son of witless

Communism begins with a Commune. It can work with small homogenous groups. With large diverse populations it falls apart. It comes down to property rights. If you own what you earn, you care more. Communism does not allow ownership. Well connected parasites feed off of the whole.

The neo Communists in the Democratic Party use class jealousy to break down the idea of property rights among the weak minded. These modern day Robin Hoods have been quite successful.

Capitalism uses competition among producers to ensure that greed is a positive for society. Work harder, make a better product cheaper, take care of the customer better, and you are rewarded. Our Marxist-Crony Capitalist rulers work hard to destroy those incentives. Career bureaucrats are used to control. Private wealth is a threat to these people.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Pseudo intellectual and ugliness, that is the President.

VladimirPee

Communism usually requires totalitarian enforcement . The only exception I can think of is the Israeli Kibbutz's.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

The Kibbutz has worked only for a short period of time. We'll see how long lasting it is if it survives for a century.

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

Big Mike, "Capitalism works despite human nature to a point?" The typical state of mankind is tyranny, servitude, and misery. In a little more than 200 years since the Industrial Revolution and the advent of capitalism (another word for savings invested), poverty has so diminished that world population this year will reach 7 billion — an impossible feat if the world’s poor weren’t getting richer.

Since 1800, per capita income has skyrocketed 10-fold, freeing billions from dependency on their rulers or their governments. Capitalism inherited poverty, began overcoming it and must still fight it every day (just read this blogs pejorative comments about capitalism) because wealth must be created every day. Marxists at first complained that capitalism kept the poor both hungry and poor. Now they complain capitalism makes poor people fat.

If you need proof that poor people around the world are getting richer through capitalism (even minimally practiced), you need only look at world population. World population is now 7 billion, it took until 1800 for world population to reach 1 billion people, as starvation, slavery and early death prevented advancement. Three cheer for CAPITALISM & FREEDOM.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Mike, the Kibbutzim was only required for relatively short periods of time. Once the Kibbutzim was established, they were primarily agricultural at inception, they then morphed into small towns. They rarely remained "Communes". They were always established in unoccupied areas, away from cities and towns. This was necessary as they required vast areas for their agricultural pursuits.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Don't freak! I'm as committed to capitalism and freedom as much as anyone, however, big banking interests have too much freedom to create fiat money out of thin air and water down the value of our currency. They make insane loans to third world countries and call the interest they haven't yet received "assets". When those loans don't get paid back American taxpayers pick up the tab in a devaluation of currency that mimics inflation. The Fed monkeys with interest rates and has the gall to complain about China doing the same thing. We'd all be better served in the long run if the business cycle were allowed to happen naturally. The Fed is milking us like cows and I don't like it. I'm also sick of the access businesses and unions have in Washington. Between that and our monetary policy we've allowed an oligarchy to grow that treats us all like shit. So yes, I stick to my post that there is a point at which capitalism turns into something else. The overdoing of ANYTHING can be bad.

The divide between the haves and have-nots is growing, and trust me, the haves are capitalists, with exceptions of course like Soros, and he may be a capitalist who has seen a way to expand his wealth and influence through socialism. Read "The Creature From Jekyll Island" and learn how much banking cartels influence everything about our society.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Vast areas? In Israel? :lol:

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

OK. How about "relatively large areas", for Israel. :lol:

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

:thumbup: :lol:

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

You are correct in much of what you write and undoubtedly you know, except for Hamilton most of the founders were opposed to a national (or central) bank and opposed to paper money. It's is pretty well documented that the Federal Reserve took a typical business cycle downturn and turned it into the Great Depression. A Central Bank is not an integral part of Capitalism (unless it is private as F.A. Hayek advocated). Murray Rothbard has explained how The Federal Reserve causes booms and busts and Milton Friedman describe how the Federal Reserve accentuated the Great Depression by reducing the money supply by about 1/3. After all is said and done the "Haves" have a lot but so do the "Have Nots" have a lot --- under our system. For everyone to be equal in poverty is not something that should be advocated.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Fred, could you please hit "quote reply" under the post(s) with which you choose to respond? Other readers would like knowing to whom you're referring.

Almost invariably, new posters fail to do this. Thanks! :wink:

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Oh yeah, and that's exactly what's been going on since 1913 - equal poverty for all. Send the prosperity from rich nations to poor nations - as long as whatever tin-horn dictator running them wants to play ball. Make everyone is equally desperate, but pliable. Some folks who you would swear were capitalists have been in on this.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

You beat me to it Slatten49, I was just about to say that when I finished the page.
Thanx.

Fred Schnaubelt Loc: San Diego

Big Mike, It is unclear what you are trying to say. The banks in effect are subsidiaries of the this government, true. Nonetheless we still have the richest poor people in the world, in fact, richer than nearly all kings and queens, princes and potentates of just 150 years ago. Furthermore, most "big businessmen" are not capitalists nor defenders of capitalism. See: Romancing The Voters Chapter 15, or "Can Capitalism Survive" by Ben Rogge.