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Mar 17, 2016 13:14:09   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Glaucon wrote:
I agree. The only apparent difference of opinion is about global concerns or not. I say our security and financial well being is, to a great extent, affected by global issues and events. People without the basics of shelter, education, food, clean water, security, and personal freedoms are dangerous to us and we can prevent them from being dangerous to us without war.


And what would you suggest? That we see that the whole world has everything that we have just to keep out of a war and them happy as pigs in mud. We can not and should have to support the whole world just because we have a better form of government then all other countries.

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Mar 17, 2016 13:15:36   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
buffalo wrote:
Only to the extent that we allow it. How are destitute people 10,000 miles away a threat to our financial and security? bullshit. Only if we allow it. Political Correctness is a huge part of the problem.


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Mar 17, 2016 13:19:23   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Glaucon wrote:
The problem is, there are many ways of dealing with this kind of problem, some are more effective and humane than others. George Bush had about twenty reasons for invading Iraq and twenty one if you count the oil. He changed reasons each time the previous one was debunked. The one he ended up with was that Saddam was mean to his people and that was considered a politically correct reason for the invasion and the loss of 186,000 lives of men, women, and children.


I see you are back to blame George Bush again. Such a immature person. Did we ever get any of that oil that you keep saying we invaded Iraq for? The answer is no.

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Mar 17, 2016 13:26:43   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
buffalo wrote:
It is not the destitute and starving people of N Korea, or any other country, that pose a threat to the US. To keep the starving population from revolting Kim Jong Un perpetuates the lie of military first to keep THEM safe from the evil boogeyman, that is the US. Something called Songun. This policy tells N Koreans that the reason they are hungry and impoverished and locked in a police state is because this is all necessary to fund the military and protect the country from enemies internal and external, so as to keep them safe from the imperialist Americans who are always just on the verge of invading — and, if able, would surely overwhelm them and do unspeakable things.

The Songun policy rallies N Koreans behind the regime not despite but because of their poverty, which is said to be a necessary function of the never-ending war against the imperialist American dogs. But keeping this lie alive requires the occasional provocation, just enough to make it look like N Koreans are indeed in a state of quasi-war, and also that the N Korean leaders are bravely and boldly lashing out against their enemies.

Does any of that sound familiar? When was the last time the US was attacked militarily by another country. Instead the US military is used for empire building and protecting corporate interests globally with the propaganda lies that we are spreading democracy and protecting civilians. What kind of threat did Saddam pose to the US? What kind of threat did Qaddafi pose to the US? Are we any safer? Starting wars, major political corruption, torturing people, all of which causes instability. Sounds like US foreign policy, eh? We just haven't started calling our leaders dictators, yet. But we're told tht it is to make us safer. I say bullshit.

Political correctness with respect to mooslime invasion of the US, illegal immigration and race relations HAS become an issue in the US.
It is not the destitute and starving people of N K... (show quote)


YOu had me until that last paragraph. Where did we protect corporate interests in Iraq and Afghanistan? I also think that we should not go on a Democracy building of countries that are still in the dark ages and have tribal thoughts on government. They should have to get out of that hole all by themselves.

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Mar 17, 2016 13:30:35   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Glaucon wrote:
The competence, knowledge of the law, and few predictable biases are not in question with this nominee and all three were problems for that one. The reason for the slow walk for the Reagan nominee was political, but it wasn't the single reason as it is now.


How is that?

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Mar 17, 2016 13:32:14   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Glaucon wrote:
Louie, you are not very well informed, you don't sound very bright, and you are a true believer and, other than that, I take you regurgitation of the Republican talking points very seriously.


You did not answer my question. I take it you have no answer.

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Mar 17, 2016 13:33:26   #
Gatsby
 
An open letter to all supporters of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz
cc; the RNC

To date a full 80% of Republican primary voters have chosen either Trump of Cruz.

The RNC and Gov. Kassich are apparently intent upon HIGH-JACKING their own process, in order to promote the choice of the RNC. This must be STOPPED!

If you support either Trump or Cruz, then PLEASE contact the RNC, by phone, by mail, by e-mail (gop.com)or all three, and tell them that they will receive no support from you until they and Gov. Kassich get the hell out of the way and let the Republican VOTERS choose our candidate.

Contact the RNC every day, post this letter any place you can, its high time that we, the VOTERS, lead our party back to greatness. Obviously the RNC is failing to do so.

A MILLION E-MAILS CAN NOT BE IGNORED!

Please share this with anyone who cares.

Any additional contact information for the RNC that readers can provide will be appreciated.

Bob

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Mar 17, 2016 13:34:04   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
buffalo wrote:
Not between the corporate elite of the parties. The only difference is the false ideologies that the sheople are propagandized with.

Bonnie Kristian penned this in February, 2014 but it explains mt point.

Here are 7 big reasons there’s no difference between establishment Democrats and Republicans:

1. Both support endless war. It’s been more than a decade since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and America’s entanglements are far from over. Though Bush is remembered as the consummate hawk, Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama has used his time in office to start or maintain additional wars in Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia. Now, he wants to add Syria to the list. My generation can barely remember peace—and there’s no end in sight for a foreign policy with devastating human and financial costs.

2. Both engage in out-of-control spending. Yes, deficit spending has accelerated under Barack Obama. But you know what? There was also a massive acceleration under Bush. The fact is, debt is a bipartisan problem, and neither party is innocent. With $17 trillion of debt (and rapidly counting) as the consequence of decades of bipartisan irresponsibility, the time has passed for pointing fingers and dubbing a slightly slower rate of spending growth a “historic cut.”

3. Both ignore our most basic rights. CNN recently asked “When can a government kill its own people?” but for President Obama and some old guard GOP leaders like Sen. John McCain, that question has already been answered: Pretty much whenever it’s convenient. In fact, the U.S. government has already assassinated a 16-year-old American citizen by drone strike, killing a boy who was neither accused nor suspected of any crime.

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4. Both have no respect for the rule of law. Obama swept into office promising a new attention to the rule of law after years of (correct) complaints that Bush often ignored it. “I take the Constitution very seriously,” he maintained to a nation weary for lawfulness. Bush and his GOP Congress were rightly critiqued for rampantly flouting the Constitution, especially the 4th and 5th Amendments (rights to privacy and a fair trial). But as Gitmo remains open, the NDAA makes indefinite detention a possibility for any American, and the list of NSA abuses reaches absurd proportions, Obama’s campaign promise is overdue for a death certificate.

5. Both are bought and paid for by big business. You know what’s the best original idea in politics today? Making politicians wear suits like NASCAR drivers, which display their biggest corporate sponsors. Democrats and Republicans alike would be plastered with logos. So is it any wonder that many of these same businesses get massive favors from the government at taxpayers’ expense? DC spends upwards of $100 billion on corporate welfare annually, not to mention huge one-off expenditures like the bailouts.

6. Both care most about their own power. President Obama recently joked, “That’s the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want.” And while he was just kidding around, his humor was in line with the bipartisan presidential mindset. In the recent State of the Union address, the President announced his intention to continue expanding the power of the Executive at Congress’ expense. Republicans were duly upset at this power grab, but historically GOP Presidents have actually averaged slightly more executive orders than Democrats have.

7. Both have a long record of expanding government and shrinking liberty. Finally, take a look at the big picture:

Our government is reading our emails and monitoring our calls.

It gropes us at the airport, wants to keep track of our cars, and plans to subject us to random security sweeps at concerts and train stations.

We can’t decide for ourselves what to consume, whether to buy insurance, or who to marry.

All our income until mid-April goes directly to the government.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and minorities are subject to unfair, disproportionate punishment.

Is this really the land of the free?

In 2014, it’s very difficult to answer that question in the affirmative. But it’s easy to see that partisanship isn’t the answer—and neither is bipartisan big government. As America moves toward a new, liberty-friendly policy consensus, let’s toss this outdated left vs. right rivalry and focus on the real fight:

Washington vs us.
Not between the corporate elite of the parties. Th... (show quote)


I think Trump will address all that

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Mar 17, 2016 13:47:35   #
Gatsby
 
Donald Trump will not be able to address anything unless he gets to the White House. Please read and act!

cesspool jones wrote:
I think Trump will address all that


An open letter to all supporters of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz
cc; the RNC

To date a full 80% of Republican primary voters have chosen either Trump of Cruz.

The RNC and Gov. Kassich are apparently intent upon HIGH-JACKING their own process, in order to promote the choice of the RNC. This must be STOPPED!

If you support either Trump or Cruz, then PLEASE contact the RNC, by phone, by mail, by e-mail (gop.com)or all three, and tell them that they will receive no support from you until they and Gov. Kassich get the hell out of the way and let the Republican VOTERS choose our candidate.

Contact the RNC every day, post this letter any place you can, its high time that we, the VOTERS, lead our party back to greatness. Obviously the RNC is failing to do so.

A MILLION E-MAILS CAN NOT BE IGNORED!

Please share this with anyone who cares.

Any additional contact information for the RNC that readers can provide will be appreciated.

Bob

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Mar 17, 2016 14:08:56   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Louie27 wrote:
I see you are back to blame George Bush again. Such a immature person. Did we ever get any of that oil that you keep saying we invaded Iraq for? The answer is no.


Oil is sold all over the world. Very little mideastern oil reaches the US.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. Additionally, Saddam, to evade the effects of western sanctions, that were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis (mostly women and children) had begun selling Iraqi oil to China and Russia in gold and their currencies, bypassing the petrodollar. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil and protecting the hegemony of the petrodollar, and it was a war with losers: the Iraqi people and all those who spilled and lost blood so that Big Oil could come out ahead.

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Mar 17, 2016 14:19:53   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
buffalo wrote:
Oil is sold all over the world. Very little mideastern oil reaches the US.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. Additionally, Saddam, to evade the effects of western sanctions, that were responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis (mostly women and children) had begun selling Iraqi oil to China and Russia in gold and their currencies, bypassing the petrodollar. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil and protecting the hegemony of the petrodollar, and it was a war with losers: the Iraqi people and all those who spilled and lost blood so that Big Oil could come out ahead.
Oil is sold all over the world. Very little mideas... (show quote)


....very true buffalo...

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Mar 17, 2016 14:28:33   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Louie27 wrote:
YOu had me until that last paragraph. Where did we protect corporate interests in Iraq and Afghanistan? I also think that we should not go on a Democracy building of countries that are still in the dark ages and have tribal thoughts on government. They should have to get out of that hole all by themselves.


Before the US led destruction of Iraq and Libya, both countries were prosperous and modernized with most citizens enjoying a relatively high standard of living. Iraq had one of the best national health-care systems in the Middle East. For example, Saudi Arabia with all her petrodollar earnings had just a fraction of that of Iraq’s. Iraq had a modern sanitary infrastructure with an extensive network of water-purification and sewage-treatment systems. Water networks distributed clean, safe water to 95% of the urban population and to 75% of those in rural areas. In 1990, Iraq was ranked 50th out of 130 countries on the UNDP Human Development Index, which measures national achievements in health, education, and per capita GDP.

Yep, the US-British invasion of Iraq really liberated them.

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Mar 17, 2016 14:43:25   #
Glaucon
 
Louie27 wrote:
You are right there is nothing in the Constitution that prevent a President from nominating person for the Supreme Court. There also is nothing in the Constitution that state that the Senate must hold hearings on this individual.


You need to read the Constitution. The Senate is required to advise and consent which has been interpreted to mean the Senate is required to have hearings on nominees and to vote them up or down.

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Mar 17, 2016 15:58:24   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
buffalo wrote:
Not between the corporate elite of the parties. The only difference is the false ideologies that the sheople are propagandized with.

Bonnie Kristian penned this in February, 2014 but it explains mt point.

Here are 7 big reasons there’s no difference between establishment Democrats and Republicans:

1. Both support endless war. It’s been more than a decade since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and America’s entanglements are far from over. Though Bush is remembered as the consummate hawk, Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama has used his time in office to start or maintain additional wars in Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia. Now, he wants to add Syria to the list. My generation can barely remember peace—and there’s no end in sight for a foreign policy with devastating human and financial costs.

2. Both engage in out-of-control spending. Yes, deficit spending has accelerated under Barack Obama. But you know what? There was also a massive acceleration under Bush. The fact is, debt is a bipartisan problem, and neither party is innocent. With $17 trillion of debt (and rapidly counting) as the consequence of decades of bipartisan irresponsibility, the time has passed for pointing fingers and dubbing a slightly slower rate of spending growth a “historic cut.”

3. Both ignore our most basic rights. CNN recently asked “When can a government kill its own people?” but for President Obama and some old guard GOP leaders like Sen. John McCain, that question has already been answered: Pretty much whenever it’s convenient. In fact, the U.S. government has already assassinated a 16-year-old American citizen by drone strike, killing a boy who was neither accused nor suspected of any crime.

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4. Both have no respect for the rule of law. Obama swept into office promising a new attention to the rule of law after years of (correct) complaints that Bush often ignored it. “I take the Constitution very seriously,” he maintained to a nation weary for lawfulness. Bush and his GOP Congress were rightly critiqued for rampantly flouting the Constitution, especially the 4th and 5th Amendments (rights to privacy and a fair trial). But as Gitmo remains open, the NDAA makes indefinite detention a possibility for any American, and the list of NSA abuses reaches absurd proportions, Obama’s campaign promise is overdue for a death certificate.

5. Both are bought and paid for by big business. You know what’s the best original idea in politics today? Making politicians wear suits like NASCAR drivers, which display their biggest corporate sponsors. Democrats and Republicans alike would be plastered with logos. So is it any wonder that many of these same businesses get massive favors from the government at taxpayers’ expense? DC spends upwards of $100 billion on corporate welfare annually, not to mention huge one-off expenditures like the bailouts.

6. Both care most about their own power. President Obama recently joked, “That’s the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want.” And while he was just kidding around, his humor was in line with the bipartisan presidential mindset. In the recent State of the Union address, the President announced his intention to continue expanding the power of the Executive at Congress’ expense. Republicans were duly upset at this power grab, but historically GOP Presidents have actually averaged slightly more executive orders than Democrats have.

7. Both have a long record of expanding government and shrinking liberty. Finally, take a look at the big picture:

Our government is reading our emails and monitoring our calls.

It gropes us at the airport, wants to keep track of our cars, and plans to subject us to random security sweeps at concerts and train stations.

We can’t decide for ourselves what to consume, whether to buy insurance, or who to marry.

All our income until mid-April goes directly to the government.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and minorities are subject to unfair, disproportionate punishment.

Is this really the land of the free?

In 2014, it’s very difficult to answer that question in the affirmative. But it’s easy to see that partisanship isn’t the answer—and neither is bipartisan big government. As America moves toward a new, liberty-friendly policy consensus, let’s toss this outdated left vs. right rivalry and focus on the real fight:

Washington vs us.
Not between the corporate elite of the parties. Th... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :evil:

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Mar 17, 2016 16:11:01   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Glaucon wrote:
Things you are unable to understand seem to be things that are above your mental ability to understand.

I am sure you have heard to Mensa. It is an organization for people with very high IQ's. Well, you are in luck, there is an opposite organization for very low IQ people and it is called Densa and is for dense people who are unable to understand even the most simple issues. They give each member a cooking at each meeting.


Worth going to a meeting if you get a cooking??

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