Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

God does not roll the dice nor play games. Your logic is faulty and based on a misconception.

In the beginning God created. He set rules and they were broken. He eventuality sent His Son who taught the new.rules. God observes. What you don't see is that although God can see ahead, He doesn't have to do so. He allows things to unfold and outcomes depend on if man is following His rules.

Many believe the second coming of Christ is drawing near because man has disobeyed so badly God is coming closer to fulfill Revelation Prophecy. Time will tell.

You feel that since God can see ahead, He has to. The Bible teaches that many of man's emotional make.up directly emulate those of God. Jealously, anger etc. If it pleases God to not look ahead because He wants man to choose wisely, and would please God if man voluntarily chose Him and His rules, who are we to discredit God's judgement?

Many have felt as.you but have come to realize that attempting to apply man's logic and reasoning to God is fruitless. To do that always leads to confusion because to expect God to behave as man is false. To.do so is limiting God to man's judgement and doesn't work.

Faith.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

The Old Testament was the old covenant between God and man. The New Testament is the new and applicable covenant as taught by Christ.

Old = historical documentation of the old covenent and way of life during those times.

New = the guide to life under the new Covenant.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

So you're saying all truth is relative. There is no absolute truth.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

What do you find so difficult to understand?

Who told you that any Christian NEEDS a gun?
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Who told you that any Christian can't enjoy target practice or hunting?

Who told.you that God controls our every move and protects us from everything?

Where do you get these ridiculous ideas?

What do you not undetstand about free will?

You can choose to enter my home and attack my family. I can choose to defend them with a ball bat or a 44 magnum.

If.you think God is directing your action to attack my family or mine to blow you across the street, you are so far off base it.is ridiculous.

That would make every action of every human on earth directly being controlled by God and if you believe that you are sick.

If you believe that no wonder you have such a twisted and faulty understanding. You are denying something that simply doesn't exist, namely your skewed perception of Christianity. You are correct. THAT Christianity DOES NOT exist. The closest I can think of are the charismatics that handle snakes because they believe it is openly showing their faith in God and AT THAT MOMENT they are protected. And on occasion one is bitten and there have been deaths. So much for that.

If someone taught you this ridiculous concept in School somewhere, get your money back because instead of teaching Christianity, what they taught was their sick.opinion. if you learned this in some church I suggest you research it and see if it is a real church..

Have you been under the assumption that Christians believe this sillyness? When was the last time you heard of a Christian ealking off a cliff because he believed God would keep him from injury?

Do you understand the concept of tempting God.

Do you understand that God ALLOWS Satan to exist and commit evil so that man has a choice?
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God does intervene, but when He wants to. For His reasons.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

I believe there are many paths to a goal. The path is not nearly as important as is reaching the goal.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

At what point does mental illness alter the perception?

Artemis

If I may cut in here with you Peter, and correct me where I might be misunderstanding you. You seem to believe that under the belief in God our life's course is predestined no matter what we do...untrue. This is why we have free choice. The creation of our own life is completely up to us. I don't believe in heaven or hell but if one did, God/ Divine source doesn't know your outcome until it is done.

God didn't know Hitler's outcome no one did. What god might have known were events to happen and how Hitler would react to them was up to him. A persons destiny is an unknown as it's a path we walk towards to with many forks.


Second ~God is not irrational, man is, but that is coming from a stance where rational is superior, not necessarily. Who says irrational has to be chaotic.
If you define irrational has one who depends on instincts and intuition. Where we have gained in rationality we have lost in intuition. Animals in the wild go by instincts and intuition and many are still well organized, no chaos involved. Don't misunderstand me reason is a good thing but not all inclusive.

And lastly aside from what is in our imagination and what is "real" in the physical world. All I have to say to that is think how much has been revealed to us that we never knew existed, simply because we didn't know it did exist, didn't mean it didn't. Wow did that come out right

PeterS

Didn't god command the Israelite's to kill the Canaanites and steal their lands? Seems like god said that both murder and stealing are relative right at the beginning.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you because you have a debased mind.

PeterS

The point I am arguing is omnipotence. Conservative Christians like to say that god is all knowing, even to the point that he knows the future. That being the case a god would know what his creations would do before they have even done it--thus he would know Hitlers actions before they were even made. And no, I don't think this true because I don't believe in a god but the facts are if one exists and is omnipotent than free will is irrelevant.

As for rationalism and irrationism I think you've misunderstood me; neither is a superior position. The mind of man is rational while the belief in god is irrational. This is the dictionary definition on Irrationalism:a system emphasizing intuition, instinct, feeling, or faith rather than reason or holding that the universe is governed by supernatural forces.

The beliefs of irrationalism are not bad but some of our most positive. They aren't rational though but irrational and why man will never be able to fully understand what or who god is...

PeterS

You can't discuss it with me because it contradicts the point you were trying to make. It's not my mind that is the problem but the fact that you have no intellectual integrity because your belief in god had stripped it from you. Your attempt to pin this on me only shows how little personal integrity you have left...

PeterS

Conservative Christians in every thread on gun control. You should try reading them some time...

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

You go ahead and believe your misguided notions.

PeterS

By reading the bible. Have you never read it?

PeterS

Oh, there is nothing misguided about my notions. Every time you have to face the truth you find a way to duck out. God was very clear in his command to the Israelite's--that no one was to be left alive--not the old, not women (even if they were pregnant), not even the little children. And in his command the Israelite's were to take their property and their land and keep them for themselves. For the Israelite's this was to be their promised land! And we wonder why there are problems in the middle east today...

These commands from god not only make murder relative but stealing too. What this means is that so long as we perceive it as a command from god than EVERYTHING is relative. If this isn't true than come out of hiding and openly debate!~