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Jan 6, 2017 13:15:22   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Creation hasn't been proven, the story of Noah's Ark hasn't been proven, etc.


No but intelligent design is back on the table and if you check out volume 2 of Burnham's Celestial Handbook page 862 you will read:

"The most famous and often-mentioned fact about Thuban (a double star in the constellation Draco, II: the Dragon) is that it was the Pole some 4800 years ago"

Huuum.....Click click..click...Click...

OMG right around the time of the flood.

Nah! Couldn't be...Could it?!

Check it out...

And BCH isn't exactly a Bible thumping publication either

But to set the record straight on Jesus so you won't think I'm picking on you... Jewish historian Josephus, who lived in the time of Christ testified tenitively to Christ as a "righteous man...If I am allowed to call him so"...Check that out also and Luke's chapter is actually a legal transcript under testimony that would have been held as perjury in the day it was written...But the lazy administrators apparently failed to report. So that has to stand as a historic document along with the Gospel accounts which by definition are also sworn statements of sorts that would also then have to be included in the history of Christ.

In fact, one authority (IE: converted Christian lawyer Lee Strobel) comments that there are probably more reliable accounts of his life and ministry and death; as there were for the life and death of Julius Caesar.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:31:39   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Creation hasn't been proven, the story of Noah's Ark hasn't been proven, etc.


Some things you have to take on faith until the Messiah comes. I may not take the entire creation story literally, but I know the modern human race started with Adam and Eve and the story in Genesis 3 is accurate. That story will be the parable at the Messiah's trial. Psalm 49:4, Psalm 78:2. I also believe in Noah's flood, but I think it was local and confined to the middle east, the entire known world, and the cradle of civilization. I am a fundamentalist and I believe the OT is the word of God. If these stories are not true, God is a false witness, and that is a sin God cannot commit. The answer to the riddle, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" is found in Genesis 1:21. The rooster came first, God created the fowl, and the male of the species was created first. Then the hen and egg were created together.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:37:07   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Creation hasn't been proven, the story of Noah's Ark hasn't been proven, etc.


Wait a second, I can physically observe creation with all my senses. And I distinctly remember Bill Cosby, before he was a pervert, giving a very detailed description of Noah building the ark 30 or 40 years ago. (I hope it wasn't longer ago than that.)

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Jan 6, 2017 13:40:03   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
padremike wrote:
Wait a second, I can physically observe creation with all my senses. And I distinctly remember Bill Cosby, before he was a pervert, giving a very detailed description of Noah building the ark 30 or 40 years ago. (I hope it wasn't longer ago than that.)


Very funny

Was Cosby just aquited recently?

I don't know for sure but I think he was...

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Jan 6, 2017 13:44:53   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
No but intelligent design is back on the table and if you check out volume 2 of Burnham's Celestial Handbook page 862 you will read:

"The most famous and often-mentioned fact about Thuban (a double star in the constellation Draco, II: the Dragon) is that it was the Pole some 4800 years ago"

Huuum.....Click click..click...Click...

OMG right around the time of the flood...

How, pray tell, does this prove the flood?

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Jan 6, 2017 13:46:06   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Very funny

Was Cosby just aquited recently?

I don't know for sure but I think he was...


Last I heard there was to be financial settlements.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:48:01   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
mwdegutis wrote:
How, pray tell, does this prove the flood?


We've got the boat now and it's clouding up.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:50:21   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
susanblange wrote:
Some things you have to take on faith until the Messiah comes...

I would agree with that. The only problem is that yours and mine aren't the same person. According to what I believe, I just hope that you're one of the ones who comes to their senses like many will when your Messiah sits in the third temple claiming himself to be God and demanding to be worshiped.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:51:52   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
mwdegutis wrote:
How, pray tell, does this prove the flood?


Well lol lol lol lol lol if someone were to smack one in his head and it was caught on video just shy of showing the actual perpetrator but we could clearly see his head jerk slightly less than twenty degrees to the south putting Polaris in Draco's place...

What would you say?

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Jan 6, 2017 13:54:50   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Well lol lol lol lol lol if someone were to smack one in his head and it was caught on video just shy of showing the actual perpetrator but we could clearly see his head jerk slightly less than twenty degrees to the south putting Polaris in Draco's place...

What would you say?

I would say that that you're someone who has been on this site awhile that has a new persona named tradexpertbuysell.

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Jan 6, 2017 13:56:40   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
padremike wrote:
Last I heard there was to be financial settlements.


O that doesn't sound good or maybe that was what she was really after...But I'll give them both a break...

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Jan 6, 2017 13:58:50   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I would say that that you're someone who has been on this site awhile that has a new persona named tradexpertbuysell.


Aw you must be into causal statistics like I am😂

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Jan 6, 2017 14:23:42   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
I would agree with that. The only problem is that yours and mine aren't the same person. According to what I believe, I just hope that you're one of the ones who comes to their senses like many will when your Messiah sits in the third temple claiming himself to be God and demanding to be worshiped.


My Messiah is God incarnate and he will be worshipped in the Temple. Your messiah has been reincarnated and he will cause the true Messiah to be killed. Your messiah will then make a covenant with the 210 million or so people left alive. He will take over the Temple, claim to be God and demand to be worshipped. He is the "abomination of desolation". He will give the Messiah three days to rise from the dead and then he will cut off the Temple rituals established by the real Messiah. The Messiah will not be resurrected after three days. It will be a little bit longer. This is in the seventy weeks prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27. When the real Messiah comes back from Heaven, your messiah, Jesus will burst into flames along with all those who are left that follow him. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.

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Jan 6, 2017 19:39:35   #
Betta
 
A person who does not believe the whole bible knows what they're is talking about? Please. You either believe ALL of it or you believe none if it. The road is straight and narrow, not wide and crooked. There is NO wiggle room. One thing I find fascinating about folks who claim to be believers is that in the next breath they call God a liar. That is demonic.

tradexpertbuysell wrote:
Grant R Jeffrey from Ejekiel and Daniel came up with a startling algorithm that Prophesied to the month day and year Isreal became a nation in one day by a factor of four taking into account the penalty for leaders or kings of Israel and Juda backsliding into exile.

Gang,

This woman knows what she is taking about validated by the above authority. My only problem with Jeffrey is that he was pretrib...A major disappointment in my opinion.

Good work Sue!

This woman is wicked smart!
Grant R Jeffrey from Ejekiel and Daniel came up wi... (show quote)

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Jan 6, 2017 20:50:44   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Betta wrote:
A person who does not believe the whole bible knows what they're is talking about? Please. You either believe ALL of it or you believe none if it. The road is straight and narrow, not wide and crooked. There is NO wiggle room. One thing I find fascinating about folks who claim to be believers is that in the next breath they call God a liar. That is demonic.


Correction to what I wrote. Earlier about the rebirth of Israel is not a factor of four times but seven given in Leviticus 26:18. "And after this, if you do not obey me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins"

So the period of 360 years of further punishment declared by Ezekiel 4:3-6 was multiplied by seven times.

Sorry for error. Anyway the algorithm predicting Israel's rebirth is as follows:

360 years *7=2,520 years biblical years.

Converted to callendar years =2,483.8

Babylonian captivity ended in the spring of 536 B.C.

So 536-2,483.8=1,947.4

To adjust for the fact there was no year zero between 1 B.C. and A.D. 1...

1+ 1,947.4. =. 1948 - May 15

Per Grant R Jeffrey....The Signature of God...Page 169

"On the afternoon of May 14, 1948, the Jews proclaimed the independence of the reborn state of Israel. As an old rabbi blew on the traditional shofar...At midnight, as May 15, 1948 began, the British Mandate officially ended and Israel became an independent nation."

So there ladies and gentlemen you have the rest of the story. Nik nuk nuk!

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