the total number of them replaced with new pipelines, that are economy is and has been based upon. It seems people like you not only can't even live with reality, but don't even know what reality is.



Quakerwidow wrote:
Not just tribal water: the aquifer would be poisoned for all of us.

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Jan 27, 2017 11:24:43   #
teabag09
 
Actually Sparky H20 is more of a contributor to the earth retaining heat than C02.
straightUp wrote:
Yes, CO2 is a natural component of our atmosphere and plants convert the gas into oxygen, but there's a little something called balance. Too much CO2 is bad. It's pretty easy to visualize... beer is good... it's cold and tasty... But too much beer is bad... it makes people drunk. The reason why too much CO2 is bad is because it retains heat in the atmosphere and THAT is what causes global warming.

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Jan 27, 2017 11:28:29   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
You may be right, we can only speculate on what their motives are, but you can be sure that they are doing it, no matter how much they deny it to the public, so as to keep getting more customers, which increases the amounts they are allowed to charge advertisers, making them even more richer, and exposes why they falsely deny that they do censure people who have opposing views, ideas, policies, and agendas.



lindajoy wrote:
Why do they censor you Randy??
I've heard they censor, have trackers, sell your private info, virus' run plentiful, etc..
And that you can not delete your account, no Thank You.. Maybe the key words here are "Christian conservative"..

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Jan 27, 2017 12:56:28   #
Bshaw
 
It might help if congress would go ahead and confirm his cabinet so he could do government as it should be done; but maybe that is just a dream.😏

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Jan 27, 2017 12:58:22   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Rover 42256 wrote:
I don't think there is a limit. What's bothersome is that he is rapidly firing off poorly thought-out executive orders that have not been carefully reviewed by lawyers, and he is doing this when Congress is in session. Some of these are worthless (TPP was already dead, yet he "removed us' from it - How does one remove themself from something they aren't in?). He signed an order to expedite the Dakota Pipeline, which goes through country where the Lakota Indians have had water rights by treaty. This is shale oil, the most difficult to clean up after. Americans will not benefit from this - it will go to the refineries and shipped overseas, assuming they manage to grab land by eminent domain. The 30+ full time jobs that will result for Americans will not justify this. This is wide quo pro - The parent company donated $100 O00 to the Trump campaign. Prior to the election, Trump was invested in both the pipeline and Phillips 66, who has an interest. When asked, inquirers stated he had sold the stock he owned in the parent company, but made no comment about ownership in Phillips. He plans to cut short the environmental study and allow the pipeline to make hurdles through regulations. Let me make this clear - The oil that is intended to run from ND to the mouth of the Mississippi is not intended for use in the United States, is a danger to the land and water, and the money, aside from the short period it will take to build and will need extra workers, and about 30 jobs, will go into the pockets of Big Oil, not us.

Those were just two. Republicans repeatedly called Obama a dictator when he was forced as a last resort to use executive orders to progress. He was careful and took time to make sure his orders were legal. He signed fewer executive orders than any president in 120 years, and they were to get things done other than keep promises to big donors.
I don't think there is a limit. What's bothersome ... (show quote)


There are 3 types of Presidential actions. The Executive Order, which is numbered and included in the Congressional Record. Then there are Presidential memoranda, and Presidential Directives which all essentially carry the same weight as an EO, but are not a part of the Record. If you count all three, Obama's total comes to 2,066.
The Obama Administration has lost more SCOTUS cases than any in the last one hundred years, at least. Their record of wins is abysmal at about 44%, when compared with Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and W. Your Constitutional Scholar has hidden his miserable record by issuing most of his EOs in the form of Directives, and Memoranda.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/supreme_court/2017/01/the-obama-administrations-record-in-the-supreme-court-terrible.html

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/obama-has-lost-in-the-supreme-court-more-than-any-modern-president/

https://www.cato.org/blog/obamas-abysmal-record-supreme-court

Your boy had quite a record all right.

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Jan 27, 2017 13:15:53   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
straightUp wrote:
How the fuck do you figure that?


Isn't it about time you rested your huge filthy mouth?..

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Jan 27, 2017 14:19:50   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
You put negroes in chains and indians on reservations? No wonder you have such a guilt trip and are trying to lay it on the rest of us. Why is division such a bad thing? I don't know, because Eisenhower begun the end of it through ordering integration back in the 1950s in Little Rock, Arkansas. You are correct, it is happening today through the black people wanting there own places on college campuses, and decrying 'Black Lives Matter', while attacking white people for killing black people when FBI national statistics over the years show on average that 94% of black people killed in the USA are killed by other black people, leaving the other 6% of black people being killed by whites, Latinos, Asians, and native Americans, insinuating their demand that only blacks be allowed to kill other blacks, putting a seperation in killing also. But don't worry and don't cry, I'll attest that you are more compassionate than I, just quit blaming me for all these ills that you like to keep bringing up, please blame the ones that actually did the deeds.

By the way, did you know that it was the black people in Africa that actually put the chains on their brethern black people, and sold them in chains to the Arabs and Portgugese, who then sold them in chains to entrepreneurs in the main ports on the coasts of Africa, who then transported them around the world and sold them in chains again, to people in the USA, Central America, South America, the Caribbean island countries, and all over the world wherever they needed slave labor? So put your guilt on those who deserve it. Did you also know that right before the American Civil War that there were more black owned Plantations with black slaves than there were white owned plantations with black slaves, and the black slave owners treated their slaves much worse than the white slave owners, just the same way the killing of blacks today is being done. Did you also know that black people are only 13% of our population in the USA, but they commit 54% of the crimes?

Do you want to learn and know the history that you and many Americans are ignorant of? Try watching Dinesh Desouza's two movies, 'Obama's America' and 'Hillary's America', there are great history lessons in those movies, and the facts are all authenticated through references throughout the movies, and in the credits at the end of the movies. What is so great about his movies is that he does give historical references to all his claimed facts, but they don't agree with preconceived and indoctrinated ideas of what some claim is the truth, but gives actual historic referenced facts to what the truth realy is.



straightUp wrote:
Where was our moral compass when we were putting Negros in chains and Indians on reservations? And why is division such a bad thing? Is it not what happens when people stand up for themselves?

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Jan 27, 2017 14:23:59   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Randy131 wrote:
You put negroes in chains and indians on reservations? No wonder you have such a guilt trip and are trying to lay it on the rest of us. Why is division such a bad thing? I don't know, because Eisenhower begun the end of it through ordering integration back in the 1950s in Little Rock, Arkansas. You are correct, it is happening today through the black people wanting there own places on college campuses, and decrying 'Black Lives Matter', while attacking white people for killing black people when FBI national statistics over the years show on average that 94% of black people killed in the USA are killed by other black people, leaving the other 6% of black people being killed by whites, Latinos, Asians, and native Americans, insinuating their demand that only blacks be allowed to kill other blacks, putting a seperation in killing also. But don't worry and don't cry, I'll attest that you are more compassionate than I, just quit blaming me for all these ills that you like to keep bringing up, please blame the ones that actually did the deeds.

By the way, did you know that it was the black people in Africa that actually put the chains on their brethern black people, and sold them in chains to the Arabs and Portgugese, who then sold them in chains to entrepreneurs in the main ports on the coasts of Africa, who then transported them around the world and sold them in chains again, to people in the USA, Central America, South America, the Caribean countries, and all over the world wherever they needed slave labor? So put your guilt on those who deserve it. Did you also know that right before the American Civil War that there were more black owned Plantations with black slaves than there were white owned plantations with black slaves, and the black slave owners treated their slaves much worse than the white slave owners, just the same way the killing of blacks today is being done. Did you also know that black people are only 13% of our population in the USA, but they commit 54% of the crimes?
You put negroes in chains and indians on reservati... (show quote)


Correction: Black males 15-30 years of age are 4% of the population and commit nearly half the murders. They commit closer to 75% of all other violent crimes. Other blacks have a crime rate similar to whites. For that matter, black males in this age group in rural areas have about the same crime rate as whites. This crime wave is a product of urban black males in a certain age group.

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Jan 27, 2017 14:33:43   #
Carol Kelly
 
straightUp wrote:
Where was our moral compass when we were putting Negros in chains and Indians on reservations? And why is division such a bad thing? Is it not what happens when people stand up for themselves?


When did we put Negroes in chains? Chain gangs were criminals, black and white. A person in chains will not or cannot do their best work. Why feed, clothe and house a person who can't do his or her best work for you? In the North,they chained white women and children to their machinery do they couldn't leave their work and didn't feed,
House or clothe them. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Jan 27, 2017 14:35:00   #
Carol Kelly
 
straightUp wrote:
oh, how is it treasonous? seditious, maybe... treasonous? I don't think so.


So, you don't think so. I do!

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Jan 27, 2017 14:37:02   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
teabag09 wrote:
Actually Sparky H20 is more of a contributor to the earth retaining heat than C02.


The effect is 95 percent water vapor, under 4 percent CO2, and no matter how much CO2 we add to the atmosphere, the effect is logarithmic and we're near the maximum now, so 800 ppm 1200 ppm 1600 ppm, will not make a measurable difference in the Earth's atmosphere at the current CO2 380-400PPM. Climate is affected more by the Sun's energy cycles, the gravity of Saturn and Jupiter, axial tilt/precession, and cosmic rays than ANYTHING humanity is doing.

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Jan 27, 2017 14:38:14   #
Carol Kelly
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah... I keep forgetting you morons have no concept of long term development. I'm sure you've never read Churchill's proposal to convert the Royal Navy from steam to diesel, but his argument was up against a strong resistance because diesel fuel was so much more expensive than coal. Before that, coal was more expensive than wood. There was resistance to fossil fuels because when that industry was young it was the more expensive option. Visionaries like Rockerfeller and Churchill pushed against this resistance because they knew that these new sources of energy had the potential to become far more efficient and even cheaper in the long run if the industry is allowed to develop, which took decades, but eventually it happened.

Green energy also has the potential to be more efficient and cheaper than the previous mix of fossil fuels... *IF* the industry is allowed to develop. Of course that means cutting into the profit margins of the well-established carbon industry, so the resistance is well-funded and as long as the American people continue to be suckered into believing that excessive carbon emissions actually makes the environment better, there's no reason to think big oil can't tap dance through another 20-30 years of ever-more destructive methods for extracting carbon from ever-more difficult sources on the steep down-slope of peak carbon.
Yeah... I keep forgetting you morons have no conce... (show quote)


Guess we should have elected you President. You'd do the same good job that Obama did.

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Jan 27, 2017 14:45:22   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
My statistics were not about all the murders committed in the USA, but only the murders of black people in the USA, which 94% of them are committed by other black people, while 'Black Lives Matter' complains about white people killing black people, which leaves only 6% of black murders committed every year are committed by white people, and Latinos, and Asians, and Muslims, and native Americans, combined. It is a factual statistic that questions why 'Black Lives Matter' are blaming white people for killing black people, when in fact other black people are killing black people by 15 to 20 times more than white people are killing black people, and why doesn't 'Black Lives Matter' put any blame on themselves for killing their own brethern?



Loki wrote:
Correction: Black males 15-30 years of age are 4% of the population and commit nearly half the murders. They commit closer to 75% of all other violent crimes. Other blacks have a crime rate similar to whites. For that matter, black males in this age group in rural areas have about the same crime rate as whites. This crime wave is a product of urban black males in a certain age group.

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Jan 27, 2017 14:46:54   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Randy131 wrote:
My statistics were not about all the murders committed in the USA, but only the murders of black people in the USA, which 94% of them are committed by other black people, while 'Black Lives Matter' complains about white people killing black people, which leaves only 6% of black murders committed every year are committed by white people, and Latinos, and Asians, and Muslims, and native Americans, combined. It is a factual statistic that questions why 'Black Lives Matter' are blaming white people for killing black people, when in fact other black people are killing black people by 15 to 20 times more than white people are killing black people, and why doesn't 'Black Lives Matter' put any blame on themselves for killing their own brethern?
My statistics were not about all the murders commi... (show quote)


In this you are correct, year after year, about 94% of blacks are killed by other blacks. It stays about the same.

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