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Aug 4, 2016 11:28:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
nwtk, What question. You just made several statements, and I tried to give you my take on it.


I asked where you got THAT information?

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Aug 4, 2016 11:59:20   #
CarolSeer2016
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
nwtk, I do not believe that we have God's blessing no matter what we do. If Putin is a Christian, how do you explain the thievery, brutality and murder that he has taken part in. Some Christian!
We don't regime change, we elect our leaders and keep our Constitution. In Russia, it's who has the most power and is willing to do anything to get and keep power.
Russia has invaded several countries and has stolen their territory. The last time we did that was the Spanish-American War at the beginning of the twentieth century. All the other wars have either been in defense of our allies or ourselves. It is true that the cold war saw conflict in Korea which invaded an ally of the US, and Viet Nam which caused tremendous upheaval in the US and it's political system. In any case, we have not taken any other countries territory, and we are a liberal democracy. As imperfect as the US is, we are far away from being a dictatorship in which the power of the people and the freedom of speech and information have been extremely limited.
nwtk, I do not believe that we have God's blessing... (show quote)


Where DO you get your so-called "facts", salt? Did you forget that I know things you do not know?

You, or your attitude, offends me because it is typically American: These "facts" are my received wisdom, and because this is what I have been taught and because I am an American, that makes them true.

It is just that sort of self-righteousness and pretentiousness that I find abhorrent in (most) Americans. (See below):

Self-righteousness:

confident of one's own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

Pretentiousness:
1.
characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved:
a pretentious, self-important waiter.
2.
making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
3.
full of pretense or pretension; having no factual basis; false.

Perhaps this self-righteousness and pretentiousness is an attempt to hide much deeper feelings of inferiority. What do you think?

You might learn something from my new topic: "Draw Your Own Conclusions": http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-78116-1.html#1628889

Then again, you might not.

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Aug 4, 2016 12:01:48   #
CarolSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And where did you get THAT information? The US propaganda machine?

For you religious folk, Putin was born Christian in the cover of religious repression. He did a recent visit to the church where he was baptized and his mother's funeral was held. He intrudes in other countries less than the US. He doesn't regime change like we do.

You have this notion that we have god's blessing no matter what we do.

Time to grow up into the real world. We have had much pulled over out eyes.
And where did you get THAT information? The US pro... (show quote)


Thanks, nwtk. I find it difficult to engage with know-it-all salt.

I replied to him a short while ago. Hope you get to read it. It will absolutely be my last response to salt's idiocy, which is based on his feeling that ALL other peoples of the world are inferior to Americans. Yuck!!!!

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Aug 4, 2016 12:57:32   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Carol, Do you really believe that this Russian monster is a good guy? My sources of information are the NY Times, The Washington Post, CNN and major network news. I believe them a hell of a lot more than I believe the controlled press of mother Russia! My family came to this country from Russia in 1911. They left Russia because of the intense anti- Semitism of the Czar which manifested itself in pogroms and all kinds of anti- Jewish laws. I studied history in college. In fact I majored in it. Some of the courses relevant to my expertise or lack of same came from History of Civilization 1 and 2, History of Russia 1 and 2, US history 2, social and political philosophy,and political science 1. Obviously I am not an expert in Russian history, but at least I have a working knowledge of the subject.
What the hell do you know that I don't?
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Where DO you get your so-called "facts", salt? Did you forget that I know things you do not know?

You, or your attitude, offends me because it is typically American: These "facts" are my received wisdom, and because this is what I have been taught and because I am an American, that makes them true.

It is just that sort of self-righteousness and pretentiousness that I find abhorrent in (most) Americans. (See below):

Self-righteousness:

confident of one's own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

Pretentiousness:
1.
characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved:
a pretentious, self-important waiter.
2.
making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
3.
full of pretense or pretension; having no factual basis; false.

Perhaps this self-righteousness and pretentiousness is an attempt to hide much deeper feelings of inferiority. What do you think?

You might learn something from my new topic: "Draw Your Own Conclusions": http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-78116-1.html#1628889

Then again, you might not.
Where DO you get your so-called "facts",... (show quote)

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Aug 4, 2016 12:58:21   #
CarolSeer2016
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, Do you really believe that this Russian monster is a good guy? My sources of information are the NY Times, The Washington Post, CNN and major network news. I believe them a hell of a lot more than I believe the controlled press of mother Russia! My family came to this country from Russia in 1911. They left Russia because of the intense anti- Semitism of the Czar which manifested itself in pogroms and all kinds of anti- Jewish laws. I studied history in college. In fact I majored in it. Some of the courses relevant to my expertise or lack of same came from History of Civilization 1 and 2, History of Russia 1 and 2, US history 2, social and political philosophy,and political science 1. Obviously I am not an expert in Russian history, but at least I have a working knowledge of the subject.
What the hell do you know that I don't?
Carol, Do you really believe that this Russian mon... (show quote)


Get lost, salt. I don't even read your comments. Nothing instructional. Do you not have a brain? Or ears?

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Aug 4, 2016 13:15:50   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Carol, If you love Russia so much, go there. I'm sure that you would be very happy living under the Putin dictatorship. By the way, I don't give a rat's ass if you like my comments or not. As long as you promote an advisory of the United States and a corrupt dictatorship, I will comment on it!
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Get lost, salt. I don't even read your comments. Nothing instructional. Do you not have a brain? Or ears?

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Aug 4, 2016 13:23:18   #
KiraSeer2016
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, If you love Russia so much, go there. I'm sure that you would be very happy living under the Putin dictatorship. By the way, I don't give a rat's ass if you like my comments or not. As long as you promote an advisory of the United States and a corrupt dictatorship, I will comment on it!


I told you, get lost. Nothing you say is of any consequence. Are you deaf AND dumb?

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Aug 4, 2016 13:38:27   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
No, just pretty! Why are you a traitor to the US?
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
I told you, get lost. Nothing you say is of any consequence. Are you deaf AND dumb?

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Aug 4, 2016 13:41:45   #
KiraSeer2016
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
No, just pretty! Why are you a traitor to the US?


Putin has been asked to take on the challenges now confronting the world. America is weak, decadent and matriarchal; she cannot help anyone.

Why do you care?

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Aug 4, 2016 13:45:31   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Thanks, nwtk. I find it difficult to engage with know-it-all salt.

I replied to him a short while ago. Hope you get to read it. It will absolutely be my last response to salt's idiocy, which is based on his feeling that ALL other peoples of the world are inferior to Americans. Yuck!!!!


He's very typical of an America which has a stereotypical view of "Russia" and Russians. We sometimes forget that we were allies in WWII.

Americans simply don't pay attention or think too much for themselves. Maybe all peoples of the world are guilty of that.

My friends in Russia and my friends here who have married Russian people and done business over there have a much different attitude about it.

Too many judge Russia forever based upon Lenin and Stalin. I certainly hope they don't judge the American people on the likes of Obama and Bush. I could name a few others.

Salt needs to compare the US actions over the past 50 years compared to those of Russia.

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Aug 4, 2016 13:47:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
No, just pretty! Why are you a traitor to the US?


Why is America a traitor to itself??

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Aug 4, 2016 13:47:29   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
He's very typical of an America which has a stereotypical view of "Russia" and Russians. We sometimes forget that we were allies in WWII.

Americans simply don't pay attention or think too much for themselves. Maybe all peoples of the world are guilty of that.

My friends in Russia and my friends here who have married Russian people and done business over there have a much different attitude about it.

Too many judge Russia forever based upon Lenin and Stalin. I certainly hope they don't judge the American people on the likes of Obama and Bush. I could name a few others.

Salt needs to compare the US actions over the past 50 years compared to those of Russia.
He's very typical of an America which has a stereo... (show quote)


I'm having a hard time NOT judging Americans on the basis of one arrogant idiot---salt.

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Aug 4, 2016 13:49:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, Do you really believe that this Russian monster is a good guy? My sources of information are the NY Times, The Washington Post, CNN and major network news. I believe them a hell of a lot more than I believe the controlled press of mother Russia! My family came to this country from Russia in 1911. They left Russia because of the intense anti- Semitism of the Czar which manifested itself in pogroms and all kinds of anti- Jewish laws. I studied history in college. In fact I majored in it. Some of the courses relevant to my expertise or lack of same came from History of Civilization 1 and 2, History of Russia 1 and 2, US history 2, social and political philosophy,and political science 1. Obviously I am not an expert in Russian history, but at least I have a working knowledge of the subject.
What the hell do you know that I don't?
Carol, Do you really believe that this Russian mon... (show quote)


There are two possibilities about your sources salt, either they too are controlled by the mother US, the gummint, or they control the gummint!

Which is it??

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Aug 4, 2016 13:50:08   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Why is America a traitor to itself??


You know that saying about prophets: "A prophet is without honor in his own family and in his own country." That is because they speak what their family and their country do not want to hear.

Anyway, what I find comforting is what God said to Jeremiah: "I ordained you a prophet to the nations". Plural. All peoples of the world are God's peoples.

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Aug 4, 2016 13:58:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
You know that saying about prophets: "A prophet is without honor in his own family and in his own country." That is because they speak what their family and their country do not want to hear.

Anyway, what I find comforting is what God said to Jeremiah: "I ordained you a prophet to the nations". Plural. All peoples of the world are God's peoples.


I know that verse well. And yet, he rode into Jerusalem to the cheers of crowds!

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