susanblange Loc: USA

The God of Israel is the most ancient God out of all the gods in the world. He was around before creation. Other gods, including the god of Christianity and the god of Islam are new gods. Deuteronomy 32:17. "They sacrificed unto devils, not to God: to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not". The Philistines are the Palestinians and when the Messiah comes, they will be wiped out. Isaiah 14:29-32. "Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery, flying serpent. And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant...What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it". The Messiah will have the power to throw a lightning bolt and all of his judgments will be by fire. Isaiah 30:30. "...And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm..."

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Oh good grief!

The best thing I can say to anyone like you....

Yes, Jesus is coming back...and after seeing what has been happening on this Earth, boy is he pissed!

tradexpertbuysell

Your last statement is what really worked for me to allow myself to finally let go of my guilt because it was a greater sin to deny than the sin itself and that attendant realization helped to finally push it away and move on with my life.

Let this serve as a beacon of hope for those currently struggling with their own guilt and personal inspiration.

Glory to God

susanblange Loc: USA

How many second comings do you believe in? Because there is only one and it will occur on the mount of Olives. If Jesus rose from the dead, then the resurrection is past. Your book is mythology and delusion. There will be no rapture or tribulation. The OT is complete concerning the Messiah and theology. It requires no addition or elaboration. Tell me where the rapture is mentioned in the OT? You can't and you talk about adding to the word of God?

susanblange Loc: USA

Psalm 49:19 "He shall go to the generation of his fathers: they shall never see light". Were you born in 1940? You're right on the edge of the baby boomers who were born between 1939 and 1964. The Messiah is a baby boomer. Psalm 14:5 "There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous".

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

WTF? you are saying that "the messiah" was born between 1939 and 1964? Oh you are seriously mentally defective. I hope anyone around you is aware of how mentally ill you are. You are so mentally ill, you are not safe to be around anyone else. Rubber room time for you.

susanblange Loc: USA

There were no witnesses to Jesus's resurrection because it never happened. If it did happen, he would be here reigning over his kingdom on earth forever. Mary Magdalene started the rumor that Jesus was alive after his death. (BTW, if this was true, he'd be a Zombie). Mary M. had 7 demons in her that were cast out by Jesus. The NT says when a demon is cast out, 7 times more demons enter into them. Mary M. had 49 demons and you're going to believe her? Isaiah 44:9 "...and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed". The entire world will witness the resurrection and it will include the entire heavenly host. The meek will inherit the earth.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Susan, every time you open your mouth you expose the mind of a person either possessed or in need of extreme help. Why don't you do yourself a favor and retire from this forum. You only garner sympathy not converts.

susanblange Loc: USA

I thought he was supposed to come back at the end of 1999? How long are you going to wait? I actually believe in Jesus's return, but he's coming back in the flesh. He's been reincarnated. This time, he will die by bursting into flames. Ezekiel 28:18-19. "...and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be anymore". Jesus will be the leader of the "sons of darkness" and the true Messiah will be the leader of the "son's of light". All other religions will disappear. If you cling to your idols till the end, you will burst into flames along with Jesus and cease to exist

tradexpertbuysell

Sue,

I say this not as a prosletiseer but as a friend.

The God of Abraham you worship is the same God all us Christians also worship.

You and I both believe in a Messianic future.

But I define it in the present though while your doctrines teach you to look to the future.

But what I believe is this:

That God gave us free choice and directions in his word to sort out these things for ourselves.

That also if we apply ourselves to do our research the examples that the martyr Steven's gave following history before the new testament pointed directly at Christ and on closer searching revealed that the events and witnesses could not have been manipulated or even if so impossible to fudge especially the events as witnessed at the time.

You have scales on your eyes....But in the end times those scales will be removed:

And you will look at the wounded one and mourn for him as a lost son and find yourself marveling how you could have ever believed otherwise.

But now is not that time but in being friends with you and learning to appreciate you and in just the very brief time that I have known you. You have what it takes although not now but when confronted by the real Messiah you will know more than you know now and that beautiful mind I am confident will make the right decision.

And it is a decision that God will bless you and allow you to make.

The only question that will then be left is will you allow yourself to make that decision

Will you allow yourself alone to make that choice?

Please remember that I have shared this with you that the only one standing in your own way at that particular moment wiil not be God but only you yourself.

Let yourself go!

And may God bless you!!!!!!!!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

The Holy Trinity is a great mystery that has no definition that when all encompassing to the conclusion that
Holy Spirit as "one God in three Divine Persons"...I remembered a simply analogy of 1+1+1=3 and 1x1x1=1...For some reason that has always resonated in me no matter what I read either pro or con...It also puts it in a "mathematical " factual realization some may take heed to, who have the same essence of deity...

I like your story of "this is a great mystery, my son"...Now I understand what the ministers were really doing when I would get a similar response or told to e-reader my Bible and the answer what be revealed...

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

The Noahic Flood
In Noah's day there were those who passed through the flood (Noah and his family in the ark); there were those who perished in the flood (the unbelieving world); and there was Enoch who was "translated" or "caught up" before the judgment of God was poured out. Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:24) and pleased Him (Hebrews 11:5), just as Christians who abide in Christ please God (1 John 3:22). Interestingly, from the time God told Noah to enter the ark, until the time when the waters of the flood were on the earth, God granted seven more days for the world to repent (Genesis 7:1-10). Perhaps this is a foreshadow of the final seven-year period culminating in the final judgment (Revelation 19:11-21)?

Lot Had To Leave Sodom
But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it. (Genesis 19:23)

Lot was taken away from the time and place of the judgment before it began. In fact the angels who were sent to remove him said they couldn’t bring the judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot was away and safe. (Genesis 19:21-22) Lot served as a model of the Church who also has to be rescued from the time and place of the coming judgment before it can begin.

Where Was Daniel?
Daniel 3 contains one of the most popular children’s stories of the Old Testament. Many don’t realize that it’s also one of the clearest models of the End Times anywhere in the Bible. King Nebuchadnezzar represents the anti-Christ who decrees that anyone who refuses to bow down and worship the statue he has made will be put to death in the fiery furnace, which represents Great Tribulation. Daniel’s three friends, representing Israel, refuse to worship the image and are thrown into the furnace to die. While in there they encounter the Lord, are preserved through the judgment, and are elevated to positions of honor in Babylon.

But where was Daniel? He was a prominent figure both before and after chapter 3. But in this episode his name was not even mentioned. Did he worship the statue to escape judgment? If you think that, you don’t know Daniel. Did he refuse to bow down but was not accused? If you think that, you don’t know his enemies. After all they rounded up his three closest friends. For the purposes of this story it’s as if he has disappeared altogether. In chapter 3, Daniel was a model of the Church, who during the End times judgments will have disappeared altogether, while Israel will be preserved through them, meet the Lord in the midst of them, and be elevated to positions of honor in the Kingdom Age.

Isaiah Said It Best
But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. (Isaiah 26:19-21)

Without a doubt this is the clearest statement of the Lord’s intentions for the Church anywhere in the Old Testament. It can’t be tied to any event in history, but clearly awaits a future fulfillment. And it can’t be intended for Israel, whose resurrection will come after the time of God’s wrath, not before it. (Daniel 12:1-2)

This is not the sum of Old Testament verses that point to a pre-tribulation rapture. But it’s a good sample of the clearest ones, to help you see that God always intended to take us to be with him before He unleashes the End Times judgments upon the unbelieving Earth.

tradexpertbuysell

The rapture isn't mentioned in the new testament either.... Daniel and Ezekiel come the closest...

But again I didn't come to evangelize you but please remember what I said at the end of that last message and don't listen to an old idiot like me...

But do your own homework!!!!!!!!!!!

It's there even in Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, (IE: your own Pentateuch), Samuel, Kings and Chronicles:

Highlighted in the historical chronological account of the Jewish tax collector Mathew and Pharasee scholar Paul's Acts.

Now forget about me...And trust yourself that you will NOT be influenced by anything other than your own good judgement.

If I am a fool then you will quickly, I am confident come to that just conclusion.

But if otherwise happens don't be afraid to question with boldness...Because God would rather have you question than just to simply follow blindly in fear... Because God didn't give us the spirit of fear but of love power and a sound mind....

Love

David

susanblange Loc: USA

I was raised as a Christian, David. I also come from a very violent and abusive background. My parents were not religious until I got to be about 11 or 12. They forced me and my brother to go to church and we hated it. I have actually always been Jewish. When I was about 2 1/2, in the summer of 1964, I almost drowned at Santa Monica beach in California. I was saved by a dolphin and after that my mother took me to Sunday school. I basically told the teacher she was full of it and I didn't believe it. Needless to say, I was kicked out of the class. But I didn't hate God and I had an intuitive understanding of the scriptures. My pastor would ask me questions about the scriptures and I seemed to know the answers. I can guarantee you that I will never become a Christian.

susanblange Loc: USA

When the Messiah comes, all scripture will be fulfilled in his lifetime. Christians divide these prophecies into two groups. The suffering servant, and the conquering king. There is not a 2000 year gap between them. The Messiah's work will go before him and the first group of prophecies will be fulfilled before VWD Day, the first Day of the Lord when the Messiah's enemies are cut off. The Messiah will bring peace and righteousness to the earth, he will be called the "Prince of Peace". Isaiah 9:6. Jesus said he came not to bring peace, but a sword. He also didn't bring a covenant. His only commandment was to love everyone. You cannot enter Heaven based on a simple belief. The NT says faith without works is dead.