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Dec 29, 2013 10:27:16   #
MarvinSussman
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Q5

The federal government raises trillions of dollars in tax revenue each year, though there are many different kinds of taxes. Some taxes fund specific government programs, while other taxes fund the government in general. When all taxes for a given year are insufficient to cover all of the government’s expenses—which is often the case

1— the U.S. Treasury borrows money to make up the difference. Total federal tax revenues in fiscal year 2014 are projected to be $3 trillion.

2 These revenues come from three major sources: income taxes paid by individuals, accounting for 46 percent of all tax revenues; payroll taxes paid jointly by workers and employers, accounting for 34 percent; and corporate income taxes paid by businesses, making up 11 percent. There are also a handful of other types of taxes like customs duties and excise taxes that make up much smaller portions of federal revenue. Customs duties are taxes on imports, paid by the importer, while excise taxes are taxes levied on specific goods, like gasoline. This pie chart below shows how much each of these revenue sources are expected to bring in during fiscal year 2014.

Source:
http://nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/revenues/
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

A5: The federal government needs taxes but not for spending. Just as you would destroy your redeemed IOUs, the IRS destroys its receipts, actually shredding bills and melting coins for scrap. Since Congress cannot touch a cent of tax revenue, it creates new money out of thin air (just like your bank creates loans), deposits it in the Treasury, and spends it with checks. The Treasury auctions bonds to finance deficits that are limited ONLY by the will of Congress.

The ONLY rational reason to restrict deficit spending is the onset of harmful inflation. Until then, Congress can finance both the DINO’s annual debt interest and our much-needed infrastructure. Every day, you fill your kitchen sink with water AND you prevent it from overflowing. Why can’t Congress fill our economy with money building infrastructure AND prevent harmful inflation? China builds 24/7 without harmful inflation. Why can’t we do that?

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Dec 29, 2013 10:28:43   #
Ve'hoe
 
Or!! That they should use the "bottom rung" of employment while taking advantage of the myriad of educational opportunities that EVERYONE in this country has!! The bottom tier job was NEVER meant to be a career path...


maelstrom wrote:
My post was on a comparison, not on what you can buy cheaply. BTW a 25lb bag of rice leaves you virtually malnourish. You missed my point completely.

I don't agree in the wage going up to 15.00 dollars an hour, but it also should have a cost of living adjustment. Otherwise a person would be earning less money than he actually had in 2009.
The problem is that companies who hire help at minimum wage will only DO the minimum even though their prices do increase, because they will reap those added benefits as long as they can.
We left businesses to their own discretion and they were unconscionable in their practices, which is why Roosevelt created the minimum wage act.

The premise that people who work for minimum wage hardly work for their money is not true for most workers and extremely biased of a social class.
My post was on a comparison, not on what you can b... (show quote)

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Dec 29, 2013 10:32:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Winter Solstice wrote:
I agree. Obama wants to wreck out economy. Otherwise why is the cost of healthcare (and Burgers) going out of sight. We are forced to pay far more for healthcare now than just last year all because of ACA.


Not so much the economy, as force single payer on us whether we like it or not.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:38:00   #
Ve'hoe
 
As a matter of fact, I don't,,, but you have an honesty problem,,,,,

I disproved your point by your own rules,,, what else is there?

I didn't read above where stated you got to pontificate, merely by your opinion, insult, and deny the rebuff,,,

Can you point that out to me,,, or is it you with the reading comprehension problem?


MarvinSussman wrote:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

A5: The federal government needs taxes but not for spending. Just as you would destroy your redeemed IOUs, the IRS destroys its receipts, actually shredding bills and melting coins for scrap. Since Congress cannot touch a cent of tax revenue, it creates new money out of thin air (just like your bank creates loans), deposits it in the Treasury, and spends it with checks. The Treasury auctions bonds to finance deficits that are limited ONLY by the will of Congress.

The ONLY rational reason to restrict deficit spending is the onset of harmful inflation. Until then, Congress can finance both the DINO’s annual debt interest and our much-needed infrastructure. Every day, you fill your kitchen sink with water AND you prevent it from overflowing. Why can’t Congress fill our economy with money building infrastructure AND prevent harmful inflation? China builds 24/7 without harmful inflation. Why can’t we do that?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? br b... (show quote)

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Dec 29, 2013 10:39:31   #
Kenneth Biggs Loc: Nashville,Tennessee
 
DEAR, ibKelly, I AM A 65 YEAR OLD MAN IN NASH.TN. , AND FOR YOUR INFO, I DID GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL,AFTER GETTIG OUT OF SCHOOL, IWORKED OFF AND ON IN, STEEL FACTORIES,AND WAREHOSE WORK TIL I WAS IN MY LATE 50'S, WHEN I WAS NO LONGER ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK , I AM NOW ON SOCIAL SECURITY, AND NEED TO SUPPLIMENT MY INCOME OF,$730 PER MONTH,MINIMUM WAGE JOBS ARE ALL THAT I CAN GET!, THEY CAN'T SAY, IT'S BECAUSE I'M 65 AND OLDER, OR DISABILED , BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH!, THANK YOU, KENNETH BIGGS.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:44:35   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Or!! That they should use the "bottom rung" of employment while taking advantage of the myriad of educational opportunities that EVERYONE in this country has!! The bottom tier job was NEVER meant to be a career path...


I've been beating this drum forever. Maybe you can change someone's mind. There is a belief system that you are stuck in minimum wage because of "prejudice." I maintain that many people are stuck there for the reasons we both articulated, lack of ambition. I am a retired Executive Chef/ GM of a very nice establishment. I started out as a dishwasher at minimum. Because I asked questions about how and why things were done, I was labeled a suck up. Because I studied and learned, I was called an ass kisser. When my efforts resulted in promotion and pay raises, I was resented by those who had worked there longer than me, and had made no effort to improve themselves or learn anything more than the job they were hired for initially. They thought they deserved raises and promotions as much as myself, and one or two others who basically did the same as me. They could not conceive of the fact that it takes more than showing up and doing enough work to avoid getting fired to get a pay raise. You can always find another job, if you feel you are not getting paid what you are worth. I kissed several frogs before I found a princess.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:45:39   #
Ve'hoe
 
Kenneth,,, remember to hit "Reply Quote" button below the reply and it will automatically pop up whom you are replying to,

I am sorry for you situation,,, SS was a lie,, the govt robbed you,,, and they will rob you again with Obamacare,,
All they want is more money,, and then they forget who they promised things to.

I am Cheyenne indian, and lived on reservations before,,, the govt DOES NOT keep its promises,,,, and if you rely on them you will likely die before the money or supplies show up... and they do not care.....

Don't vote for dems anymore,,,, don't consider a republican who is supported by Karl Rove,,,,

Go teaparty and take the govt back,,, but then the real work will begin to repair the lies and the fleecing of the americans like you,,,

Being younger than you,,,, that is something I am embarrassed for my country about.

Kenneth Biggs wrote:
DEAR, ibKelly, I AM A 65 YEAR OLD MAN IN NASH.TN. , AND FOR YOUR INFO, I DID GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL,AFTER GETTIG OUT OF SCHOOL, IWORKED OFF AND ON IN, STEEL FACTORIES,AND WAREHOSE WORK TIL I WAS IN MY LATE 50'S, WHEN I WAS NO LONGER ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK , I AM NOW ON SOCIAL SECURITY, AND NEED TO SUPPLIMENT MY INCOME OF,$730 PER MONTH,MINIMUM WAGE JOBS ARE ALL THAT I CAN GET!, THEY CAN'T SAY, IT'S BECAUSE I'M 65 AND OLDER, OR DISABILED , BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH!, THANK YOU, KENNETH BIGGS.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:47:12   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
As a matter of fact, I don't,,, but you have an honesty problem,,,,,

I disproved your point by your own rules,,, what else is there?

I didn't read above where stated you got to pontificate, merely by your opinion, insult, and deny the rebuff,,,

Can you point that out to me,,, or is it you with the reading comprehension problem?


The big problem is Marvin doesn't believe in the creation or destruction of wealth. He believes like Friedman and Keynes in zero gain economics. That the "pie" cannot be made larger or smaller, but only the pieces of the "pie" may be distributed differently.

It is a fundamental difference in perspective that I haven't been able to address. But that is the root of the issue.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:48:48   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Kenneth ignore any advice given by Behoe, he hasn't taken his meds this week!


Ve'hoe wrote:
Kenneth,,, remember to hit "Reply Quote" button below the reply and it will automatically pop up whom you are replying to,

I am sorry for you situation,,, SS was a lie,, the govt robbed you,,, and they will rob you again with Obamacare,,
All they want is more money,, and then they forget who they promised things to.

I am Cheyenne indian, and lived on reservations before,,, the govt DOES NOT keep its promises,,,, and if you rely on them you will likely die before the money or supplies show up... and they do not care.....

Don't vote for dems anymore,,,, don't consider a republican who is supported by Karl Rove,,,,

Go teaparty and take the govt back,,, but then the real work will begin to repair the lies and the fleecing of the americans like you,,,

Being younger than you,,,, that is something I am embarrassed for my country about.
Kenneth,,, remember to hit "Reply Quote"... (show quote)

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Dec 29, 2013 10:52:39   #
206Guy
 
Sounds like we need to get congress involved to reduce the cost of movies so that fast food workers can see them to.

maelstrom wrote:
wow to listen to all of you is quite something. Your all such superior human beings as I imagine you think of yourselves as you swagger into a Mickey D's with such loathing of the person taking your order.
What should be done is not give anyone, "ANYONE" who receives a paycheck or entitlement compensation from the government, any kind of increase for cost of living until minimum wage has caught up with those costs for the past four years, sounds fair to me.

In 1973 min. wage was $1.60 a movie .50 cents A person could work one hour to go see three movies. In comparison to today,$7.25 to an $11.25 movie.

This doesn't even mention the rising cost of food in the past four year. The ONLY people not feeling the crunch of that are the wealthy.
wow to listen to all of you is quite something. Yo... (show quote)

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Dec 29, 2013 10:52:41   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
In this one,,, person,,, everything that liberalism does to savage a person is evident;
1. A Single mother,,, evidently talked out of her britches for sex uh er "Reproductive rights"
2. She didn't use the free condoms from the Sandra Fluck Love train
3. She didn't use the taxpayer funded abortion
4. She is anti-gay, since she had sex with a man
5. She works for minimum wage,,, one third of what it takes to live where she lives,,,but has a cell phone, TV, and Computer,,,no doubt. She makes 15000 a year,,,,
6. She pays NO Taxes
7. She actually assembles the logic, that IF she made $15 an hour,,, she would have to work less to get the same amount of money!?! (that she claims she cant live on anyway!?!)

That made sense to her!!!! That is what is wrong with liberalism, the nanny state, the racist ideologies of the left and the welfare trap. It creates people like this,,,, that are so manipul-able, that they can be urged to believe an outlandish idea like this.

What is worse however, is ignoring the devastation that this $15 an hour min wage is going to do to her,,, she thinks that people are on her side doing this for her benefit,, this is just another link in the chains the dems are forging to put blacks back into slavery.........

And the co-dependent problem is,,,, the blacks will willingly go.... as will a whole lot of ignorant whites et al,,, who cannot see the trap,,, apparently even after it has slammed them repeatedly,,,,,,,

Amazing,,,, I don't know what to say,, what do you tell someone this dense????
In this one,,, person,,, everything that liberalis... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
You hit the bull's eye. Well put.

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Dec 29, 2013 10:58:02   #
MarvinSussman
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
As a matter of fact, I don't,,, but you have an honesty problem,,,,,

I disproved your point by your own rules,,, what else is there?

I didn't read above where stated you got to pontificate, merely by your opinion, insult, and deny the rebuff,,,

Can you point that out to me,,, or is it you with the reading comprehension problem?


Of course the federal government taxes and spends. I never denied that. That has nothing to do with A5.

Exactly how did you disprove A5? Quote the first sentence in A5 that you "disprove" and explain exactly how it is wrong.

Be an adult or STFU!

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Dec 29, 2013 10:58:41   #
Artemis
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Rules of the game: To win the argument, you must disprove at least one of the 50 or so statements below. To simply deny the logical conclusion is to be like a child claiming victory after losing the game 50 – 0. Adults only!

Instead of a minimum wage, we should have an ELR (Employer of Last Resort) program in which the federal government hires any adult who is unemployed at (say) $10.00 per hour for a 40 hour week with full healthcare and other fringe benefits. These employees can then be put to work at zero cost by any federal, state, or local government office or by certified NGOs.

This establishes a minimum wage level that private enterprise must exceed. The result will be an increase in price and/or decrease of profit. But will it bring on inflation?

Before inflation rears its ugly head, many millions of Americans will be getting more income, spending it, decreasing inventory, increasing production, and getting hired away from ELR ranks by private enterprise. The question then becomes: will there be a shortage of goods or will the increased production level create enough goods to prevent harmful inflation?

The answer lies in productivity, which brings us to the question of infrastructure. If we spend on infrastructure like we spent on World War II, we will have the world's best infrastructure and the world's highest productivity and there will be no harmful inflation and very low unemployment and the ELR ranks will thin out.

So the answer to the minimum wage question is federal spending: ELR and infrastructure. That brings up the last question: the budget.

Q1: For the taxpayers, is our “national debt” really a burden that must be repaid?
A1: No. For the taxpayers, it lacks those two qualities of a real debt. It’s a “Debt In Name Only”, a “DINO”-**

1. THE DINO IS NOT NOW AND NEVER WILL BE A TAXPAYER BURDEN.

The DINO is the total value of all maturing treasuries. By calling the DINO “unsustainable”, Wall Street con artists, plotting to privatize Social Security and make a fortune in commissions, have panicked the public, politicians, and journalists. But actually, it is not the taxpayers but the buyers of newly-issued treasuries who, in a virtual bond rollover, pay for redemption of the mature treasuries. In every auction, more bonds are demanded than are available. Auction winners get the safest, most liquid US dollar instruments; the losers are stuck with bank risk. If it were ever necessary, the Fed, with cost-free keystrokes, could create a demand for treasuries by buying large quantities in the open market. The taxpayer is NEVER burdened but almost all US voters are swallowing whole the Wall Street hoax!

Our Treasury is like a bank accepting money offered for certificates of deposit. While a bank with too many bad loans can certainly have too many maturing CDs, our non-lending Treasury cannot have too many maturing bonds unless its deficit spending is causing harmful inflation. And that happens ONLY in a war or emergency requiring rationing. It NEVER happens during a recession. During prosperity, banks are ALWAYS the main cause of inflation, creating over $6 of credit for every $1 of deficit spending. To curb inflation, regulate banks before cutting infrastructure projects.

2. THE DINO WILL NEVER BE REPAID AND SHOULD NEVER BE REPAID.

Only a budget surplus can reduce the DINO. Since Truman, no President has reduced the DINO and no annual budget surplus is now in sight. Indeed, to supply enough treasuries, the ONLY risk-free instruments used for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., THE DINO MUST GROW WITH OUR ECONOMY. In fact, deflation and then depression will hit us hard unless large budget deficits replace the cash that we are now exporting.

Q2: Could savers make a “run” on US Treasury bonds?
A2: Only when savers can get risk-free returns from the Wall Street casino or from GM bonds, Illinois bonds, or Detroit bonds. Safety is not everything. Safety is the ONLY thing! That’s why the whole world relies on US bonds.

Q3. Could savers stop buying US Treasury bonds?
A3. Only when nobody needs risk-free interest for trade collateral, insurance, pensions, bank reserves, etc., etc.

Q4: Could savers prefer foreign sovereign bonds?
A4: Yes, indeed! Now, almost two thirds of the world’s reserve currencies are in US dollars and about half of all US Treasury bonds are held by foreigners. But if China’s infrastructure and productivity become better than ours, its sovereign bonds could become safer than ours. And that could happen only if US voters let their DINO concerns stop the renewal of falling bridges, failing schools, leaking sewers, creaking railroads, aging power grids, etc., etc.

Q5: Won’t we need higher tax rates to pay for infrastructure?
A5: The federal government needs taxes but not for spending. Just as you would destroy your redeemed IOUs, the IRS destroys its receipts, actually shredding bills and melting coins for scrap. Since Congress cannot touch a cent of tax revenue, it creates new money out of thin air (just like your bank creates loans), deposits it in the Treasury, and spends it with checks. The Treasury auctions bonds to finance deficits that are limited ONLY by the will of Congress.

The ONLY rational reason to restrict deficit spending is the onset of harmful inflation. Until then, Congress can finance both the DINO’s annual debt interest and our much-needed infrastructure. Every day, you fill your kitchen sink with water AND you prevent it from overflowing. Why can’t Congress fill our economy with money building infrastructure AND prevent harmful inflation? China builds 24/7 without harmful inflation. Why can’t we do that?

Q6: How can increasing the DINO be good for the economy?
A6: Every federal dollar spent and not taxed is saved by the private sector. Yes! DEFICITS = SAVINGS! The bad “Debt Clock” is also the good “Assets Clock”. Since we are exporting cash, deficit spending is our economy’s SOLE source of savings! Well, our (DINO + total bank deposits) / GDP ratio is less than half of China’s comparable figure and our M2 (money supply) / GDP ratio is half of Switzerland’s ratio and one fourth of Hong Kong’s ratio. To become and stay prosperous, we need to DOUBLE the DINO / GDP ratio to return it to the World War II level that was followed by 35 years of prosperity without harmful inflation. Ask Grandma how it was in the good old days!

Q7: How much should Congress tax and spend?
A7: Ideally, Congress should tax just enough to prevent harmful inflation and should spend almost enough to cause full employment (and harmful inflation). Result: low unemployment and low inflation.

Instead, bribed by Wall Street, Congress taxes as little as possible, enriching the rich, and spends as little as possible, impoverishing the rest of us by restricting deficits / savings. Just as quacks killed George Washington by bleeding his “bad blood”, Congress is destroying our younger generations by reducing (possibly to zero!) our annual budget deficits / private sector savings increase / consumer demand. And, by bribing Congress to pass austerity budgets, the Wall Street charlatans are deliberately nursing a huge army of unemployed labor to suppress the wages and working conditions of the shrinking middle class.

Result: recessions, high unemployment, an army of unemployed labor, a growing under-class, a scared work force, declining wages and consumer demand: a downward spiral of despair threatening deflation and depression. Growing inequality will create a land of slums and gated communities: Hell on Earth!

Austerity today deprives our grandchildren of infrastructure that would surely enrich and possibly save their lives. We must educate all of them now and employ all of our resources to build the infrastructure that they will need when they become parents. Let’s follow Presidents Lincoln (railways, telegraph, land-grant colleges), Theodore Roosevelt (National Parks, Panama Canal), and FDR (TVA, PWA, WPA, etc.)

Q8: How should one vote?
A8: Vote only for someone who NEVER EVER worries about the DINO and who ALWAYS worries about Americans looking for work and reluctantly drawing benefits forever instead of building infrastructure.


Q9: “I have to balance my budget. Why doesn’t Congress balance its budget?”
A9: If you could legally print money in your attic, why would you balance your budget? Congress only needs to balance full employment against harmful inflation. Why is something so simple so hard to see?

To stay ahead of China, please help me convince voters that Congress, limited ONLY by the onset of harmful inflation, must build infrastructure”…to promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…” Please copy and distribute thi
s message wherever you can.
Rules of the game: To win the argument, you must d... (show quote)


Excellent post, clear and concise. Thank you

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Dec 29, 2013 11:03:01   #
Ve'hoe
 
"taxes fund the govt"

so STFU yourself moron


MarvinSussman wrote:
Of course the federal government taxes and spends. I never denied that. That has nothing to do with A5.

Exactly how did you disprove A5? Quote the first sentence in A5 that you "disprove" and explain exactly how it is wrong.

Be an adult or STFU!

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Dec 29, 2013 11:03:37   #
MarvinSussman
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
The big problem is Marvin doesn't believe in the creation or destruction of wealth. He believes like Friedman and Keynes in zero gain economics. That the "pie" cannot be made larger or smaller, but only the pieces of the "pie" may be distributed differently.

It is a fundamental difference in perspective that I haven't been able to address. But that is the root of the issue.


You are making stuff up. Learn how to read.

Quote the first sentence of my essay with which you disagree and explain your disagreement.

Be an adult or STFU!

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