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Jan 8, 2017 12:49:38   #
Morgan
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
OK and I thought you were being understandably cagey.

We then let's continue the open conversation...

My spiritual mentor and I think pre trib theology is just so much "feel good" nonsense.

As Bill O'Reilly would ask...

"What say you?"



OK...What exactly are we talking about? Too much feel good nonsense?

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Jan 8, 2017 12:54:31   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Morgan wrote:
OK...What exactly are we talking about? Too much feel good nonsense?


That will take some time to explain and right now I have to plow a driveway and have a date with my wife. I'll get back with you later today.

Love the talking heads 😁😁😁!!!

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Jan 8, 2017 13:05:42   #
Morgan
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Lol

Double stranded as some have suggested a side profile of double stranded DNA resembles a rib cage and perhaps Moses while writing Genesis in the Holly Spirit when God showed him a portion of a double stranded helix may have interpreted the vision as a rib cage or rib...Just saying



Do you believe Moses writing Genesis?

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Jan 8, 2017 13:25:04   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Morgan wrote:
Do you believe Moses writing Genesis?



Don't know I wasn't there.

Were you?

But yeah some "authorities" have suggested it was Moses in the Holly Spirit.

Anyway sounds good.

Perhaps someone in our listening audience can shed more authoritative light on the subject but right now I've got to run.

More later.

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Jan 8, 2017 14:18:00   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Morgan wrote:
You posted he was born in 1984.


The Messiah's spiritual rebirth was between August, 1983 and May, 1984. His calling lasted ten months and ended on early Sunday morning, Mothers Day, May 13, 1984 with the voice from Heaven. It said, "Wake up, Maggie", then the song by Rod Stewart played on the radio.

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Jan 8, 2017 14:33:28   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Morgan wrote:
This again Susan is interesting, and I welcome anyone to join in. I've never heard of the creation of Satin to be a "side effect" something as in a collateral damage. How can this be? I would assume God was in full control of things at that moment in time., Than you add it was a necessary evil. This perception is more in line with Taoism/Daoism in the theology of the yin/yang balance of everything, not only natural but also celestial.


There is some Truth in all religions and life is symmetrical. Everything has it's opposite. Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things".

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Jan 8, 2017 17:11:03   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I admit that I am ignorant in regard to Judaism and the Jewish culture.

You have shown me an interesting perspective of your people.

I've always denied being a Christian simply because I am far from being Christlike.

I've been reading the many comments that this topic has generated, and I appreciate every single opinion and viewpoint.

This is far more educational than just going to church.


Isaiah 28:9-11. "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people"

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Jan 8, 2017 18:33:14   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
That will take some time to explain and right now I have to plow a driveway and have a date with my wife. I'll get back with you later today.

Love the talking heads 😁😁😁!!!


OK I'm back
Pre trib nonsense as in horse do do...Feel good religion...Bull dukie, etc.,.

Watch the word "elect" and verse sequence as follows:

Mathew 24:24 "they shall decieve the very ELECT..."
Mathew 24:29 "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation...."
Mathew 24:31"And he shall send his angels...And they shall gather together his ELECT..."

Sounds like post trib to me in my humble opinion...Where am I going wrong if pre trib is true?

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Jan 8, 2017 18:42:15   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
susanblange wrote:
Isaiah 28:9-11. "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people"


Job 28:28 “And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."

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Jan 8, 2017 21:31:00   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Job 28:28 “And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."


We depart from evil because of the fear of the Lord. It took me years, but I began to notice in the late nineties if I did something I shouldn't, God will get me. Proverbs 3:12. "For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth: even as a father the son in whom he delighteth". I am afraid to sin and I have become holy. Isaiah 11:2-3. "And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord..." I've also noticed as a result of obedience, God answers all of my prayers. I don't actually formally pray, because God knows all of our thoughts and God is in all of my thoughts. God never fails me and I cannot sin because I am afraid of punishment and I don't want to lose his favor

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Jan 8, 2017 22:17:23   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
@ Zemirah: You are cherry picking and taking verse out of context. I will give you an example: Isaiah 7:10-16. Verse 14-"virgin" is a mistranslation. The Hebrew word is "almah" and it means "maiden" or "young woman". I might add that virgin births are said to have happened in the past, but the offspring are always female. The verse also says she would call the name of the child Emanuel. This is not Jesus's name. It continues on in verses 15 and 16. "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings". If you read the entire paragraph, you can see it wasn't fulfilled.
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@ Zemirah: You are cherry picking and taking verse... (show quote)



Any cherry picking being done is on your part, not on mine. You are grasping at straws.

Virgin is NOT a mistranslation. Virgin is the word used in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Tanakh made from the Hebrew, commonly in use in the first century. It was translated by seventy (or seventy-two) Jewish scholars at Alexandria, Egypt during the reign of Ptolemy Philadelphus (285-247 B.C.) The name of the "Septuagint¨ - Greek translation of the Tanakh is from the Latin septuaginta, meaning "seventy," and it is frequently referred to by the roman numerals LXX.

The Septuagint, - the earliest version of the Old Testament Scriptures which is extant (in existence), or of which we possess any certain knowledge, is this Greek translation executed at Alexandria in the third century before the Christian era. The Hebrew version of the Old Testament from which it was translated was replaced by the Jewish scribes and scholars after the rise of Christianity, by a new translation of the Hebrew, rather than continuing to use the Septuagint now shared by the Christian Jews and Gentiles.

The Apostles commonly used the Septuagint Old Testament, for Jesus also had predominantly quoted from the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament). They used it because it was the Jewish made version in general use in the first century when they wrote, as everyone (both Jew and Gentile) spoke the common (koine) Greek at that time.

They used what was already familiar to the ears of converted Hellenists. In fact, they used it as did their contemporary Jewish writers and historians, Philo and Josephus.

"The veneration with which the Jews had treated the Septuagint (as is shown in the case of Philo and Josephus, as they both quoted from the Septuagint), gave place to a very contrary feeling when they realized how it could be used against them to prove Christ´s deity, in debates with the Christians: hence they forsook the Septuagint, and sought to deprive it of all authority.

Previous to this, it was the Word of God as they were concerned. But as soon as the early Christians started using it, they tried to discredit the Septuagint. As the Gentile Christians fully embraced its authority and inspiration, they necessarily regarded the new denial on the part of the Jews of its accuracy, as little less than blasphemy, and as proof of their deliberate blindness."

The Jews upheld the Septuagint very strongly for the first 300 years of its existence as the Word of God, but because the Christians were able to use the messianic prophecies within it, as proof that Jesus was the Messiah, the Jews subsequently rejected it. The Jews then started rewriting the Septuagint in the 2nd and 3rd centuries A.D., to better suit their own convictions.

They changed the word virgin to almah, meaning maiden, however, because, at that time, in that culture, if found not to be a virgin a young woman or maiden would commonly be stoned, it is a moot point.

To be a maiden was to be a virgin.

They were, in effect, "Making the word of God of none effect through their men´s tradition " just as Jesus had said. (Mark 7:13).

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Jan 8, 2017 22:26:46   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
The creation of Satan was a side effect of the creation of man, it was not deliberate. It was a necessary evil in the creative process. Adam was created as the antithesis of God. Exactly the same, yet totally opposite. Eve was created and taken out of Adam's side. Originally they were both called "Adam". Genesis 5:2. "Carnal knowledge" refers to sex. Human reproduction began with incest. Cain's wife was his sister. A&E had a lot of children, both sons and daughters. Genesis 5:4.
The creation of Satan was a side effect of the cre... (show quote)



Satan was a created Archangel, who chose to rebel against God, wishing himself to be God.

Adam was the first man. He was created in the image of God, which is to say he was a reflection of God, who is spirit.

Adam was NEVER the same as God.

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Jan 9, 2017 00:03:21   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
OK I'm back
Pre trib nonsense as in horse do do...Feel good religion...Bull dukie, etc.,.

Watch the word "elect" and verse sequence as follows:

Mathew 24:24 "they shall decieve the very ELECT..."
Mathew 24:29 "IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation...."
Mathew 24:31"And he shall send his angels...And they shall gather together his ELECT..."

Sounds like post trib to me in my humble opinion...Where am I going wrong if pre trib is true?
OK I'm back br Pre trib nonsense as in horse do do... (show quote)





These are the words of Jesus that have been cut into splintered partial sentences???? To what end?

Matthew 24:24: ¨For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.


24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’


24:31: And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds,from one end of the heavens to the other.…


There are thousands of books written by devout, sincere Christians arguing in favor of either pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.

Very few have changed their mind, based on someone elses opinion, after seriously studying the scriptures for themselves, and very few ever will.

Most intelligent individuals, do, however, read the entire sentences, paragraphs, chapters...

Your opinion is your own.

They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand. Isaiah 44:18

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Jan 9, 2017 00:17:21   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
How will all of these persons bodies be sustained in the air? How are these people going to get out of their graves and/or who is going to dig all of these people up? What if your body is decomposed or, say, you were eaten by a shark or you were cremated? The body is temporary and mortal. The spirit is eternal.



The God you profess to acknowledge is far too small.

My God, the Creator of the universe and of all life upon it, who has made Himself known to us through His written Scriptures, can bring those people, by the millions, out of the grave, in their resurrection bodies, by the Word of His power.

They will be translated through the air to the destination of His choice upon His command because He is God.

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Jan 9, 2017 00:20:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
John Lennon, the King of Rock and roll, introduced Rock music in 1964. If you knew the Messiah, you would understand it's prophetic nature, Messianic Rock musicians sing about the Messiah. Proverbs 9:10. "...and the knowledge of the holy is understanding". In the scriptures it's called a "new song", and you're also supposed to play it loud. Lamentations 3:63. "Behold their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their music".



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