http://www.globalresearch.ca/eight-reasons-911-could-not-have-been-an-inside-job/5518462The original article was posted on Washington's blog:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/04/8-reasons-911-not-inside-job.htmlExcerpt from the first reason:
9/11 was thoroughly and exhaustively investigated by the 9/11 Commission, Congress and U.S. scientific agencies.
This horse has already been beat to death, and anyone who raises questions is a nutjob.
True, the 9/11 Commission didnt believe that the government told the truth about 9/11, and said the government obstructed their investigation.
For example:
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
The 9/11 Commission chair said the Commission was set up to fail
The Commissions co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) obstructed our investigation
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didnt have access . . . .
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting
9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: It is a national scandal; This investigation is now compromised; and One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up. When asked in 2009 if he thought there should be another 9/11 commission, Cleland responded: There should be about fifteen 9/11 commissions
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staffs inquiry said At some level of the government, at some point in time
there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened. He also said I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described
. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years
. This is not spin. This is not true.
Some examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:
An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:
Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence
.The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigations refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.
The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government minders obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this)
The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times
As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
The CIA also videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.
9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation Vijay Padmanabhan said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread.
And Susan J. Crawford the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo told Bob Woodward:
We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.
Indeed, some of the main sources of information were tortured right up to the point of death.
Moreover, the type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions. (and see this, this, this and this).
And according to NBC News:
Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being tortured
One of the Commissions main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves
Indeed, the Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 (Bob Graham) and 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey are calling for either a PERMANENT 9/11 commission or a NEW 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it.
But hey
nothings perfect. We should just let bygones be bygones.
whole2th wrote:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/eight-reasons-911-could-not-have-been-an-inside-job/5518462The original article was posted on Washington's blog:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/04/8-reasons-911-not-inside-job.htmlExcerpt from the first reason:
9/11 was thoroughly and exhaustively investigated by the 9/11 Commission, Congress and U.S. scientific agencies.
This horse has already been beat to death, and anyone who raises questions is a nutjob.
True, the 9/11 Commission didnt believe that the government told the truth about 9/11, and said the government obstructed their investigation.
For example:
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
The 9/11 Commission chair said the Commission was set up to fail
The Commissions co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) obstructed our investigation
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didnt have access . . . .
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting
9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: It is a national scandal; This investigation is now compromised; and One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up. When asked in 2009 if he thought there should be another 9/11 commission, Cleland responded: There should be about fifteen 9/11 commissions
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staffs inquiry said At some level of the government, at some point in time
there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened. He also said I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described
. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years
. This is not spin. This is not true.
Some examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:
An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:
Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence
.The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigations refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.
The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government minders obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this)
The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times
As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
The CIA also videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.
9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation Vijay Padmanabhan said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread.
And Susan J. Crawford the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo told Bob Woodward:
We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.
Indeed, some of the main sources of information were tortured right up to the point of death.
Moreover, the type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions. (and see this, this, this and this).
And according to NBC News:
Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being tortured
One of the Commissions main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves
Indeed, the Co-Chair of the congressional investigation into 9/11 (Bob Graham) and 9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerrey are calling for either a PERMANENT 9/11 commission or a NEW 9/11 investigation to get to the bottom of it.
But hey
nothings perfect. We should just let bygones be bygones. url
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: . Who ties your shoes and Cleanse you Bib , every day ??? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: IDIOT TROLL
In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) officer and veteran of the Yom Kippur War (1973), was collecting English Ivy Cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McClellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. The man overheard a couple of men having a conversation in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. They anticipated meeting with a man of higher rank. Shortly thereafter, a Lincoln town car approached, and the man in the back got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged, the third man, whom they obviously held in honor, said:
The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the Twins in September.
One of the men who had been leaning against the retaining wall inquired whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) could undermine the plans. The high-level man who had arrived in the Town Car assured them, saying:
Dont worry, we have people in high places, and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.
The observer who overheard this conversation conveyed it to the FBI on numerous occasions, only to be denied the witness protection he sought and to be ignored. He however retained the business cards of the FBI agents with whom he met and published them. No investigation into the incident ever took place. The FBI agents he met with, who aided the suppression of the information, were promoted.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/chasing_down_gomel_chesed_cemetery.htm
whole2th wrote:
In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) officer and veteran of the Yom Kippur War (1973), was collecting English Ivy Cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McClellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. The man overheard a couple of men having a conversation in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. They anticipated meeting with a man of higher rank. Shortly thereafter, a Lincoln town car approached, and the man in the back got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged, the third man, whom they obviously held in honor, said:
The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the Twins in September.
One of the men who had been leaning against the retaining wall inquired whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) could undermine the plans. The high-level man who had arrived in the Town Car assured them, saying:
Dont worry, we have people in high places, and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.
The observer who overheard this conversation conveyed it to the FBI on numerous occasions, only to be denied the witness protection he sought and to be ignored. He however retained the business cards of the FBI agents with whom he met and published them. No investigation into the incident ever took place. The FBI agents he met with, who aided the suppression of the information, were promoted.
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Sounds like a Tom Clancy book.
whole2th wrote:
In October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/11, a retired Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) officer and veteran of the Yom Kippur War (1973), was collecting English Ivy Cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McClellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. The man overheard a couple of men having a conversation in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. They anticipated meeting with a man of higher rank. Shortly thereafter, a Lincoln town car approached, and the man in the back got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged, the third man, whom they obviously held in honor, said:
The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the Twins in September.
One of the men who had been leaning against the retaining wall inquired whether the upcoming presidential election (November 2000) could undermine the plans. The high-level man who had arrived in the Town Car assured them, saying:
Dont worry, we have people in high places, and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything.
The observer who overheard this conversation conveyed it to the FBI on numerous occasions, only to be denied the witness protection he sought and to be ignored. He however retained the business cards of the FBI agents with whom he met and published them. No investigation into the incident ever took place. The FBI agents he met with, who aided the suppression of the information, were promoted.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/chasing_down_gomel_chesed_cemetery.htmIn October 2000, approximately 11 months before 9/... (
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What a load...no reality to this story what so ever. Comic Book material....again.
America Only wrote:
What a load...no reality to this story what so ever. Comic Book material....again.
And we are to close the matter on your say so?
Considering the image you've created of yourself here at OPP, it may be best to skip your postings entirely.
Stop drinking, America Only.
Hemiman wrote:
Sounds like a Tom Clancy book.
Infowars, Hemi, the website of the conspiracy theory guru, Alex Jones. That guy has more fabricated bullshit than a Chinese factory. On another forum, we had a guy show up under the tag "Coyote". Found out he was one of Jones' "info freaks", worked in the studio making shit up. Apparently he went too far and Jones dumped him. He went off on his own and really went nuts. He's probably in a padded cell somewhere.
Anyway, the 2th movement relies heavily on Alex Jones, so odds are excellent that this is just more maggot infested tripe.
Glad to see you print this article on the Twin Tower coverup. This subject is definitely not closed to people who are actually concerned about how the US government deals with such incidents using their elaborate cover stories, misinformation, and just pure bullshit.
It is unfortunate that Hemiman, DamnYANKEE, moldyoldy, America Only, and Blade Runner, actually believe what their cohorts in the US government say about this subject. Of course, there are a great many other people who continually try to make the stories conform to their particular ideas of how they think it should have happened, whether they have all the facts or not, and are unwilling or unable to think outside the politically correct box or not. Things are seldom the way the government paints them; their "facts" usually conform to their agenda however misguided it may be, and then someone will lie about it and the loyalists will swear to it! We do have the best government money can buy, and of course they go by the "Golden Rule," which is "The ones who have the gold rules!" It's the Socialist way.
The US government and their loyal and hired BS artists also do their best to detract from the investigation performed by Dr. Judy Wood, who wrote a book explaining how the cover stories were not only preposterous but defied most of the basic laws of physics. The book was a very well researched and documented analysis, entitled "Where Did The Towers Go?" That is a more accurate question than "What happened to the Twin Towers?" It is a much harder question to answer. The book has a great many very good pictures, with excellent captions and full text descriptions. It also includes many interviews with people who were involved. She documented just how the towers came down, and it didn't result from the planes hitting them. Anyone serious about what happened should read this book before they finally make up their mind about this incident.
Many so-called experts have tried, and are still trying, to shoot Dr. Wood down as a "kook" but they have miserably failed to prove her wrong, in my opinion as a physicist and engineer. Einstein, Newton, Hertz, Tesla and most of those who are now recognized as geniuses that we owe modern technology to were also treated as "kooks" back in their day. Try the book, if you dare, and read it with an open mind rather than the closed mind of a blind follower of the US government BS artists. She was able to show what happened, give plausible methods of why and how, but was unable, unwilling, or maybe even threatened, to point the finger at just who would have the access, control, technology, and machinery to accomplish the task. It may sound a bit like science fiction now, but today's science fiction has a habit of becoming tomorrows facts.
The above is my opinion, which you may or may not agree with, and you are welcome to yours; I won't call anyone names if they disagree with me because it just isn't very productive to do so. Have a nice day.
Abel wrote:
Glad to see you print this article on the Twin Tower coverup. This subject is definitely not closed to people who are actually concerned about how the US government deals with such incidents using their elaborate cover stories, misinformation, and just pure bullshit.
It is unfortunate that Hemiman, DamnYANKEE, moldyoldy, America Only, and Blade Runner, actually believe what their cohorts in the US government say about this subject. Of course, there are a great many other people who continually try to make the stories conform to their particular ideas of how they think it should have happened, whether they have all the facts or not, and are unwilling or unable to think outside the politically correct box or not. Things are seldom the way the government paints them; their "facts" usually conform to their agenda however misguided it may be, and then someone will lie about it and the loyalists will swear to it! We do have the best government money can buy, and of course they go by the "Golden Rule," which is "The ones who have the gold rules!" It's the Socialist way.
The US government and their loyal and hired BS artists also do their best to detract from the investigation performed by Dr. Judy Wood, who wrote a book explaining how the cover stories were not only preposterous but defied most of the basic laws of physics. The book was a very well researched and documented analysis, entitled "Where Did The Towers Go?" That is a more accurate question than "What happened to the Twin Towers?" It is a much harder question to answer. The book has a great many very good pictures, with excellent captions and full text descriptions. It also includes many interviews with people who were involved. She documented just how the towers came down, and it didn't result from the planes hitting them. Anyone serious about what happened should read this book before they finally make up their mind about this incident.
Many so-called experts have tried, and are still trying, to shoot Dr. Wood down as a "kook" but they have miserably failed to prove her wrong, in my opinion as a physicist and engineer. Einstein, Newton, Hertz, Tesla and most of those who are now recognized as geniuses that we owe modern technology to were also treated as "kooks" back in their day. Try the book, if you dare, and read it with an open mind rather than the closed mind of a blind follower of the US government BS artists. She was able to show what happened, give plausible methods of why and how, but was unable, unwilling, or maybe even threatened, to point the finger at just who would have the access, control, technology, and machinery to accomplish the task. It may sound a bit like science fiction now, but today's science fiction has a habit of becoming tomorrows facts.
The above is my opinion, which you may or may not agree with, and you are welcome to yours; I won't call anyone names if they disagree with me because it just isn't very productive to do so. Have a nice day.
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For about one month back in 2007, I bought the Judy Wood idea about directed energy weapons. The initial presentations were so compelling and, why not have an exotic energy weapon involved in this military-media-government attack? As I continued to delve into the Judy Wood "hypothesis" (an important term in the scientific method), it became evident that much of her presentation was a put-down of already solid research (such as Jones/Harrit nanothermite and AE911truth controlled demolition analysis).
Wood acted as if her "hypothesis" explanation was the be-all/end-all and was dismissive of work already accomplished. She did not compliment the previous researchers. She did not seek to ally with the previous researchers. It was "directed energy weapons", period.
Now we already had a "Theory of Controlled Demolition" which has withstood testing over and over. Controlled demolition began as a "hypothesis" and has advanced to the level of "theory". Judy Wood's idea is at best still stuck in "hypothesis" stage--and for many the idea of directed energy weapons has been refuted.
Even if Judy Wood had the full explanation for destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7, she is not a 9-11 activist. Her suggestion is that we wait to fully explain the demolitions--then, and only then, would she consider it appropriate to determine who did 9-11.
In my view, Judy Wood has been a divisive distraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qYm1AnUKi8
Abel wrote:
Glad to see you print this article on the Twin Tower coverup. This subject is definitely not closed to people who are actually concerned about how the US government deals with such incidents using their elaborate cover stories, misinformation, and just pure bullshit.
It is unfortunate that Hemiman, DamnYANKEE, moldyoldy, America Only, and Blade Runner, actually believe what their cohorts in the US government say about this subject. Of course, there are a great many other people who continually try to make the stories conform to their particular ideas of how they think it should have happened, whether they have all the facts or not, and are unwilling or unable to think outside the politically correct box or not. Things are seldom the way the government paints them; their "facts" usually conform to their agenda however misguided it may be, and then someone will lie about it and the loyalists will swear to it! We do have the best government money can buy, and of course they go by the "Golden Rule," which is "The ones who have the gold rules!" It's the Socialist way.
The US government and their loyal and hired BS artists also do their best to detract from the investigation performed by Dr. Judy Wood, who wrote a book explaining how the cover stories were not only preposterous but defied most of the basic laws of physics. The book was a very well researched and documented analysis, entitled "Where Did The Towers Go?" That is a more accurate question than "What happened to the Twin Towers?" It is a much harder question to answer. The book has a great many very good pictures, with excellent captions and full text descriptions. It also includes many interviews with people who were involved. She documented just how the towers came down, and it didn't result from the planes hitting them. Anyone serious about what happened should read this book before they finally make up their mind about this incident.
Many so-called experts have tried, and are still trying, to shoot Dr. Wood down as a "kook" but they have miserably failed to prove her wrong, in my opinion as a physicist and engineer. Einstein, Newton, Hertz, Tesla and most of those who are now recognized as geniuses that we owe modern technology to were also treated as "kooks" back in their day. Try the book, if you dare, and read it with an open mind rather than the closed mind of a blind follower of the US government BS artists. She was able to show what happened, give plausible methods of why and how, but was unable, unwilling, or maybe even threatened, to point the finger at just who would have the access, control, technology, and machinery to accomplish the task. It may sound a bit like science fiction now, but today's science fiction has a habit of becoming tomorrows facts.
The above is my opinion, which you may or may not agree with, and you are welcome to yours; I won't call anyone names if they disagree with me because it just isn't very productive to do so. Have a nice day.
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Sorry to tell you this, hoss, but I have no "cohorts" in the US government, nor do I put any stock in the government's "official story". Even as badly as the government botched its investigation of 9-11, they couldn't f*ck it up as badly as Dr. Judy Wood and her theory of "directed free energy weapons" powered by a hurricane. Even an Austrian truther who believes that nuclear weapons were detonated in the basements of the towers isn't as far into La La Land as Wood is.
Here is one of many analyses of Wood's science fiction.
9/11 Scams: The Junk- Science of Dr. Judy Wood -Part 2 of 4
If this video is your evidence of Dr. Wood's being taken down, you should have watched the videos that followed. The interviewer, Greg, was absolutely pathetic as he tried so very hard to keep changing the subject to something he had a better handle on rather than pursue her line of reasoning. Better luck next time.
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