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Apr 26, 2016 02:58:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
valkyrierider wrote:
Before you post such an idotic post as this you need to know your history. The first slave owners in america was black. The north owned as many slaves as the north and when the war was over the southern states were orderd to not have any slaves and the Northern states retained theirs. Lincoln actually wanted to ship all the bllacks back to Africa. Study your frigin history before you post such iodtic posts as yours.


Part of your post is incorrect. The first legal slave owner in America was black. A man named Anthony Johnson, and Lincoln did want to ship the blacks back to Africa. At least a large part of them.
I think you are confused about the Emancipation Proclamation. What the Proclamation did was supposedly free slaves in the parts of the South that were attempting to secede. It was ignored there. This proclamation was issued in 1862, right after the battle of Antietam, in 1862, and became law in January of 1863. The North, at least at the time of the war, did not have more slaves. Slavery was legal in four Northern states: West Virginia, Kentucky, Maryland, and New Jersey. At the time at least two northern states, Ohio and Indiana, had laws that forbade blacks from moving there. They wanted them free, they just wanted them free somewhere else. Slavery remained legal there, and also in the area around New Orleans, which had been in Union hands since 1862, until the 13th Amendment became law in December of 1865, 8 months after Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House. The wife of Ulysess S Grant, commander of the Army of the Potomac and the Army of the Cumberland, owned her four slaves until the day she was forced by law to set them free. She kept them tucked away in West VA where it was legal, just in case. (By contrast, Robert E Lee, commander of the Army of Northern VA, had, sometime before, voluntarily freed the slaves he inherited from his own wife's father, after finding employment for most of them ).

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Apr 27, 2016 03:28:35   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
Loki wrote:
Part of your post is incorrect. The first legal slave owner in America was black. A man named Anthony Johnson, and Lincoln did want to ship the blacks back to Africa. At least a large part of them.
I think you are confused about the Emancipation Proclamation. What the Proclamation did was supposedly free slaves in the parts of the South that were attempting to secede. It was ignored there. This proclamation was issued in 1862, right after the battle of Antietam, in 1862, and became law in January of 1863. The North, at least at the time of the war, did not have more slaves. Slavery was legal in four Northern states: West Virginia, Kentucky, Maryland, and New Jersey. At the time at least two northern states, Ohio and Indiana, had laws that forbade blacks from moving there. They wanted them free, they just wanted them free somewhere else. Slavery remained legal there, and also in the area around New Orleans, which had been in Union hands since 1862, until the 13th Amendment became law in December of 1865, 8 months after Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House. The wife of Ulysess S Grant, commander of the Army of the Potomac and the Army of the Cumberland, owned her four slaves until the day she was forced by law to set them free. She kept them tucked away in West VA where it was legal, just in case. (By contrast, Robert E Lee, commander of the Army of Northern VA, had, sometime before, voluntarily freed the slaves he inherited from his own wife's father, after finding employment for most of them ).
Part of your post is incorrect. The first legal sl... (show quote)


If I can findit I will post where Lincoln wanted to ship all of them back to Africa and I do know that the northern states did not lose the ability to own slaves till after the war. I do agree with you on most of your post.

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Apr 27, 2016 05:45:52   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
valkyrierider wrote:
If I can findit I will post where Lincoln wanted to ship all of them back to Africa and I do know that the northern states did not lose the ability to own slaves till after the war. I do agree with you on most of your post.


Lincoln did, indeed, propose to ship slaves back to Africa. The idea never really took hold. Regarding Northern states, in most of them, slavery was already illegal. While there was no Federal law against slavery until the passage of the 13th Amendment, individual states had passed laws abolishing the institution. Slavery was illegal, for example, in Kansas, but legal in Missouri. Legal in New Jersey, illegal in New York. Legal in West Virginia, illegal in Ohio. It was illegal in all of New England, and while it was illegal in Ohio and Indiana, these states passed laws forbidding blacks to move there. Before the war, states had far more autonomy than they do now. One consequence of the war was this reduction of states' rights, in favor of a more powerful Federal Government.

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May 2, 2016 12:40:40   #
speed 1
 
trouble is, every thing I have said is true, family has been in ct since 1627, ma 1640 pa 1698.come to my track some time and have a beer on me.shp

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