The Hebrew word for soul is "nephesh" and it means "life". The blood is the life of the flesh. "Soul" is a biblical word for "body" and earth is the "land of the living". All animals have souls. What they don't have is a human spirit and that is what lives on after the death of the body/soul. Although it's possible, animals don't go to Heaven. Ecclesiastes 3:21. "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

@ Zemirah: You are cherry picking and taking verse out of context. I will give you an example: Isaiah 7:10-16. Verse 14-"virgin" is a mistranslation. The Hebrew word is "almah" and it means "maiden" or "young woman". I might add that virgin births are said to have happened in the past, but the offspring are always female. The verse also says she would call the name of the child Emanuel. This is not Jesus's name. It continues on in verses 15 and 16. "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings". If you read the entire paragraph, you can see it wasn't fulfilled.
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These are the words of Jesus that have been cut into splintered partial sentences???? To what end?

Matthew 24:24: ¨For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.


24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’


24:31: And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds,from one end of the heavens to the other.…


There are thousands of books written by devout, sincere Christians arguing in favor of either pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.

Very few have changed their mind, based on someone elses opinion, after seriously studying the scriptures for themselves, and very few ever will.

Most intelligent individuals, do, however, read the entire sentences, paragraphs, chapters...

Your opinion is your own.

They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18

OK I'm back
Pre trib nonsense as in horse do do...Feel good religion...Bull dukie, etc.,.

Watch the word "elect" and verse sequence as follows:

Mathew 24:24 "they shall decieve the very ELECT..."
Mathew 24:29 "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation...."
Mathew 24:31"And he shall send his angels...And they shall gather together his ELECT..."

Sounds like post trib to me in my humble opinion...Where am I going wrong if pre trib is true?

Feel good religion verses conditioned traditional feel bad, guilt ridden religion? maybe we should think of the reasons that make us feel good. If it is loving and forgiving, and doing for others, as you were trying to do with your homeless man, and a very honorable thing to do,well does that put us on the wrong track? No of course not . Feel good religion as you say doesn't make anyone immune to hardships and difficulties, but it does have to do with understanding, as was quoted by Wolf a few posts ago.

Feeling good and bad is a discipline tactic, when we do good we the expansion of oneness with the whole, and we feel good, we like feeling good about ourselves, so we are apt to do it again, and again, soon a new way of life(pattern) is formed one out of goodness; when instead if we act out in bad and selfish intention, that goes to our inner core, deep down to our inner soul which than has a dark cloud and we feel badly about ourselves, even when we don't show it to the outside world. All this is already set by our divine source without raising a hand of punishment, we've already done it to ourselves through self infliction and negative action.

Any cherry picking being done is on your part, not on mine. You are grasping at straws.

Virgin is NOT a mistranslation. Virgin is the word used in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Tanakh made from the Hebrew, commonly in use in the first century. It was translated by seventy (or seventy-two) Jewish scholars at Alexandria, Egypt during the reign of Ptolemy Philadelphus (285-247 B.C.) The name of the "Septuagint¨ - Greek translation of the Tanakh is from the Latin septuaginta, meaning "seventy," and it is frequently referred to by the roman numerals LXX.

The Septuagint, - the earliest version of the Old Testament Scriptures which is extant (in existence), or of which we possess any certain knowledge, is this Greek translation executed at Alexandria in the third century before the Christian era. The Hebrew version of the Old Testament from which it was translated was replaced by the Jewish scribes and scholars after the rise of Christianity, by a new translation of the Hebrew, rather than continuing to use the Septuagint now shared by the Christian Jews and Gentiles.

The Apostles commonly used the Septuagint Old Testament, for Jesus also had predominantly quoted from the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament). They used it because it was the Jewish made version in general use in the first century when they wrote, as everyone (both Jew and Gentile) spoke the common (koine) Greek at that time.

They used what was already familiar to the ears of converted Hellenists. In fact, they used it as did their contemporary Jewish writers and historians, Philo and Josephus.

"The veneration with which the Jews had treated the Septuagint (as is shown in the case of Philo and Josephus, as they both quoted from the Septuagint), gave place to a very contrary feeling when they realized how it could be used against them to prove Christ´s deity, in debates with the Christians: hence they forsook the Septuagint, and sought to deprive it of all authority.

Previous to this, it was the Word of God as they were concerned. But as soon as the early Christians started using it, they tried to discredit the Septuagint. As the Gentile Christians fully embraced its authority and inspiration, they necessarily regarded the new denial on the part of the Jews of its accuracy, as little less than blasphemy, and as proof of their deliberate blindness."

The Jews upheld the Septuagint very strongly for the first 300 years of its existence as the Word of God, but because the Christians were able to use the messianic prophecies within it, as proof that Jesus was the Messiah, the Jews subsequently rejected it. The Jews then started rewriting the Septuagint in the 2nd and 3rd centuries A.D., to better suit their own convictions.

They changed the word virgin to almah, meaning maiden, however, because, at that time, in that culture, if found not to be a virgin a young woman or maiden would commonly be stoned, it is a moot point.

To be a maiden was to be a virgin.

They were, in effect, "Making the word of God of none effect through their men´s tradition " just as Jesus had said. (Mark 7:13).

My point was to communicate by just focusing on the key words that Jesus himself state as the ultimate authority of authority and the order in which he ordered his own thoughts in the sequence of actual events and actions.

What other men have written is irrelevant when standing up to the good Lord's TRUTH and ordered by HIS own perfectly thought process. (Emphasis in upper CASE)

So what's your point when you're actually agreeing with his own words and making my and HIS own witness true.

So what's your point? I'm afraid you've lost me there my friend when the self evident truth in JESUS' own words is the essential and ultimate witness of so called post trib.

You're making the topic more complicated with "much words" when just common sense and a lot fewer words will do!

Now if you want to take it further then take it up with my friend as I suggested earlier who doesn't use the internet but would be perfectly willing to discuss it with his own hand if you have an anonymous PO box address.

KIS (Keep It Simple) please and either take it up with him or change the subject!

I have written what I have written and as far as I'm concerned that discussion you need to now take up further, if you're interested with my friend and spiritual mentor Randy.

With all due respect and sincerity,

Dave

FYI: This is an online forum intended for the exchange of opinions and online informational resources.

I first read the entire Bible through at the age of nine, when I was in the 4th grade, over sixty years ago.

There is absolutely no need for me to give any unknown 3rd party referred by another forum member my private post office box address in order to receive information that is supposedly not readily available through God´s written word!!!

That sounds VERY CULTISH!!! This is what you wish me to do? No, thank you.

All of the Apostles Words in the Scriptures are ¨Jesus words,¨ - for just as He promised them in John 16:12-15, the Holy Spirit would give them, through inspiration, the words of Jesus, who is the Living Logos, enabling them to write the entire New Testament, which was still future at that time.

John 16:12: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.¨

ALL Jesus words are KEY words.

The Bible, in its composition, is a beautiful mosaic.

To understand any subject in the Scriptures, it is necessary to consider every verse pertaining to that subject, omitting not one word, and thereby receiving a complete picture of God´s instruction on the matter under consideration.

Key words alone give only a vague outline, signifying nothing actionable.

In an earlier post on this Topic, I recited the major verses of inspired Scripture which teach the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of all God´s redeemed in Jesus Christ.

The Scriptures say what they say. They will not change.

We each choose what we believe, which is as intended, for God will not violate our free will.

What you're saying, is that the Septuagint is a version that was written by Christians. What you accuse the Jews of doing, "to suit their own convictions", is what the Christians did. It was written in Greek, the original language of the NT. It is best to be able to read the OT in the original Hebrew, but it is a very imprecise language. There are only about 5000 words in the Hebrew language and each word can have several different meanings. That is one of the reasons why there are so many different English translations of the Bible. There are also tens of thousands of Christian denominations, and instead of interpreting the scriptures, they change them to fit their own beliefs.