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Jan 5, 2017 20:13:35   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Sue,

That private message I sent you today mathematically underscores the very first statement of your article.

But I'm asking you to restrain yourself until I or we get it reviewed and published.

It's tempting to use your readers here for feedback but I want to be sure of my research since although all the numbers are in after two years of independent research it is now still only in the rough draft phase.

It would appear that what is showing is a signature in the Word with a certain energy constant, scriptural statements, associated geometric and mathematics tying into a three way interlocking recognizable pattern with low probability of being random.

It seem to tie in with the energy, matter and Information patterns of DNA research that puts intelligent forces back on the table of scientific philosophers inquiry of our origins.

At least that's what it appears is starting to take shape: and reminds me of the research of Michael Behe, Stephen C. Meyer etal; in the last fifteen years of research.

My apologies to your readers that I cannot be more specific at this point in time.

But we will keep you posted...

Dave

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Jan 5, 2017 20:20:18   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
padremike wrote:
Jesus didn't write the book but what he said was true. And those who actually witnessed what they saw and experienced wrote it down. And all of them, excerpt St John, suffered horrible martyrdom to include one of them being skinned alive. Not one of them recanted a single word and all went to their death praising Christ. They had nothing to gain except heaven. Believe what you want: that's the beauty and responsibility of free will.


How do you know what Jesus said? The NT was written several generations after Jesus died, and there was no contemporaneous records of what he taught. The NT at its best, is hearsay. There are other so called "Prophets" who have started new religions, and offshoots of Christianity. Namely Muhammed and Joseph Smith who founded Mormonism. They have a lot of followers and I'm sure they all genuinely believe they are right. I count myself among them and I will go to my grave believing what I believe.

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Jan 5, 2017 21:35:26   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
susanblange wrote:
How do you know what Jesus said? The NT was written several generations after Jesus died, and there was no contemporaneous records of what he taught. The NT at its best, is hearsay. There are other so called "Prophets" who have started new religions, and offshoots of Christianity. Namely Muhammed and Joseph Smith who founded Mormonism. They have a lot of followers and I'm sure they all genuinely believe they are right. I count myself among them and I will go to my grave believing what I believe.
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Isn't free will wonderful? You are free to believe anything you want. And if you choose to go to your grave putting all your trust and faith in what you have made up to be truth based on your personal feelings and knowledge, name one person who can stop you? Not even God will stop you He gave you free will and He cannot take it away from you. So are we done now?

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Jan 6, 2017 06:19:52   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
How do you know what Jesus said? The NT was written several generations after Jesus died, and there was no contemporaneous records of what he taught. The NT at its best, is hearsay. There are other so called "Prophets" who have started new religions, and offshoots of Christianity. Namely Muhammed and Joseph Smith who founded Mormonism. They have a lot of followers and I'm sure they all genuinely believe they are right. I count myself among them and I will go to my grave believing what I believe.
How do you know what Jesus said? The NT was writte... (show quote)



The birth and early history of Christianity are the best documented events that ever occurred.

There were over 500 eyewitnesses in total.

Neither Islam or the Mormon LDS writings are in any way offshoots of Christianity, though Mormonism superficially pretends to be.

The first gospels were written by eyewitnesses, Mark and then Matthew in 53 - 54 A.D., less than twenty years after Jesus ascended to heaven.

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Jan 6, 2017 06:39:46   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
[quote=susanblange][Spirits are composed of light and heat, both of which are forms of Energy. E=mc2. When we die, we lose weight and heat. Mass, or weight, is also associated with Energy. The Energy in our bodies changes form and Spirits change from breath (inside the body), to wind (outside of the body). Spirits are eternal and the Spirit of God was present at the creation of the Heavens and the Earth. Genesis 1:2. "...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". God will take on a temporary body (soul) and will return to Spirit form upon his death.[/quote]


susanblange wrote:
God will take on a temporary body (soul) and will return to Spirit form upon his death.


Jesus, who is God, did that two thousand years ago, however His resurrection body, is not flesh and blood, but flesh and bone.

We know that He had a body of flesh and bone. Jesus told the disciples, “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I, Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have” (Luke 24:39).

We also know that Jesus ate food. Imagine the surprise of the disciples when the risen Lord appeared to them and then said, “Have you any food here?”

What?” they must have been thinking. But they gave Jesus a piece of broiled fish and some honeycomb, and He ate it (see Luke 24:41–43).

His resurrected body also could be touched and felt. When the women were returning from the empty tomb, “Behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then, when Jesus appeared to the disciples in the Upper Room, He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing” (John 20:27).

This tells us that in His resurrected body, Jesus still wore the marks of the crucifixion. And He will wear those marks, even in eternity (see Zechariah 12:10).

This reminds us no one will be in heaven because of their good works. They will be there because of His shed blood, because spikes were driven through His hands and feet for all those who chose to believe.

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Jan 6, 2017 06:52:49   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
susanblange wrote:
You're right. British is a Hebrew word that means "covenant people". Britain is the tribe of Manasseh, son of Joseph. The throne of David still exists and Queen Elizabeth is sitting on it. David has been reincarnated and he will ascend that throne and be the governor of Israel forever. Ephraim, the youngest son of Joseph, comprises the rest of what used to be called "free Europe". The USA is the melting pot and in the prophetic books, we are called "Israel". We are also relatively young and we will be the subject of God's wrath. That is mainly because our legal system is corrupt. Proverbs 14:34. "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people". We can expect war, famine, and pestilence.
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The gibberish you are spouting is the Anglo-Israelism made infamous by the cultist, Herbert W. Armstrong, who deceived thousands with his false teachings.

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Jan 6, 2017 07:05:01   #
tradexpertbuysell
 
Zemirah wrote:
The gibberish you are spouting is the Anglo-Israelism made infamous by the cultist, Herbert W. Armstrong, who deceived thousands with his false teachings.


Your quoting Armstrong but I'm quoting another independent source.

But this is all irrelevant since I went back to the Hebrew language and verified for myself.

And the root words are as these other sources claim even if both sources had some kind of ax to grind.

But thanks for your input. Check it out for yourself using the language itself for the ultimate proof.

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Jan 6, 2017 07:05:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV). The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan.

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?

The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others. Satan, as the most beautiful archangel of God, and probably the most powerful of all the angels, was a bright morning star.

Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is THE bright and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe.

Although both Jesus and Satan can be described as “bright morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it.

Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is self-existent. Satan may be a bright morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.


susanblange wrote:
Lucifer is Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He is spoken of in many places of the OT, one of which is Isaiah 14:12-17. Jesus made himself equal to God and Christians call themselves "prisoners", and in "captivity" and "bondage" to him. II Timothy 2:26 "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will". You are blinded to the Truth because of your idols. The NT is the doctrine of Satan. Job 31:35-36 "...behold; my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book. Surely I would take it upon my shoulder, and bind it as a crown to me". Satan means "adversary". Revelation 2:24 "...as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan..." IOW, if you adhere to the NT then you have known Satan and if you don't accept it, you have not known the depths of Satan.
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Jan 6, 2017 07:06:10   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
susanblange wrote:
That is a circular argument, mw. You cannot use the NT to prove the NT...

Then the same could be said of the OT.

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Jan 6, 2017 08:06:06   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Zemirah wrote:
The birth and early history of Christianity are the best documented events that ever occurred.

There were over 500 eyewitnesses in total.

Neither Islam or the Mormon LDS writings are in any way offshoots of Christianity, though Mormonism superficially pretends to be.

The first gospels were written by eyewitnesses , Mark and then Matthew in 53 - 54 A.D., less than twenty years after Jesus ascended to heaven.


Where have you been living? Under a rock? I wish I had a link that will prove Christianity is idolatry and everything about him was copied from other pagan, so called "gods". These include the virgin birth, his alleged date of birth, (BTW the Messiah was supposed to be a Libra), and the alleged "resurrection". There are many, many, more. You may be able to find it if you google it.

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Jan 6, 2017 08:13:45   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Zemirah wrote:
The gibberish you are spouting is the Anglo-Israelism made infamous by the cultist, Herbert W. Armstrong, who deceived thousands with his false teachings.


I agree with most of what Herbert W. Armstrong taught. It fits in nicely with my theology. Except for being a Christian, I would consider him a prophet.

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Jan 6, 2017 08:28:58   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Zemirah wrote:
The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (NIV). The KJV and NKJV both translate “morning star” as “Lucifer, son of the morning.” It is clear from the rest of the passage that Isaiah is referring to Satan’s fall from heaven (Luke 10:18). So in this case, the morning star refers to Satan.

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus unmistakably identifies Himself as the morning star. Why are both Jesus and Satan described as the “morning star”?

The idea of a “bright morning star” is a star that outshines all the others. Satan, as the most beautiful archangel of God, and probably the most powerful of all the angels, was a bright morning star.

Jesus, as God incarnate, the Lord of the universe, is THE bright and morning star. Jesus is the most holy and powerful “light” in all the universe.

Although both Jesus and Satan can be described as “bright morning stars,” in no sense is this equating Jesus and Satan. Satan is a created being. His light only exists to the extent that God created it.

Jesus is the light of the world (John 9:5). Only Jesus’ light is self-existent. Satan may be a bright morning star, but he is only a poor imitation of the one true bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the light of the world.
The first reference to the morning star as an indi... (show quote)


Both Adam (Satan) and Jesus (Lucifer) went to Heaven when they died. Both have been kicked out and reincarnated. Jesus made himself equal to God. Isaiah 14:13-15. "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit". Christians call themselves "prisoners" of Satan. Isaiah 14:17 "...that opened not the house of his prisoners?"

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Jan 6, 2017 08:32:59   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Then the same could be said of the OT.


The OT is a proven, historically accurate book. When the Messiah comes, all of the prophetic books will also be proven.

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Jan 6, 2017 08:45:30   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Zemirah wrote:
Jesus, who is God, did that two thousand years ago, however His resurrection body, is not flesh and blood, but flesh and bone.

We know that He had a body of flesh and bone. Jesus told the disciples, “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I, Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have” (Luke 24:39).

We also know that Jesus ate food. Imagine the surprise of the disciples when the risen Lord appeared to them and then said, “Have you any food here?”

What?” they must have been thinking. But they gave Jesus a piece of broiled fish and some honeycomb, and He ate it (see Luke 24:41–43).

His resurrected body also could be touched and felt. When the women were returning from the empty tomb, “Behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then, when Jesus appeared to the disciples in the Upper Room, He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing” (John 20:27).

This tells us that in His resurrected body, Jesus still wore the marks of the crucifixion. And He will wear those marks, even in eternity (see Zechariah 12:10).

This reminds us no one will be in heaven because of their good works. They will be there because of His shed blood, because spikes were driven through His hands and feet for all those who chose to believe.
Jesus, who is God, did that two thousand years ago... (show quote)


Bodies, which are also called "souls" are mortal. The spirit we all have is what can live forever. According to your beliefs, Jesus is a Zombie. When your rapture happens, who is going to dig up all of these bodies? And what if you were cremated? When the Messiah comes, and is executed by Christians, he will be made a lamb for a sin offering and his body will be burned on the altar. Daniel 7:11 "...I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame".

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Jan 6, 2017 12:38:09   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
susanblange wrote:
The OT is a proven, historically accurate book. When the Messiah comes, all of the prophetic books will also be proven.

Creation hasn't been proven, the story of Noah's Ark hasn't been proven, etc.

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