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Why Republicans should hope Donald Trump loses in a landslide.
Nov 6, 2016 17:11:24 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
Onelostdog wrote:
Nothing better first thing in the morning than a cup of coffee and a Snickers Bar. Of course in the evening when relaxing a good stiff drink and a Snickers Bar is great also. CanTankEroUS is an old military term meaning Don't Much With the US as is befitting and only a Snickers Bar keeps us older fold mellow in times like these. Semper Fi Archie and friends.
SEMPER FI, indeed, OLD.
Nov 6, 2016 17:32:44 #
slatten49 wrote:
Archie, aka 'the high plains drifter' tends to be cantankerous when he doesn't get his Snicker's bar.
Yes but I love probably because I am the same.😂😂😂
Nov 6, 2016 17:49:11 #
kenjay wrote:
No Archie I was agreeing with you and pointing out Slatten was a credit to the whole country. I am sorry never want to be sideways with you, I respect you too much and besides us Texans need to stick together. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But it was Kane Kune needs to apologize.😎
I guess I misunderstood your point Ken. My bad.
Sometimes reading printed words on a screen without facial expressions, body language, etc. Things get mistook, and confused. Kankune doesn't know slatten as I do, and is passionate in his beliefs many of which I share myself. He/she has been forgiven by the slatts, so it's all good!!
Nov 6, 2016 17:54:48 #
slatten49 wrote:
Archie, aka 'the high plains drifter' tends to be cantankerous when he doesn't get his Snicker's bar.
The big one! I need the big one!
Ummm.....Snickers bar that is! Don't want any misunderstandings here!😨
Nov 6, 2016 21:39:57 #
Rivers wrote:
So, you admire crooks and liars? You admire some ... (show quote)
The fact of the matter is she is going to kick the narcissistic, amoral, misogynists stinking ass
Nov 6, 2016 21:41:51 #
slatten49 wrote:
Archie, aka 'the high plains drifter' tends to be cantankerous when he doesn't get his Snicker's bar.
Name one person who doesn't. I could use one right now. Maybe two.
Nov 6, 2016 21:42:50 #
boatbob2 wrote:
WHY,does everybody say that Donald doesnt know how to be potus??? IF,you havent been potus,you wouldnt know how to be potus either,Donald doesnt have to know all there is,about governing and politics,,as potus,he will have a sack full of people who are experts on various subjects dealing with world politics. Then it will be up to Donald,to seperate the wheat from the chaff........
But they are all republicans and are bereft of ideas and by every measure the economy has done better under democrats over the last 83 years
Nov 6, 2016 21:44:44 #
Nickolai wrote:
The fact of the matter is she is going to kick the narcissistic, amoral, misogynists stinking ass
By those 126 people who showed up at her rally? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Nov 6, 2016 21:45:39 #
Her bridge to Trump’s base
Bill Clinton remains popular even in the Republican’s terrain, where he stresses his own blue-collar roots.
BY ROBIN ABCARIAN
CINCINNATI — Tall and vegan-slender since his quadruple bypass, the former president steps off the stage and meanders down a rope line. His thick shock of silver hair disappears as he bends down to shake hands with a child, then reemerges, only to disappear again in a sea of people, sometimes three deep, reaching for him.
Bill Clinton is casually dressed in an open-collar shirt and jacket, his pace as languid as his familiar Southern drawl. He chats with his ardent fans at a megachurch on the outskirts of Cincinnati and poses for selfies.
He seems to be enjoying every moment, every speck of attention, as he campaigns in battleground states for his wife, Hillary, who is seeking the presidency. Over two days recently, he visited six cities and towns in Ohio and Pennsylvania. He popped into universities, union halls, churches and auditoriums.
“They send me to where her opponent is strong,” he told a crowd of still-sleepy students one morning in Cleveland.
Onstage, sometimes he pauses, midsentence, and it seems like maybe he’s lost his thread. That can happen at the dawn of your eighth decade. But he’s just considering his next line, and he always finishes his thought.
He no longer fires up a crowd like the Obamas, undisputed rock stars of the Democratic campaign trail.
But he brings something to the race that the Obamas cannot: his white, working-class bona fides.
Clinton is not just the country’s most popular ex-president, he is also the Democrats’ best bridge to Donald Trump’s base of blue-collar men who are angry about the way they’ve been buffeted by a changing economy and the country’s relentless demographic changes.
“I spent my life watching people play my working-class white family off African Americans,” Clinton said in Cincinnati. “ ‘No, you can’t have a raise. But you can look down on these people over here.’ ”
During his administration, he reminds the crowd, the country experienced its longest economic expansion in history, and its lowest unemployment rates in 30 years. And this, ultimately, is what Clinton is selling. Vote for us — well, her — and it can happen again.
In Aliquippa, a western Pennsylvania steel town, Michael Good, a 47-year-old steelworker, waited to hear Clinton. Good is like many of the Rust Belt voters who have flocked to Trump. Over the years, he has faced layoffs and a seesawing income. But, he said, “I lived well under Bill Clinton.”
A genteel style
It’s not a shock that the man who is the nation’s foremost symbol of political baggage, of truth-shading, of the tarnishing effect of the unrestrained libido, should preach the virtue of turning the other cheek.
He gets plenty of chances to do that in these last, pitched moments of the 2016 campaign. On a recent afternoon, one such opportunity presented itself, about five minutes into his speech in Duncansville, in central Pennsylvania.
Several hundred had gathered to see him in a union meeting hall. Clinton was mocking Trump’s charge that Hillary Clinton has been in public service for three decades and failed to fix what ails the country.
“She did have some influence when I was president,” Clinton said in that familiar, hoarse voice. “We tried to pass healthcare. We had the longest economic expansion in history; everyone’s income rose. Golly, I thought I did some of it. Turned out, she was in control the whole time.”
In the back of the hall, a young man ripped off his Hillary T-shirt to reveal a second T-shirt with Bill Clinton’s face and the word “Rape.”
“You’re a rapist!” the man yelled. The crowd booed. Two officers hustled him out. Clinton never stopped talking.
Toward the end, he acknowledged the outburst: “I’m tired of all this acid being poured down people’s throat. In the end, we all gotta get up in the morning. I want you to think about this, and talk to people like that fellow who screamed at me. If somebody says something hateful to you, tell them, ‘Unlike you, we actually want you to be part of our future.’ ”
This genteel style, a counterpoint to the rough tone of Trump rallies, extends to his rope-line conversations as well.
After his speech at the Cincinnati megachurch, Clinton spent an unusually long time with Mike Travanutti, 63, a retired financial manager. Until 2008, Travanutti was a lifelong Republican and “Bill Clinton hater.” Disgusted by the way Republicans turned on Colin Powell for supporting Obama, and dismayed by the viciousness of the attacks on the Clintons, he turned off conservative talk radio.
He apologized to Clinton “for drinking the right-wing Kool-Aid in the ’90s.” He told Clinton he voted against Al Gore in 2000 because of the president’s sexual misconduct with a White House intern. “I told him, ‘Everything I thought about you before was wrong.’ ”
Clinton held onto his hand.
“He said, ‘I forgive you,’ ” Travanutti said. “I thought I was going to cry.”
Unabashed critique
While every Bill Clinton speech is an encomium to the superior ideas of his wife, the glory days of his own tenure (though with never the slightest allusion to his impeachment), and the promise of a brighter future, it is also an unabashed critique of Trump.
The trick to going high when they go low, it seems, is to never say the other guy’s name.
Over two days in Pennsylvania and Ohio, Clinton never publicly uttered the words “Donald Trump.” But he never stopped slamming “Hillary’s opponent,” the man who has, with gusto, reopened the tawdriest political wounds of the ’90s.
He never accused Trump of being a racist. He didn’t have to.
“I am a 70-year-old white Southerner,” he told the college students in Cleveland. “I know what ‘Make America great again’ means. It means I’ll give you the economy you had 50 years ago when you had a good, middle-class lifestyle and you felt good when you got up in the morning. And I will give you the society you had back then. I will move you up on the social totem pole and make other people slide back down. That’s a big part of this, and you know it.”
In Aliquippa, he accused Trump of building two projects with “illegal imported Chinese steel.”
“The steel was proved to be sold in America at a price lower than it cost the Chinese to make it in the first place,” Clinton said. “That’s like going into a country and firing a missile at a plant and taking people’s jobs away.”
“Lock him up!” yelled a man in the crowd, echoing the anti-Hillary chant that has become a staple of Trump rallies.
“No,” Clinton replied, “that’s the kind of stuff they say. I want you to lock him out of the White House.”
‘He’s still got it’
His loose approach on the trail can backfire. Last month in Michigan, his inartful description of rising Obamacare premiums was put to instant use in Republican ads.
But people who assumed the Big Dog would be muzzled — as he was in 2008 after calling Obama’s Iraq war opposition “the biggest fairy tale you ever saw” — are wrong.
Until election day, he will keep up his frenzied schedule of three appearances a day, flying private jets between stops.
Holding a microphone in one hand, his other hand casually in his pocket, Clinton still exudes the qualities that have made him such a singular politician — the ability to convey deep empathy for Americans struggling with economic dislocation, combined with a mastery of policy and simple-sounding solutions to vexatious problems.
He spoke of “small towns, rural areas losing manufacturing jobs and other jobs, and they don’t bounce back in a hurry. ... It’s a terrible problem. And it’s fueling a lot of the road rage in her opponent’s campaign.
“And I get it. The worst thing in the world is to get up every single morning and start the day by looking in the mirror and know that there is not one single, solitary thing you can do to make tomorrow better than today. The question is what would fix it? She’s the only person got a plan to do it.”
Clinton also sprinkles in unexpected tidbits: “Pennsylvania Dutch” are actually German. Canada has one of the biggest Ukrainian populations outside of Ukraine. White working-class Americans are the only group whose life expectancy is going down. He owns a sculpture by newly minted Nobel laureate Bob Dylan, a gate made of old farm implements.
Hillary Clinton supporters may or may not have warm feelings about her, but they love him.
“He’s still got it,” said Joe Wagner, a 61-year-old construction worker who lives among Trump supporters in Batavia, a Cincinnati suburb. “He’s just so good.”
Whether his wife makes history or not, you get the sense that Bill Clinton will always be a welcome sight in these places. He embodies the ’90s, and for most Americans, the ’90s were pretty good.
As people started to file out of the Word Family Life Center megachurch, police officers blocked the doors. Dozens already outside were told to stay put. There was only one driveway into the church’s parking lot, and no one would be allowed to leave until Clinton’s motorcade departed.
Rolling past the crowd, Clinton lowered the window of his black SUV, smiled and waved. The crowd waved back. robin.abcarian
@ latimes.com
Photographs by DAVE MUNCH Erie Times-News
THE FORMER president visits Democratic headquarters in Erie County, Pa. He went to six cities in Pennsylvania and Ohio in two days.
CLINTON GETS a selfie taken with fans in Erie, Pa. “I lived well under Bill Clinton,” said one steelworker in Pennsylvania, where many workers support Trump.
Bill Clinton remains popular even in the Republican’s terrain, where he stresses his own blue-collar roots.
BY ROBIN ABCARIAN
CINCINNATI — Tall and vegan-slender since his quadruple bypass, the former president steps off the stage and meanders down a rope line. His thick shock of silver hair disappears as he bends down to shake hands with a child, then reemerges, only to disappear again in a sea of people, sometimes three deep, reaching for him.
Bill Clinton is casually dressed in an open-collar shirt and jacket, his pace as languid as his familiar Southern drawl. He chats with his ardent fans at a megachurch on the outskirts of Cincinnati and poses for selfies.
He seems to be enjoying every moment, every speck of attention, as he campaigns in battleground states for his wife, Hillary, who is seeking the presidency. Over two days recently, he visited six cities and towns in Ohio and Pennsylvania. He popped into universities, union halls, churches and auditoriums.
“They send me to where her opponent is strong,” he told a crowd of still-sleepy students one morning in Cleveland.
Onstage, sometimes he pauses, midsentence, and it seems like maybe he’s lost his thread. That can happen at the dawn of your eighth decade. But he’s just considering his next line, and he always finishes his thought.
He no longer fires up a crowd like the Obamas, undisputed rock stars of the Democratic campaign trail.
But he brings something to the race that the Obamas cannot: his white, working-class bona fides.
Clinton is not just the country’s most popular ex-president, he is also the Democrats’ best bridge to Donald Trump’s base of blue-collar men who are angry about the way they’ve been buffeted by a changing economy and the country’s relentless demographic changes.
“I spent my life watching people play my working-class white family off African Americans,” Clinton said in Cincinnati. “ ‘No, you can’t have a raise. But you can look down on these people over here.’ ”
During his administration, he reminds the crowd, the country experienced its longest economic expansion in history, and its lowest unemployment rates in 30 years. And this, ultimately, is what Clinton is selling. Vote for us — well, her — and it can happen again.
In Aliquippa, a western Pennsylvania steel town, Michael Good, a 47-year-old steelworker, waited to hear Clinton. Good is like many of the Rust Belt voters who have flocked to Trump. Over the years, he has faced layoffs and a seesawing income. But, he said, “I lived well under Bill Clinton.”
A genteel style
It’s not a shock that the man who is the nation’s foremost symbol of political baggage, of truth-shading, of the tarnishing effect of the unrestrained libido, should preach the virtue of turning the other cheek.
He gets plenty of chances to do that in these last, pitched moments of the 2016 campaign. On a recent afternoon, one such opportunity presented itself, about five minutes into his speech in Duncansville, in central Pennsylvania.
Several hundred had gathered to see him in a union meeting hall. Clinton was mocking Trump’s charge that Hillary Clinton has been in public service for three decades and failed to fix what ails the country.
“She did have some influence when I was president,” Clinton said in that familiar, hoarse voice. “We tried to pass healthcare. We had the longest economic expansion in history; everyone’s income rose. Golly, I thought I did some of it. Turned out, she was in control the whole time.”
In the back of the hall, a young man ripped off his Hillary T-shirt to reveal a second T-shirt with Bill Clinton’s face and the word “Rape.”
“You’re a rapist!” the man yelled. The crowd booed. Two officers hustled him out. Clinton never stopped talking.
Toward the end, he acknowledged the outburst: “I’m tired of all this acid being poured down people’s throat. In the end, we all gotta get up in the morning. I want you to think about this, and talk to people like that fellow who screamed at me. If somebody says something hateful to you, tell them, ‘Unlike you, we actually want you to be part of our future.’ ”
This genteel style, a counterpoint to the rough tone of Trump rallies, extends to his rope-line conversations as well.
After his speech at the Cincinnati megachurch, Clinton spent an unusually long time with Mike Travanutti, 63, a retired financial manager. Until 2008, Travanutti was a lifelong Republican and “Bill Clinton hater.” Disgusted by the way Republicans turned on Colin Powell for supporting Obama, and dismayed by the viciousness of the attacks on the Clintons, he turned off conservative talk radio.
He apologized to Clinton “for drinking the right-wing Kool-Aid in the ’90s.” He told Clinton he voted against Al Gore in 2000 because of the president’s sexual misconduct with a White House intern. “I told him, ‘Everything I thought about you before was wrong.’ ”
Clinton held onto his hand.
“He said, ‘I forgive you,’ ” Travanutti said. “I thought I was going to cry.”
Unabashed critique
While every Bill Clinton speech is an encomium to the superior ideas of his wife, the glory days of his own tenure (though with never the slightest allusion to his impeachment), and the promise of a brighter future, it is also an unabashed critique of Trump.
The trick to going high when they go low, it seems, is to never say the other guy’s name.
Over two days in Pennsylvania and Ohio, Clinton never publicly uttered the words “Donald Trump.” But he never stopped slamming “Hillary’s opponent,” the man who has, with gusto, reopened the tawdriest political wounds of the ’90s.
He never accused Trump of being a racist. He didn’t have to.
“I am a 70-year-old white Southerner,” he told the college students in Cleveland. “I know what ‘Make America great again’ means. It means I’ll give you the economy you had 50 years ago when you had a good, middle-class lifestyle and you felt good when you got up in the morning. And I will give you the society you had back then. I will move you up on the social totem pole and make other people slide back down. That’s a big part of this, and you know it.”
In Aliquippa, he accused Trump of building two projects with “illegal imported Chinese steel.”
“The steel was proved to be sold in America at a price lower than it cost the Chinese to make it in the first place,” Clinton said. “That’s like going into a country and firing a missile at a plant and taking people’s jobs away.”
“Lock him up!” yelled a man in the crowd, echoing the anti-Hillary chant that has become a staple of Trump rallies.
“No,” Clinton replied, “that’s the kind of stuff they say. I want you to lock him out of the White House.”
‘He’s still got it’
His loose approach on the trail can backfire. Last month in Michigan, his inartful description of rising Obamacare premiums was put to instant use in Republican ads.
But people who assumed the Big Dog would be muzzled — as he was in 2008 after calling Obama’s Iraq war opposition “the biggest fairy tale you ever saw” — are wrong.
Until election day, he will keep up his frenzied schedule of three appearances a day, flying private jets between stops.
Holding a microphone in one hand, his other hand casually in his pocket, Clinton still exudes the qualities that have made him such a singular politician — the ability to convey deep empathy for Americans struggling with economic dislocation, combined with a mastery of policy and simple-sounding solutions to vexatious problems.
He spoke of “small towns, rural areas losing manufacturing jobs and other jobs, and they don’t bounce back in a hurry. ... It’s a terrible problem. And it’s fueling a lot of the road rage in her opponent’s campaign.
“And I get it. The worst thing in the world is to get up every single morning and start the day by looking in the mirror and know that there is not one single, solitary thing you can do to make tomorrow better than today. The question is what would fix it? She’s the only person got a plan to do it.”
Clinton also sprinkles in unexpected tidbits: “Pennsylvania Dutch” are actually German. Canada has one of the biggest Ukrainian populations outside of Ukraine. White working-class Americans are the only group whose life expectancy is going down. He owns a sculpture by newly minted Nobel laureate Bob Dylan, a gate made of old farm implements.
Hillary Clinton supporters may or may not have warm feelings about her, but they love him.
“He’s still got it,” said Joe Wagner, a 61-year-old construction worker who lives among Trump supporters in Batavia, a Cincinnati suburb. “He’s just so good.”
Whether his wife makes history or not, you get the sense that Bill Clinton will always be a welcome sight in these places. He embodies the ’90s, and for most Americans, the ’90s were pretty good.
As people started to file out of the Word Family Life Center megachurch, police officers blocked the doors. Dozens already outside were told to stay put. There was only one driveway into the church’s parking lot, and no one would be allowed to leave until Clinton’s motorcade departed.
Rolling past the crowd, Clinton lowered the window of his black SUV, smiled and waved. The crowd waved back. robin.abcarian
@ latimes.com
Photographs by DAVE MUNCH Erie Times-News
THE FORMER president visits Democratic headquarters in Erie County, Pa. He went to six cities in Pennsylvania and Ohio in two days.
CLINTON GETS a selfie taken with fans in Erie, Pa. “I lived well under Bill Clinton,” said one steelworker in Pennsylvania, where many workers support Trump.
Nov 6, 2016 22:01:08 #
Steve700 wrote:
Trump Vrs. Hillery: Your author is missing the mo... (show quote)
Further decline ??? the nation has been decline for over 40 years ever since the conservative movement began its ascendency in the mid 1970's it just took 20 years to realize barrowing and spending was more destructive than tax and spend and the S&L's went down , World Com and Enron scandals, the dot com bubble the housing bubble, and banking collapse of 2008 was the culmination of the conservative movement. A new progressive movement is growing among the young people who know unregulated capitalism is not working for them. That the American dream is just that a dream and they are not in it. Trump suffers from both ignorance and arrogance, neither are attractive qualities for a person aspiring to hold the most powerful office in the world
Nov 6, 2016 22:01:22 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Archie,
Ken is a fine person, and relatively new to OPP. There are people on OPP that I respect, and Ken is one of those people. I recall when I was new and people did not know how to take some of my comments, in particular those that I accidentally posted to the wrong comment.... It is easy to do. And when I made the newby mistakes, you were among the first to ask others to be patient with me. Ken has the same moral compass as you and I, as 99.9 percent of the conservatives on OPP. G*d, family, and country! And he was one of the first to stand beside me when I was being criticized for issuing a public apology to Slatten... when everybody else were mute including you.... I understood exactly what he intended... had he not echoed your remark supporting Slatten, then I would understand your instant nip at his heels.
It seems that the closer we get to elections, the more on edge we are getting as a group. Simple statements are taken wrongly, we do not give the benefit of the doubt when we read comments, small disagreements become pages of angry exchanges.... and that is just a few things. There is a difference between Liberals and us... they will turn their backs on supporters and friends or stand mute... but conservatives have always been different... we have historically allowed people to make mistakes and when we do not understand the intent of another, we ask them what they intended... we don't go off on each other. Time to take a breath... the election will soon be over and whatever the outcome, we will have to live with it...and each other. Do we choose to emulate the Liberals... or do we stay as a loosely knit family?
Ken is a fine person, and relatively new to OPP. There are people on OPP that I respect, and Ken is one of those people. I recall when I was new and people did not know how to take some of my comments, in particular those that I accidentally posted to the wrong comment.... It is easy to do. And when I made the newby mistakes, you were among the first to ask others to be patient with me. Ken has the same moral compass as you and I, as 99.9 percent of the conservatives on OPP. G*d, family, and country! And he was one of the first to stand beside me when I was being criticized for issuing a public apology to Slatten... when everybody else were mute including you.... I understood exactly what he intended... had he not echoed your remark supporting Slatten, then I would understand your instant nip at his heels.
It seems that the closer we get to elections, the more on edge we are getting as a group. Simple statements are taken wrongly, we do not give the benefit of the doubt when we read comments, small disagreements become pages of angry exchanges.... and that is just a few things. There is a difference between Liberals and us... they will turn their backs on supporters and friends or stand mute... but conservatives have always been different... we have historically allowed people to make mistakes and when we do not understand the intent of another, we ask them what they intended... we don't go off on each other. Time to take a breath... the election will soon be over and whatever the outcome, we will have to live with it...and each other. Do we choose to emulate the Liberals... or do we stay as a loosely knit family?
archie bunker wrote:
Scuse me? Apologize for what? My response was in the context of the post I was responding to.
If you are looking for someone to get sideways of, go elsewhere. I'm not gonna do it!!
If you are looking for someone to get sideways of, go elsewhere. I'm not gonna do it!!
Nov 6, 2016 22:19:31 #
Nickolai wrote:
Further decline ??? the nation has been decline ... (show quote)
The country is in decline because of the effect of Marxist propaganda and because of the Fed taking us off the gold standard which JFK died for his intentions to correct. With the possible exception of independent Trump they all are part of the establishment and for all practical purposes we no longer have a two-party system since they are all owned by the illuminati ruling elite of this world. Have you noticed that all these stars of the Republican elephant have been turned upside down a few years ago? That makes those stars occult/satanic stars, signifying that the illuminati has full control of the Republican Party now?
I agree the decline has been going on for many years but has accelerated greatly under Obama who has more than doubled our national that after stating it was irresponsible and unpatriotic for Bush to have increased it less than half what Obama himself wound up doing It's all part of the Cloward and Piven Strategy. LOOK IT UP
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Nov 7, 2016 07:36:05 #
slatten49 wrote:
Duly noted, Jim. Write or call Mr. Tamny or Forbes Magazine, and register your complaint with them. 
Posting and reading different perspectives is, I believe, what OPP is all about. At the very least, the article confirmed yours.
Posting and reading different perspectives is, I believe, what OPP is all about. At the very least, the article confirmed yours.
I was thinking to myself while reading this drivel....."surely Flatten isnt in agreement with this nonsense?".
Nov 7, 2016 07:37:58 #
PZG1225 wrote:
I was thinking to myself while reading this drivel....."surely Flatten isnt in agreement with this nonsense?".
Sorry Slatten. Typo. No it wasn't! My darn phone changes my spelling! Just did it again!
Nov 7, 2016 07:41:09 #
Ricko wrote:
slatten49-ironically many of us prefer some politi... (show quote)
Wonderful post Ricko!!
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