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Next Mandate Trump Should Dump? The Ethanol Standard
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Dec 9, 2016 19:57:31   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Time for Iowa and other farmers to become patriots again!
Grow food again.
Feed our livestock with the corn, not gas tanks.

Any one give thought to the price of our beef, pork, chicken, etc; if that feed grain was used to feed them.
Those subsidies have been used to raise the price of our food.


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Easier said than done. In farming, like any other business, you do what you have to do to stay solvent

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Dec 10, 2016 01:12:32   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
hprinze wrote:
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Easier said than done. In farming, like any other business, you do what you have to do to stay solvent


When you cut deals with the Devil; you end up soiled. Pun intended.
The trap is set, choose a side.

Family farms are the target for extinction by the elitist PTB.

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Dec 10, 2016 10:05:44   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
eagleye13 wrote:
When you cut deals with the Devil; you end up soiled. Pun intended.
The trap is set, choose a side.

Family farms are the target for extinction by the elitist PTB.


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How long have you been a farmer

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Dec 10, 2016 10:27:53   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
hprinze wrote:
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How long have you been a farmer


That is supposed to be a rebuttal? - prinze

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Dec 10, 2016 10:35:34   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
eagleye13 wrote:
That is supposed to be a rebuttal? - prinze


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No, it is a question. Sorry I left off the question mark.

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Dec 10, 2016 11:45:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
hprinze wrote:
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No, it is a question. Sorry I left off the question mark.


One has to be a farmer to follow the attack on family farms?
And the monopoly on our food supply by the PTB?

You are unable to see the effects on the price of food?
Are you incapable of applying some common sense, prinze

Subsidizing gasoline to replace food, has had its results.

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Dec 10, 2016 14:13:51   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
eagleye13 wrote:
One has to be a farmer to follow the attack on family farms?
And the monopoly on our food supply by the PTB?

You are unable to see the effects on the price of food?
Are you incapable of applying some common sense, prinze

Subsidizing gasoline to replace food, has had its results.


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You still did not answer the question. Forget it.

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Dec 10, 2016 14:24:59   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
hprinze wrote:
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You still did not answer the question. Forget it.

I have not been a farmer. Sooooooooooo?
What has that got to do with the price of eggs, chicken, beef or pork?

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Dec 10, 2016 18:04:44   #
trucksterbud
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Next Mandate Trump Should Dump? The Ethanol Standard
http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/next-mandate-trump-should-dump-the-ethanol-standard/

Rethinking the Ethanol Standard

Obamacare isn’t the only mandate Trump should dump, says IPI’s Dr. Merrill Matthews in The Washington Times. Let consumers decide at the gas pump if they want ethanol in their gasoline.

He writes:

President-elect Donald Trump cruised to victory promising to get rid of the mandate to buy health insurance. While he’s at it, how about getting rid of the mandate to buy ethanol?

The federal government mandates that virtually all gasoline include ethanol, known as the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS). The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which oversees the ethanol program, recently released its 2017 guidelines for increased ethanol usage, calling for nearly 19 billion gallons of renewable fuel — and increase of nearly 700 million gallons over the 2016 level.

When Congress first embraced ethanol, legislators were convinced that adding it to gasoline would stretch fuel supplies, be less expensive and better for the environment, and reduce our reliance on oil imports.

As is turns out, most of those initial assumptions no longer appear to be true.

First, ethanol hurts drivers. Existing blends provide fewer miles per gallon, forcing drivers to pay more to travel. According to the Institute for Energy Research, the RFS has saddled American drivers with an extra $83 billion at the pump.

Second, auto manufacturers and AAA warn that increasing the percentage of ethanol in our gasoline past the current 10 percent “blend wall” — which some states are allowing — could harm engines, especially in older cars. But Congress mandated that oil refineries increase annually the amount of ethanol they mix with gasoline. The problem is that gasoline usage has remained relatively flat since the recession, so the only way to meet the mandate is to increase the ethanol blend — putting engines at risk.

Third, ethanol production is bad for the environment. About 40 percent of corn grown in the United States goes into our gas tanks. Farmers have plowed up massive tracts of grassland and wetlands to plant more corn, which is the key ingredient in most ethanol. That conversion releases carbon stored in soil, plus the corn must be harvested, transported and refined before being added to gasoline, raising questions about whether ethanol production generates more carbon emissions than ethanol-blending eliminates. The nonprofit Environmental Working Group has called the increased use of ethanol a “climate disaster.”

The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, while increasing the amount of ethanol to be added to our gas tanks, required the EPA to provide reports assessing the ethanol program. The EPA produced its first report in 2012, but failed to meet the next deadline.

As a result, the agency’s inspector general recently released a report calling out the EPA for neglecting this obligation, noting that the agency “has not complied with the requirement to provide a report every 3 years to Congress.” The inspector general went on to emphasize that this “information is needed to fully inform the EPA, Congress and other stakeholders of the environmental impacts of U.S. biofuel policy.”


In the wake of the inspector general’s condemnation, agency officials have promised to produce the next assessment by 2017.

Why the delay? Maybe the EPA knows the United States no longer needs renewable fuels to wean itself off foreign energy. Thanks to the rapid expansion of the domestic oil and gas industry, this country has passed Russia and Saudi Arabia as the world’s top energy producer.

Eliminating the RFS would also increase demand for gasoline, stoking renewed domestic production and accelerating our march to total energy independence.

During the presidential primaries, Mr. Trump proclaimed his support for ethanol in Iowa, a big ethanol-producing state. But since Mr. Trump understands why a mandate has skewed the health insurance market, he should understand why an ethanol mandate could skew the energy market.

We don’t need to eliminate the ethanol industry, just the mandate to use it. Let consumers decide at the gas pump if they want ethanol in their gasoline.
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You have to understand there is always another side to anything the gov does, and I believe you do understand that. Whatever they do it is to benefit their couffers, penalize the people, and if possible, cause problems in another part of the world.

That being said, seems most people are too stupid to realize that ALCOHOL or ethanol creates its own emissions. NOTHING burns clean. About the cleanest burning fuel is diesel.

The present day enigma around ETHANOL was brought on by the brain dead bird brain bunch that worships the democratic god. For them, the only real issue is to ELIMINATE their portion of the human race, then - PRESTO - !!! - all problems solved..

Ethanol drops your vehicle mileage by 3-5 mpg. Ethanol, when first introduced, damaged the plastic and rubber parts in the fuel system. The corn to produce ethanol was taken out of the world corn supply, now the people of Mexico, central and South America are having to pay a much higher price for their corn to make tortillas - their staple - IF THEY CAN EVEN GET SOME..!

I say this from a standpoint of using both ethanol gas and non-ethanol gas driving a F-150 over 15,000 miles. 16 mpg with ethanol gas, 21 mpg pure gasoline.

And ya, there is a lotta trucking going on just to get the corn to the ethanol plant. I don't think anybody thought about that one. Its a complex problem, and the only solution is really - GET RID OF ETHANOL.. We were much better off before it, and the people south of us ate much better cheaper too..

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Dec 10, 2016 18:11:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
trucksterbud wrote:
You have to understand there is always another side to anything the gov does, and I believe you do understand that. Whatever they do it is to benefit their couffers, penalize the people, and if possible, cause problems in another part of the world.

That being said, seems most people are too stupid to realize that ALCOHOL or ethanol creates its own emissions. NOTHING burns clean. About the cleanest burning fuel is diesel.

The present day enigma around ETHANOL was brought on by the brain dead bird brain bunch that worships the democratic god. For them, the only real issue is to ELIMINATE their portion of the human race, then - PRESTO - !!! - all problems solved..

Ethanol drops your vehicle mileage by 3-5 mpg. Ethanol, when first introduced, damaged the plastic and rubber parts in the fuel system. The corn to produce ethanol was taken out of the world corn supply, now the people of Mexico, central and South America are having to pay a much higher price for their corn to make tortillas - their staple - IF THEY CAN EVEN GET SOME..!

I say this from a standpoint of using both ethanol gas and non-ethanol gas driving a F-150 over 15,000 miles. 16 mpg with ethanol gas, 21 mpg pure gasoline.

And ya, there is a lotta trucking going on just to get the corn to the ethanol plant. I don't think anybody thought about that one. Its a complex problem, and the only solution is really - GET RID OF ETHANOL.. We were much better off before it, and the people south of us ate much better cheaper too..
You have to understand there is always another sid... (show quote)


"GET RID OF ETHANOL.. We were much better off before it, and the people south of us ate much better cheaper too"

So did our chickens, cattle, and pigs.
Hence people that eat eggs, chickens, cows, and pigs.

That IS my point!!!!

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Dec 10, 2016 18:24:01   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
trucksterbud wrote:
You have to understand there is always another side to anything the gov does, and I believe you do understand that. Whatever they do it is to benefit their couffers, penalize the people, and if possible, cause problems in another part of the world.

That being said, seems most people are too stupid to realize that ALCOHOL or ethanol creates its own emissions. NOTHING burns clean. About the cleanest burning fuel is diesel.

The present day enigma around ETHANOL was brought on by the brain dead bird brain bunch that worships the democratic god. For them, the only real issue is to ELIMINATE their portion of the human race, then - PRESTO - !!! - all problems solved..

Ethanol drops your vehicle mileage by 3-5 mpg. Ethanol, when first introduced, damaged the plastic and rubber parts in the fuel system. The corn to produce ethanol was taken out of the world corn supply, now the people of Mexico, central and South America are having to pay a much higher price for their corn to make tortillas - their staple - IF THEY CAN EVEN GET SOME..!

I say this from a standpoint of using both ethanol gas and non-ethanol gas driving a F-150 over 15,000 miles. 16 mpg with ethanol gas, 21 mpg pure gasoline.

And ya, there is a lotta trucking going on just to get the corn to the ethanol plant. I don't think anybody thought about that one. Its a complex problem, and the only solution is really - GET RID OF ETHANOL.. We were much better off before it, and the people south of us ate much better cheaper too..
You have to understand there is always another sid... (show quote)


Gas burned growing and harvesting the corn too.....all to net get less energy per gallon, never made any sense to me. Let's hope that Trump calls an ens to this silliness . Then opens up drilling again, slant, horizontal, octopus well heads and all. We can change natural gas into gasoline, motor oil and diesel with the use of catalysts , something that has been known since the Germans did it during WW2.

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