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Jan 10, 2017 04:37:43   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
I'm disappointed in you actually I am shocked.

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Shocked into silence...

Excellent.

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Jan 10, 2017 05:53:48   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Zemirah wrote:
Shocked into silence...

Excellent.


You have a bad habits of presuming and bullying others.

Just one piece of advice ..

Pray quit while you're ahead(?)...

I'm out of here.

Sue,

I apologise personally to you for the abuse you have received from the above captioned commentator.

I may have disagreed with you myself but I don't back or support any of the above persons claims although I made that mistake in the very recent past!

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Jan 10, 2017 08:36:24   #
Morgan
 
susanblange wrote:
Jarrett Lawrence Emanuel was born on April 4, 1984. This is the exact date given on page 6 of George Orwell's novel, 1984. His mother, Vicki lived and worked at the Jefferson hotel while she was pregnant with him, until he was born. His parents were separated at the time, and in the process of getting divorced. Vicki kept her marital name and also named her son Emanuel. Jarrett is Joshua in Hebrew, the same as Jesus in Greek, and it means "Lord is salvation". Jarrett was raised in the Christian faith.
Jarrett Lawrence Emanuel was born on April 4, 1984... (show quote)


What you've stated here, is proof of nothing, there are many born with holy names, Jesus is used quite frequently I believe many in the Mexican culture. It being in Orwell's book may only mean he's read some of the theory's you have and used it, again for me not a validation. This in no way an offense, just saying I don't concur with you analogy.

Just as I don't believe Jesus or Adam to be Satin, but enjoy exchanging with you, some of what you've written I see more metaphorically interesting to consider.

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Jan 10, 2017 08:56:55   #
Morgan
 
Zemirah wrote:
These are the words of Jesus that have been cut into splintered partial sentences???? To what end?

Matthew 24:24: ¨For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.


24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’


24:31: And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds,from one end of the heavens to the other.…


There are thousands of books written by devout, sincere Christians arguing in favor of either pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.

Very few have changed their mind, based on someone elses opinion, after seriously studying the scriptures for themselves, and very few ever will.

Most intelligent individuals, do, however, read the entire sentences, paragraphs, chapters...

Your opinion is your own.

They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18
These are the words of Jesus that have been cut in... (show quote)


With your last quote 44:18 My question would be why? Answer this for me if you can.Why would God shut the very eyes that should be opened,and why would he close anyone's heart so that they cannot understand.

For me these are not the teaching of God or Jesus.

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Jan 10, 2017 11:26:59   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Zemirah wrote:
The claim that God´s Word copies paganism is one of Satan´s most common lies.

I have in my personal home library over 6,000 books on the history of the earth, the civilizations of man and the history of religion.

I studied these lies and claims about pagan writings in great detail and rejected them over thirty five years ago.

You, madam, are a late study. -

For your insulting language is far less than godly, from you, who has claimed to live a perfect sinless life - as you have claimed in one of your pages under this topic.

God´s Word says that he who says he is without sin is a liar.

It is NOT possible to have a serious or civil discourse with someone such as yourself, who falsely claims to be a prophet of God, while repeatedly contradicting and mindlessly twisting His Sacred Written Scriptures.

God, the Holy Spirit NEVER contradicts His own previously revealed Word, NOT in private revelations, to you, or to anyone else.

I have lived continually in the light of God´s revealed Word as a light to my path, not perfectly and never without sinning, but always knowing that as a believer and follower of Jesus Christ, I am eternally forgiven.

God sees when he looks at me or any other follower of Jesus the Christ, the acceptable and protective covering provided by Jesus´ shed blood on Calvary. It is finished.

There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven by which you may be saved.

Your Astrological reference to Libra and the Messiah displays staggering spiritual blindness.

In the book of Genesis, worship of the stars and planets began as rebellion against God with Nimrod and the Tower of Babel four generations after Noah.

God denounces such false Astrological beliefs repeatedly throughout the Jewish Scriptures, yet you profess belief in Astrological symbols.

This is NOT of God.
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I never claimed to be perfect, there is iniquity in my youth. Psalm 119:96. "I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad". I am holy now, and Israel will also be holy. Exodus 19:6 "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation..." I also do not worship the stars and planets, I worship the God of Israel only. My reference to Libra was mainly to illustrate the time of year when the Messiah was supposed to be born. The sign of Libra is the scales of justice and God is the Judge of all flesh. I do not observe astrology as far as prognostication goes. Only God knows the future.

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Jan 10, 2017 11:27:55   #
Morgan
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
We were talking about feeling good vs not feeling good.

So I was contrasting death with that condition as a contrast in order to put things back into proper perspective.

In other words, sometimes as a minister or church leader they may be doing their followers a disservice if they don't challenge them. Or worse yet compromise in order to keep or increase membership, increase church collection size, etc.

I confess that "feel good religion" may have been a bad choice of words on my part. The above is actually closer to what I meant.

The "feel good" anology was my awkward way of saying if church members are morally drifting it is one of the ministry's duties to correct or warn least the blood would be on their own hands as well as the transgressors well being.

Does that make sense?

Incidentally that is one reason I could never be a minister since that is a very terrible and awesome responsibility.
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Yes, that now makes perfect sense, and with that said, I happen to disagree with you, I think you would've made and still could be, an excellent minister. You seem to have a real compassion to reach out to others with human compassion and brotherly love, that directed by an open heart of good intention to help and guide. Also while having the capacity to be patient to listen to others perspectives. You sell yourself short my friend the ministries need more people as yourself, rather than the ...well I'll stop there. What I see stopping you is your own fear that you won't live up to it. Knowing your own virtues and faults, is a strength and only keeps you human and a person of the people. I am sure if you spoke to any clergyman who had been doing it for years, he would also tell you he's learned along the way, I mean isn't that what life is all about anyway. I believe we are here to deepen the knowledge of our soul. We strive through every plateau to raise ourselves up...yes?

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Jan 10, 2017 11:30:34   #
Morgan
 
Zemirah wrote:
Shocked into silence...

Excellent.


If this was your intention...the shame is on you sir...

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Jan 10, 2017 11:46:03   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Morgan wrote:
Yes, that now makes perfect sense, and with that said, I happen to disagree with you, I think you would've made and still could be, an excellent minister. You seem to have a real compassion to reach out to others with human compassion and brotherly love, that directed by an open heart of good intention to help and guide. Also while having the capacity to be patient to listen to others perspectives. You sell yourself short my friend the ministries need more people as yourself, rather than the ...well I'll stop there. What I see stopping you is your own fear that you won't live up to it. Knowing your own virtues and faults, is a strength and only keeps you human and a person of the people. I am sure if you spoke to any clergyman who had been doing it for years, he would also tell you he's learned along the way, I mean isn't that what life is all about anyway. I believe we are here to deepen the knowledge of our soul. We strive through every plateau to raise ourselves up...yes?
Yes, that now makes perfect sense, and with that s... (show quote)


Thank you that not only made me feel good but great. No pun intended. May be I'll have to reach out and dare to stretch myself.

Iron sharpens iron even if the Truth hurts from time to time and maybe especially when it hurts. There are some excellent sparing partners on this Web none perfect but all have something to offer each in his or her own special way.

God is in all of this I am convicted. Even those that might tick me off. Maybe it's just the ticking off part I need to abandon or lose.

That cursed aura of ego or deadly self importance!

Thank you and God bless you!

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Jan 10, 2017 12:01:52   #
Morgan
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Thank you that not only made me feel good but great. No pun intended. May be I'll have to reach out and dare to stretch myself.

Iron sharpens iron even if the Truth hurts from time to time and maybe especially when it hurts. There are some excellent sparing partners on this Web none perfect but all have something to offer each in his or her own special way.

God is in all of this I am convicted. Even those that might tick me off. Maybe it's just the ticking off part I need to abandon or lose.

That cursed aura of ego or deadly self importance!

Thank you and God bless you!
Thank you that not only made me feel good but grea... (show quote)



You're right about that ego, it is a specially difficult with sensitive individuals it's a virtue to make one more empathetic towards people it also plays on our own emotions, stepping back is something I am in constant practice of, especially on OPP! What a great practice place. , and stretching is a good thing

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Jan 10, 2017 15:52:04   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Morgan wrote:
If this was your intention...the shame is on you sir...


Morgan,

FYI

It's Ma'am not Sir

I made that mistake untentionally the first time I addressed her also!

Best regards,

Dave

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Jan 10, 2017 19:15:33   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Morgan wrote:
You're right about that ego, it is a specially difficult with sensitive individuals it's a virtue to make one more empathetic towards people it also plays on our own emotions, stepping back is something I am in constant practice of, especially on OPP! What a great practice place. , and stretching is a good thing
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Speaking about stretching a lot of what Sue has been saying is pretty much agreeing with what the following site is saying and is making a lot of sense. When I get done reviewing I already am going to have to eat crow and apologize, neat stuff:

www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?P=2556

Check it out!

It reminds me of a favorite saying I came up with when I was younger as a lonely boy LOL:

"You can learn more about life and spiritual growth at a house of mourning then at a house of party and celebration."

It actually comes very close to merging my Christian worldview with her faith with only apparent contradictions to ponder: and is in no way that much different than what she attempted to share earlier with us clowns.

Again check it out. I saved it to my desktop.😎😎😎😇😇😇

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Jan 11, 2017 13:22:10   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Speaking about stretching a lot of what Sue has been saying is pretty much agreeing with what the following site is saying and is making a lot of sense. When I get done reviewing I already am going to have to eat crow and apologize, neat stuff:

www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2566/the-jewish-view-of-satan/?P=2556

Check it out!

It reminds me of a favorite saying I came up with when I was younger as a lonely boy LOL:

"You can learn more about life and spiritual growth at a house of mourning then at a house of party and celebration."

It actually comes very close to merging my Christian worldview with her faith with only apparent contradictions to ponder: and is in no way that much different than what she attempted to share earlier with us clowns.

Again check it out. I saved it to my desktop.😎😎😎😇😇😇
Speaking about stretching a lot of what Sue has be... (show quote)


Satan is God's nemesis, Job 20 and Psalm 109 are about him. The Garden of Eden was protected from Satan with a sword. Genesis 3:24. "So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". Satan will be punished with a sword. Job 20:25 "It is drawn, and cometh out of the body, yea, the glittering sword cometh out of his gall: terrors are upon him". Satan will be executed with a sword. Isaiah 27:1. "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea". Satan is responsible for the "crucifixion" of the Messiah as a child. That is why he's called "the piercing serpent".

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Jan 11, 2017 14:01:46   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
susanblange wrote:
Satan is God's nemesis, Job 20 and Psalm 109 are about him. The Garden of Eden was protected from Satan with a sword. Genesis 3:24. "So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". Satan will be punished with a sword. Job 20:25 "It is drawn, and cometh out of the body, yea, the glittering sword cometh out of his gall: terrors are upon him". Satan will be executed with a sword. Isaiah 27:1. "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea". Satan is responsible for the "crucifixion" of the Messiah as a child. That is why he's called "the piercing serpent".
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Sue,

You and Morgan are top notch and I already knew much of which you say here is true if not all true.

What did you think about the rest of the article?

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Jan 11, 2017 20:40:11   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
susanblange wrote:
Satan is God's nemesis, Job 20 and Psalm 109 are about him. The Garden of Eden was protected from Satan with a sword. Genesis 3:24. "So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life". Satan will be punished with a sword. Job 20:25 "It is drawn, and cometh out of the body, yea, the glittering sword cometh out of his gall: terrors are upon him". Satan will be executed with a sword. Isaiah 27:1. "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea". Satan is responsible for the "crucifixion" of the Messiah as a child. That is why he's called "the piercing serpent".
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On the lighter side God has a sense of humor.

The Hebrew for "Where?" Is pronounced ...Ai

The Hebrew for "hid" is pronounced also ...AI

So in the garden of Eden after eating God comes along and asks

"AI?!!" (Where art thou?)

Adam answers "AI..." (We're hiding)

Though you might like that one.

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Jan 11, 2017 20:56:13   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Morgan wrote:
With your last quote 44:18 My question would be why? Answer this for me if you can.Why would God shut the very eyes that should be opened,and why would he close anyone's heart so that they cannot understand.

For me these are not the teaching of God or Jesus.



These are the Holy Spirit inspired words written down by the Old Testament Jewish prophet, Isaiah, (whose name means ¨The Lord Is Salvation¨).

Isaiah, the son of Amoz, ministered in and around Jerusalem as a prophet to Judah during the reigns of four kings of Judah: Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, during the time period of the years from 739 B.C. to 686 B.C..

Isaiah is directly quoted in the New Testament over 65 times, far more than any other Old Testament prophet, and mentioned by name over 20 times.

He was from a wealthy family and was married with two sons.

Isaiah met his death under the reign of King Manasseh (695-642 B.C.) by being cut in two with a wooden saw.

Everyone has the free will to choose whether or not they believe the book of Isaiah is the inspired Word of God.

We are blessed to live in a country where the Bible is still readily available to anyone desiring one. It is also available online for everyone who can read and is actually interested in what God´s prophets have written to them.

Prayer is also available free of charge 24/7 for anyone with questions for God.

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/44-15.htm


The Folly of Idolatry

Isaiah 44:14 Surely he cuts cedars for himself, and takes a cypress or an oak and raises it for himself among the trees of the forest. He plants a fir, and the rain makes it grow.

44:15 Then it becomes something for a man to burn, so he takes one of them and warms himself; he also makes a fire to bake bread. He also makes a god and worships it; he makes it a graven image and falls down before it.

44:16 Half of it he burns in the fire; over this half he eats meat as he roasts a roast and is satisfied. He also warms himself and says, "Aha! I am warm, I have seen the fire."

44:17 But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image. He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, "Deliver me, for you are my god."

44:18 They do not know, nor do they understand, for He has smeared over their eyes so that they cannot see and their hearts so that they cannot comprehend.

44:19 No one recalls, nor is there knowledge or understanding to say, "I have burned half of it in the fire and also have baked bread over its coals. I roast meat and eat it. Then I make the rest of it into an abomination, I fall down before a block of wood!"…

44:20 He feeds on ashes; a deceived heart has turned him aside. And he cannot deliver himself, nor say, "Is there not a lie in my right hand?"…

44:21 "Remember these things, O Jacob, And Israel, for you are My servant; I have formed you, you are My servant, O Israel, you will not be forgotten by Me.…

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