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Dec 17, 2013 02:48:10   #
oz89 Loc: California
 
ginnyt wrote:
True to a point. There was a historical Santa, a real live human being that is part of history. Have traditions, but do not distort the truth.


Now sadly this is not taught to kids that Santa Claus was a real person, and maybe if the story was told then this subject would not be an issue.

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Dec 21, 2013 10:48:49   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
Any one with half a brain knows in his heart that there no 'physical' Santa. Having said that, out side of children on the night before Christmas There is a Santa and he's in our mind and hearts. This means that he can be and look like any way you want him to be White, black, or two tone. He could be a hungry looking Salvation Army bell ringer to a drunk bell ringing Santa in the red light district, along with the two ladies who also believe. And that my friends is 'reality'



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Dec 21, 2013 10:56:19   #
VladimirPee
 
Nice try but the Santa figure was created in Northern Europe and depicts a combination of Kris Kringle and St Nicholas. He is white as much as Zeus, Hercules and Thor, Superman are white. You can't simply change folklore for diversity.

pappadeux wrote:
Any one with half a brain knows in his heart that there no 'physical' Santa. Having said that, out side of children on the night before Christmas There is a Santa and he's in our mind and hearts. This means that he can be and look like any way you want him to be White, black, or two tone. He could be a hungry looking Salvation Army bell ringer to a drunk bell ringing Santa in the red light district, along with the two ladies who also believe. And that my friends is 'reality'

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Dec 21, 2013 12:58:45   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
DennisDee wrote:
Nice try but the Santa figure was created in Northern Europe and depicts a combination of Kris Kringle and St Nicholas. He is white as much as Zeus, Hercules and Thor, Superman are white. You can't simply change folklore for diversity.


Dennis, I know that your facts are correct. But I also know that what pappadeux wrote is true. There is no physical Santa, hence Santa is in our hearts and souls. That is not destroying Christmas, but is adding to it in my view. I am quite a severe conservative, and I think that is what Santa is too.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:30:04   #
VladimirPee
 
So if historically Santa is white what is the motivation to change him if not racism? Shouldn't we be color blind by now?


Tasine wrote:
Dennis, I know that your facts are correct. But I also know that what pappadeux wrote is true. There is no physical Santa, hence Santa is in our hearts and souls. That is not destroying Christmas, but is adding to it in my view. I am quite a severe conservative, and I think that is what Santa is too.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:40:23   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
DennisDee wrote:
So if historically Santa is white what is the motivation to change him if not racism? Shouldn't we be color blind by now?


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Yes, we certainly SHOULD. Unfortunately the racists simply cannot allow racism to die a dignified death as they should. And I didn't say what I said to hurt you, but I just wanted to give my view re the "argument" at hand. Hopefully we are still "buds"?

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Dec 21, 2013 13:57:51   #
VladimirPee
 
Tasine we are good. You see changing the race of a traditional white person in folklore to make blacks feel better or more accepting only promotes more division and racism.

Tasine wrote:
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Yes, we certainly SHOULD. Unfortunately the racists simply cannot allow racism to die a dignified death as they should. And I didn't say what I said to hurt you, but I just wanted to give my view re the "argument" at hand. Hopefully we are still "buds"?

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Dec 21, 2013 19:18:20   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
Tasine wrote:
Dennis, I know that your facts are correct. But I also know that what pappadeux wrote is true. There is no physical Santa, hence Santa is in our hearts and souls. That is not destroying Christmas, but is adding to it in my view. I am quite a severe conservative, and I think that is what Santa is too.


:thumbup: Absolutely. The fact is that every child wants to feel that they belong. My Spanish was never all that good -- I got by though at the clinic where I worked. One day, a young mother and her (maybe 5 year old) got on the elevator with me. I told the little girl in my "best" Spanish how pretty she looked in her summer dress. My, her eyes sparkled, she got really animated and then said something rather quickly I didn't quite catch. Her mother said her daughter was so happy that I "spoke -- just like her." While I know the "original" Santa was from Turkey, why not let children be children and have their make believe Santa be "just like them." I truly see no harm.

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Dec 21, 2013 19:30:34   #
VladimirPee
 
so you belong by teaching kids they should only accept gifts from a Santa with their skin color? Doesn't that defeat the point of multiculturalism?

Searching wrote:
:thumbup: Absolutely. The fact is that every child wants to feel that they belong. My Spanish was never all that good -- I got by though at the clinic where I worked. One day, a young mother and her (maybe 5 year old) got on the elevator with me. I told the little girl in my "best" Spanish how pretty she looked in her summer dress. My, her eyes sparkled, she got really animated and then said something rather quickly I didn't quite catch. Her mother said her daughter was so happy that I "spoke -- just like her." While I know the "original" Santa was from Turkey, why not let children be children and have their make believe Santa be "just like them." I truly see no harm.
:thumbup: Absolutely. The fact is that every chil... (show quote)

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Dec 21, 2013 21:11:37   #
rumitoid
 
Armageddun wrote:
That's the same take that unbeliever use on the Bible.
The Bible says, "The fool has said in heart heart, there is no God."

The Redskins
I agree with our Native American population---I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as warriors, but nay, nay.... We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

Very good, brother. Thank you.







Let's ditch The Kansas City Chiefs, The Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of the militant Blacks from the 60's alive. Gone. Offensive to us white folk.

The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war between the states that cost this country so many young men's lives.

Besides, the South shall rise again!!

I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our football team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres. The fact that there are birds on their shirts does not protect either the Arizona or the St. Louis Cardinals---gone!

Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged as their way of life. We are talking the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children---and it is all about the children.

The Green Bay Packers and the St. Louis Rams--promote gay men. Wrong message to our children.

The San Diego chargers promote irresponsible spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity--a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children.

The Milwaukee Brewers---well, that goes without saying.... Wrong message to our children.

So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should. A high priority directly behind efficiently managing our country's health care. Amen.
That's the same take that unbeliever use on the Bi... (show quote)

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Dec 21, 2013 21:29:21   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
DennisDee wrote:
Tasine we are good. You see changing the race of a traditional white person in folklore to make blacks feel better or more accepting only promotes more division and racism.


Dennis, I most respectfully disagree with you about changing anything except habit.

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Dec 21, 2013 21:43:43   #
rumitoid
 
Human nature: "the stuff of star dust and cow dung." No race or culture or person (or political party) is excluded. We will make mistakes with the best intentions and the worst. No one is exempt. To the extreme: do we really think that the capitulation to Hitler by Christian had the foreknowledge of what would come? They were not siding with a monster; they were siding with a man that seems to be restoring both dignity and economic prosperity for their once thoroughly humiliated and broken country. One Christian told then differently. Suddenly, that Christian promoting basic Christian values was a liberal agitator, being alone in opposition, espousing a social justice. Adolph Bultmann. Pinko slim. Or so went the way of Germany then. Look deeply, not just closely.

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Dec 22, 2013 02:39:56   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
DennisDee wrote:
so you belong by teaching kids they should only accept gifts from a Santa with their skin color? Doesn't that defeat the point of multiculturalism?


You miss my point. Children are ego-centric, the world as they see it revolves around "them" -- they are innocents not concerned with the adult agendas of the world. I suspect that as a blonde haired, blue eyed child, I would have been surprised to see a Santa NOT "just like me". I don't know for sure how children of other ethnicities react to a Santa NOT like them, but I suspect all children EXPECT Santa to look "just like them." As I said above, the world revolves around them. As adults, many of us see it important to be all inclusive, which in reality, in my opinion any way, erases some of the uniqueness of all of us, in order for multiculturalism to work. Let children be children for as long as they can. They grow up too soon as it is and have to take on the weight of the adult world at far too young an age. In keeping with the spirit of Christmas, I rest my peace and I say Merry Christmas.

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Dec 22, 2013 07:58:21   #
VladimirPee
 
But that has not been the case. There are no reported stories on widespread rejection of a white Santa by Black Kids. This is being engineered by racist parents not kids.


Searching wrote:
You miss my point. Children are ego-centric, the world as they see it revolves around "them" -- they are innocents not concerned with the adult agendas of the world. I suspect that as a blonde haired, blue eyed child, I would have been surprised to see a Santa NOT "just like me". I don't know for sure how children of other ethnicities react to a Santa NOT like them, but I suspect all children EXPECT Santa to look "just like them." As I said above, the world revolves around them. As adults, many of us see it important to be all inclusive, which in reality, in my opinion any way, erases some of the uniqueness of all of us, in order for multiculturalism to work. Let children be children for as long as they can. They grow up too soon as it is and have to take on the weight of the adult world at far too young an age. In keeping with the spirit of Christmas, I rest my peace and I say Merry Christmas.
You miss my point. Children are ego-centric, the ... (show quote)

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Dec 22, 2013 08:29:55   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
DennisDee wrote:
But that has not been the case. There are no reported stories on widespread rejection of a white Santa by Black Kids. This is being engineered by racist parents not kids.


I would love to be able to poll children and ask if Santa is "just like them." I doubt that I could bring myself to do it though because I wouldn't want to intrude on their innocence. I can remember being 6 years old (so, so long ago), sitting at the dinner table with my parents, my father, a racist to the max, who used the dinner table nightly to sling racial slurs. If there wasn't already a slur for whatever ethnicity, you could be sure that he would invent one. After one particularly vicious diatribe, I interrupted him and said "but Daddy, why are you so mad at them, they're just like us." He was rendered totally speechless for a bit. However, I often look back at that incident and marvel that after my comment I was still at the dining room table. I am blessed that my father's lack of humanity somehow didn't get passed on to me. I honestly don't know what the answer is to this puzzle. We "could" argue this one forever, but perhaps it is time for ALL to agree to disagree on this one.

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