Sicilianthing

Just in Case... Everyone should be Locked n Loaded at the ready since Obama has many Wild Cards left to play.

Hillary may be sacrificed for the Club or could have another Ending Stroke ...




Please send this to everyone.



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Creepy thought experiment: What if we go into the election with one candidate?

BY JAZZ SHAW

It’s not even Labor Day yet, so we’ve got some time to while away until the general election in November. With that in mind, let’s pause to think the formerly unthinkable. (Or at least the unlikely.) What happens if we get right up to the final couple of weeks before everyone heads to the polls and we suddenly only have one major party candidate still standing and in competition?

That’s the rather odd, but at least theoretically possible question posited by Steven Nelson at US News and World Report this week. The possible answers seem to range from nothing much with the process moving forward as it normally does to a delayed election or one which takes place without anyone voting.

The presidential election could be delayed or scrapped altogether if conspiracy theories become predictive and a candidate dies or drops out before Nov. 8. The perhaps equally startling alternative, if there’s enough time: Small groups of people hand-picking a replacement pursuant to obscure party rules.

The scenarios have been seriously considered by few outside of the legal community and likely are too morbid for polite discussion in politically mixed company. But prominent law professors have pondered the effects and possible ways to address a late-date vacancy.

“There’s nothing in the Constitution which requires a popular election for the electors serving in the Electoral College,” says John Nagle, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, meaning the body that officially elects presidents could convene without the general public voting.

“It’s up to each state legislature to decide how they want to choose the state’s electors,” Nagle says. “It may be a situation in which the fact that we have an Electoral College, rather than direct voting for presidential candidates, may prove to be helpful.”

To get the obvious point out of the way, this discussion is clearly pinging off of two theories which are popular in certain corners of the social media swamp these days. One holds that Hillary Clinton is actually so incredibly ill that she’s virtually at death’s doorstep and could kick the bucket before November 8th. The other is that Donald Trump is a Manchurian Candidate for the Democrats and he’ll throw in the towel and walk away before anyone gets a chance to vote for him. But even if you subscribe to one (or both?) of these ideas, what happens next?

Interestingly enough, if it happened too close to the election, Article II of the Constitution probably allows moving the election back a few weeks to give voters time to adjust to the new choices. (Moving it beyond January 20 would be problematic for obvious reasons.) Whether the election date is moved or not, we’d probably still wind up with two names on the ballot.

The DNC rules allow them to simply convene a majority of the members of the Democratic National Committee and pick a replacement for Hillary – literally anyone they like with no input from anyone else. The Republicans have a couple more options. The RNC could either vote among themselves like the DNC or they could jointly decide to reconvene the Cleveland convention and have the delegates fight it out to pick a replacement.

The author’s most enticing proposition is that the electoral college would just convene anyway and pick a president without anyone voting. I’m not going to flatly gainsay a group of constitutional scholars on that one, but I’ll just say that it would require a rather… inventive reading of the Constitution. I’m equally sure it would wind up being challenged in court.

You can also speculate on what happens if the running mate either dies or drops out. It almost happened once already.

In another case, Republican running mate James Sherman died six days before the 1912 general election. He wasn’t replaced on ballots and the matter was rendered moot by the GOP’s crushing defeat.
Hopefully (and in all likelihood) none of this matters because it won’t come to pass. Just something to chew over on a Wednesday.

PeterS

What are you smoking Sici? You become more of a lunatic with each post...

Sicilianthing

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Actually I am almost prepared for any outcome.

The biggest threat we face is what will the rest of you clowns do when they try to enforce their Para Military Unconstitutional Police state or Martial Law on us ?

I know for a fact you have never studied the vast contingency plans the Gov't has in place to lock us down in the event of extraordinary circumstances like this Topic.

So why don't you shut up and educate yourself for once.

JimMe

Sicilianthing...

There is a scenario you, and the Political Pundits you've used, have not addressed... And that is:

The Presidential Elections go on WITHOUT ANY CHANGES...

The Deceased Presidential Candidate's Appearance on EVERY STATE'S BALLOT merely means THE POPULOUS WILL BE VOTING FOR THE DECEASED'S ELECTORATE... If there are a Majority of Electorates Won in a State, that State Sends Their Electorates to Washington DC and the Votes are Tallied... If the Deceased Wins the Presidency, NOTHING NEED BE DONE UNTIL JANUARY 20, 2017... At Noon,January 20, 2017, the Winning Vice-Presidential is Sworn-In... Then the Current Vice-President, which so happens to be the newly Sworn-In Vice-President IS SWORN-IN AS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT...

The Office of Vice-President is then filled based on the 25th Amendment where the President Nominates a Vice-Presidential Candidate and the Both Houses of Congress Concur with a Majority Vote...

Sicilianthing

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I just read something like that but the 2nd amendment says otherwise and has to oblige the 20th amendment where all Presidential terms expire no matter what on Jan 3.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

So let me get this straight. There's a question about what would happen if one of the presidential candidates were to drop out? Well, I'm sure the electorate would be able to pick one from this (very long) list:

https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2016

I didn't count them, but it's a lot!

Sicilianthing

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Ha, C'mon Larry there is nothing there when I click the link, Ha!

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

That's interesting. It works just fine when I click on it. You wouldn't be trying to figgellie-jinny old Larry now would you? In any case, there's 1798 names on the list. That's not a typo. One thousand, seven hundred and ninety eight declared contenders for President of the United States in 2016. The point is, if one candidate was to drop out (for any reason or cause), that would have an infinitesimal effect on the election as a whole. It never ceases to amaze me how the media can fool the huge majority of people into believing that there are only 2 candidates in presidential elections.

Bottom line - the question is unfounded in reality. Sure, the party losing the candidate may howl and scream about their loss but the election as it is would not be affected. I believe it is called a non-sequitur.

Sicilianthing

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I pray you are right but prepare for War in the process leading up to the Wild Card Nov 8.

JimMe

Sicilianthing...

When you said "the 2nd Amendment says otherwise" I believe you meant "the 2nd Article"...

The 20th Amendment states:

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

So, the President's and Vice-President's term ends January 20th... Congress' terms end January 3rd...

I used the 25th Amendment because, before the 25th Amendment, there was NO Provision for Filling the Vice-President's Office if it was Vacated...

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I say the election would go on as normal. There might be a pause to see that the death of the candidate was natural or not.

Sicilianthing

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There you go, that's the one, that's right, Thank You for correcting me.

I know it's in my brain somewhere just can't always recall it right.

I have my pocket constitution on me at all times and I will review it again now.

SemperFI !

Sicilianthing

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I pray you are right Floyd I really do, but you have to be seriously prepared for NOT.

Better safe than surprised off guard and a sorry ass.