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Mar 8, 2016 22:14:55   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Well tradition, tell me what kind of target the slow moving Spectre gunship is. Well? Its a slow moving bullseye, that's what it is. Then, after it was shot down, where would it have crashed?

I guess you didn't know anyone in those other embassies and foreign offices which were attacked in the 10 to 12 years previous to Benghazi. What makes Benghazi so special?

As for your dropping that bit of info about your husband, I'll bet he would say it was a privileged to serve. Perhaps I'll refer to you as dudette.
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The Spectre gunship in operation shows that it can walk its cannons up narrow streets, killing fighters while leaving the surrounding buildings intact and people inside them unharmed. Kris (Tanto) Paronto mentioned that “I asked for the Spectre and ISR [an armed Predator drone] at 9:37 pm,” certain that the attacks actually started at 9:32 pm local time, not 9:42 pm as previously reported. “At midnight, they told us they were still working on getting us that Spectre gunship. Not that it was NOT AVAILABLE, but that they were STILL WORKING ON IT." What a disgrace!!

Spectre gunships can walk its cannons up narrow streets, killing fighters while leaving the surrounding buildings intact and people inside them unharmed.

What makes Benghazi so different? Hillary Clinton!!! She received 600 emails requesting assistance from Ambassador Stevens and ignored them. "I didn't see them. They didn't come to my desk." A whole State Dept. and noone shows her an email from her "close friend" asking for additional security. Why did she lie?? Why couldn't she just tell the American people that they're looking into it and as soon as they are sure of what happened, they will inform us?

I never found it necessary to question the loyalty of our Presidents, Democrat or Republican. Sure I didn't agree with the policies of some but I never questioned their patriotism. I have spent nearly eight years now questioning this Administration. I have never seen a President bow to foreign leaders on foreign lands; cup their hands at their crotch while the National Anthem played; reluctantly wear a flag pin on his lapel; associate with a pastor who damns our country; apologize multiple times for America; and launch his candidacy at the home of a domestic, unrepentent terrorist, who was seen on the cover of "Chicago" magazine stomping on the American flag. Don't forget, Obama was the man who said to judge him by the people who surround him.

He was the Commander-In-Chief and left for a fund raiser the following day. Clinton was MIA after she repeated Obama's lie. What a pair!

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Mar 8, 2016 22:28:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tradition wrote:
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The Spectre gunship in operation shows that it can walk its cannons up narrow streets, killing fighters while leaving the surrounding buildings intact and people inside them unharmed. Kris (Tanto) Paronto mentioned that “I asked for the Spectre and ISR [an armed Predator drone] at 9:37 pm,” certain that the attacks actually started at 9:32 pm local time, not 9:42 pm as previously reported. “At midnight, they told us they were still working on getting us that Spectre gunship. Not that it was NOT AVAILABLE, but that they were STILL WORKING ON IT." What a disgrace!!

Spectre gunships can walk its cannons up narrow streets, killing fighters while leaving the surrounding buildings intact and people inside them unharmed.

What makes Benghazi so different? Hillary Clinton!!! She received 600 emails requesting assistance from Ambassador Stevens and ignored them. "I didn't see them. They didn't come to my desk." A whole State Dept. and noone shows her an email from her "close friend" asking for additional security. Why did she lie?? Why couldn't she just tell the American people that they're looking into it and as soon as they are sure of what happened, they will inform us?

I never found it necessary to question the loyalty of our Presidents, Democrat or Republican. Sure I didn't agree with the policies of some but I never questioned their patriotism. I have spent nearly eight years now questioning this Administration. I have never seen a President bow to foreign leaders on foreign lands; cup their hands at their crotch while the National Anthem played; reluctantly wear a flag pin on his lapel; associate with a pastor who damns our country; apologize multiple times for America; and launch his candidacy at the home of a domestic, unrepentent terrorist, who was seen on the cover of "Chicago" magazine stomping on the American flag. Don't forget, Obama was the man who said to judge him by the people who surround him.

He was the Commander-In-Chief and left for a fund raiser the following day. Clinton was MIA after she repeated Obama's lie. What a pair!
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You do know there were countless requests for more security at all embassies in the 15 yrs previous to Benghazi, don't you? That's not a problem to you?

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Mar 9, 2016 22:03:11   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You do know there were countless requests for more security at all embassies in the 15 yrs previous to Benghazi, don't you? That's not a problem to you?


As a matter of fact, I do know there were many other attacks at other embassies. However, I do NOT know of any where our President or our Secretary of State ignored requests for assistance. And if that did happen then shame on them.

I DO know about Benghazi and that IS a problem to me. There is only one thing I or you can do about Benghazi now and that is to make sure it never happens again in whatever small way we can. We should make our voices heard and hold those who are accountable to task. Your vote is one way. Letters to your representatives are another. Our voices may not be the loudest or the strongest, but at least it may make our soldiers realize that there is much that must change, that we see it, and that we are trying. Better than sitting on our rumps and letting these so-called leaders get away with murder - LITERALLY!!!

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Mar 10, 2016 00:21:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tradition wrote:
As a matter of fact, I do know there were many other attacks at other embassies. However, I do NOT know of any where our President or our Secretary of State ignored requests for assistance. And if that did happen then shame on them.

I DO know about Benghazi and that IS a problem to me. There is only one thing I or you can do about Benghazi now and that is to make sure it never happens again in whatever small way we can. We should make our voices heard and hold those who are accountable to task. Your vote is one way. Letters to your representatives are another. Our voices may not be the loudest or the strongest, but at least it may make our soldiers realize that there is much that must change, that we see it, and that we are trying. Better than sitting on our rumps and letting these so-called leaders get away with murder - LITERALLY!!!
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So security was adequate at all those other embassies? Right. After how many were killed should they have upped security?? Sounds like the preamble to incompetence to me. But only Benghazi gets nine investigations. Right. Literally. LITERALLY!!!

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Mar 10, 2016 07:53:40   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
lindajoy wrote:
Timing is everything, ron..2017 right around the corner...see how powers above us takescare!!!***&#9734;&#9734;&#9734;.

We are about to retake our country!!!!


I "HOPE"......You are right! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 10, 2016 08:03:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
I "HOPE"......You are right! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


next Stop Florida
Go Trump Go.

Key West is passing the Test!
Florida, be gittin rida Cruzia and Rubia!

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Mar 10, 2016 08:06:03   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
eagleye13 wrote:
next Stop Florida
Go Trump Go.

Key West is passing the Test!
Florida, be gittin rida Cruzia and Rubia!


Going to be "Cruz, & Trump".........Ber-nerd, & "Killery"....{?}

America, is in "shock"!

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Mar 10, 2016 08:14:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
eagleye13 wrote:
next Stop Florida
Go Trump Go.

Key West is passing the Test!
Florida, be gittin rida Cruzia and Rubia!
The partnership will still come in second at Hialeah.
Hallalujah!!!!!


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Mar 10, 2016 12:35:08   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So security was adequate at all those other embassies? Right. After how many were killed should they have upped security?? Sounds like the preamble to incompetence to me. But only Benghazi gets nine investigations. Right. Literally. LITERALLY!!!


Of course security was INADEQUATE!!! None of our people should have been killed. If only one American were killed, it affirms that security was wanting. Yes - Your question has legs - How many more need be maimed or murdered!! What does it take for thorough investigations to take place? Instead of asking why Benghazi - we should be screaming: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!

But nwtk, where is the answer to my question about what other President or Secretary of State IGNORED the requests for additional security. What other President or SOS (or should I say SOB) found it necessary to LIE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED!! What other SOS called her daughter and the Egyptian Prime Minister ON DAY ONE to inform them that it was a planned attack.

Your defense of Benghazi is to cite other atrocities which happened to our people. What a sad justification!! Should we allow even more to fall before investigations are made?? Apparently previous investigations were not comprehensive enough. This one was especially egregious since there WAS help available and it was ignored. Fortunately, we had former Navy Seals who were there, ON THEIR OWN, who told us the truth, after they courageously saved dozens of others when they realized that the expected assistance WAS NOT COMING!!

There is NO WAY that HILLARY will come out of this smelling like a rose. There is not a woman, wife or mother with a loved one in the military who should support her. She is a poor excuse for a human being - and her Benghazi LIES, as well as her email deflections, validate her lack of concern or care for our brave soldiers. In her own words, she condemns herself: "What difference does it make?!"

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Mar 10, 2016 12:55:52   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Even a lot of Dems are waking up to what a scum bag Hillary is.


Tradition wrote:
Of course security was INADEQUATE!!! None of our people should have been killed. If only one American were killed, it affirms that security was wanting. Yes - Your question has legs - How many more need be maimed or murdered!! What does it take for thorough investigations to take place? Instead of asking why Benghazi - we should be screaming: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!

But nwtk, where is the answer to my question about what other President or Secretary of State IGNORED the requests for additional security. What other President or SOS (or should I say SOB) found it necessary to LIE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED!! What other SOS called her daughter and the Egyptian Prime Minister ON DAY ONE to inform them that it was a planned attack.

Your defense of Benghazi is to cite other atrocities which happened to our people. What a sad justification!! Should we allow even more to fall before investigations are made?? Apparently previous investigations were not comprehensive enough. This one was especially egregious since there WAS help available and it was ignored. Fortunately, we had former Navy Seals who were there, ON THEIR OWN, who told us the truth, after they courageously saved dozens of others when they realized that the expected assistance WAS NOT COMING!!

There is NO WAY that HILLARY will come out of this smelling like a rose. There is not a woman, wife or mother with a loved one in the military who should support her. She is a poor excuse for a human being - and her Benghazi LIES, as well as her email deflections, validate her lack of concern or care for our brave soldiers. In her own words, she condemns herself: "What difference does it make?!"
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Mar 10, 2016 13:57:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tradition wrote:
Of course security was INADEQUATE!!! None of our people should have been killed. If only one American were killed, it affirms that security was wanting. Yes - Your question has legs - How many more need be maimed or murdered!! What does it take for thorough investigations to take place? Instead of asking why Benghazi - we should be screaming: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!

But nwtk, where is the answer to my question about what other President or Secretary of State IGNORED the requests for additional security. What other President or SOS (or should I say SOB) found it necessary to LIE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED!! What other SOS called her daughter and the Egyptian Prime Minister ON DAY ONE to inform them that it was a planned attack.

Your defense of Benghazi is to cite other atrocities which happened to our people. What a sad justification!! Should we allow even more to fall before investigations are made?? Apparently previous investigations were not comprehensive enough. This one was especially egregious since there WAS help available and it was ignored. Fortunately, we had former Navy Seals who were there, ON THEIR OWN, who told us the truth, after they courageously saved dozens of others when they realized that the expected assistance WAS NOT COMING!!

There is NO WAY that HILLARY will come out of this smelling like a rose. There is not a woman, wife or mother with a loved one in the military who should support her. She is a poor excuse for a human being - and her Benghazi LIES, as well as her email deflections, validate her lack of concern or care for our brave soldiers. In her own words, she condemns herself: "What difference does it make?!"
Of course security was INADEQUATE!!! None of our p... (show quote)


There is no justification for Benghazi. I only point out the hypocrisy of the GOP in their self righteous "investigations" and what will be their use of Benghazi for political gain.

When the GOP finally admits their sin, I'll join the big bandwagon being vocal about bringing down Clinton.

I see Clinton true blue to her brand of evil. The GOP try to hide theirs.

I'll probably vote with the GOP but I think they are scum.

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Mar 10, 2016 14:16:02   #
grey gringo Loc: South Texas
 
The GOP is being profoundly changed with the nomination of Trump. No longer will the status quo determine policy. There is a revolution happening before our eyes, a coalition forming between disaffected Republicans and Disaffected/disappointed Democrats....a movement of America First patriots, and they will not be denied...much to the chagrin of both the left and right , Trump is leading this movement and this movement will prevail. All corrupt politicians need to be aware that they will be prosecuted and if found guilty punished. Corsine, Clinton, Holder, McConnell, Little Lindsay Graham, etc, all the corruption will be exposed when the time comes. This is what the elites on both sides of the asile are terrified of. A Trump victory will be the end of the status quo. The end of them winning it either way.
Kevyn wrote:
The meltdown of the GOP will be the best thing for this nation since we won the second world war. A new Democratic senate will give consent to as many as four Democrat nominated Supreme Court nominees repairing the court for half a century. The republicans in savaging each other have created all of the ads the Democrats need for the general. The party claiming to represent family values has reduced itself to pointing out and arguing about which of them has the tiniest pecker on national TV while the Democrats debate policy and issues.
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Mar 10, 2016 14:41:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
grey gringo wrote:
The GOP is being profoundly changed with the nomination of Trump. No longer will the status quo determine policy. There is a revolution happening before our eyes, a coalition forming between disaffected Republicans and Disaffected/disappointed Democrats....a movement of America First patriots, and they will not be denied...much to the chagrin of both the left and right , Trump is leading this movement and this movement will prevail. All corrupt politicians need to be aware that they will be prosecuted and if found guilty punished. Corsine, Clinton, Holder, McConnell, Little Lindsay Graham, etc, all the corruption will be exposed when the time comes. This is what the elites on both sides of the asile are terrified of. A Trump victory will be the end of the status quo. The end of them winning it either way.
The GOP is being profoundly changed with the nomin... (show quote)


Trump is the new white trash establishment; a more sophisticated Jerry Springer.

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Mar 10, 2016 14:42:51   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Even a lot of Dems are waking up to what a scum bag Hillary is.




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I certainly hope so, eagleye. Just looking at her insincere, phony face makes me want to hurl. Again, at this last Democrat debate, she said Benghazi was very confusing, that so many things were happening during the Benghazi attacks. Then WHY DIDN'T SHE SAY SO!! INSTEAD, SHE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, OBAMA LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, SUSAN RICE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

One hour after releasing a statement that suggested that "inflammatory material posted on the Internet" might have some role in the attack that was then still in progress, Clinton told Chelsea that two Americans had been killed in Benghazi by an al-Qaeda-like group. That same night, she told the president of Libya that Ansar al Sharia was claiming responsibility. The next day, she told the Egyptian prime minister: "We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest."

Yet five days after the attack that killed four Americans, Susan Rice, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, went on five Sunday talk shows and gave the nation a different explanation. Still, neither Obama or Hillary told the truth!!!

Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio told the House Select Committee on Benghazi:
"It seems to me that night you had three options, Secretary: you could tell the truth, like you did with your family, like you did with the Libyan president, like you did with the Egyptian prime minister, tell them it was a terrorist attack.

"You could say, you know what, we're not quite sure....but you picked a third option. You picked the video narrative. You picked the one with no evidence, and you did it because Libya was supposed to be...this great success story for the Obama White House and the Clinton State Department. The "key campaign theme" in 2012 was "bin Laden's dead and al Qaeda is on the run."

"And now you have a terrorist attack. It's a terrorist attack in Libya. And it's just 56 days before an election. You can live with the protest about a video. That won't hurt you. But a terrorist attack will. So you can't be square with the American people.

"You can tell your family it's a terrorist attack, but not the American people. You can tell the president of Libya it's a terrorist attack, but not the American people. And you can tell the Egyptian prime minister it's a terrorist attack, but you can't tell your own people the truth."
And this liar - who lies in the face of parents who's children died under her supervision, and then has the temerity to call THEM liars. She suggested that their grief may have clouded their memories. Talk about COLD AND CRUEL.

This person who cannot tell the truth - wants to be our President - wants us to trust her. And the dead are not strangers to us either - they are our military, our family, our friends, the men and women who protect us with their own lives. How long will she wait before she starts lying about them again, as President? Or WILL she wait? Her arrogance knows no bounds!!

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Mar 10, 2016 14:46:45   #
CarolSeer2016
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
DOYLE McMANUS
THIS IS HOW a political party looks when it’s coming unglued. Last week, the Republicans’ two most recent presidential candidates, Mitt Romney and John McCain, denounced this year’s likely nominee, Donald Trump.
“Donald Trump is phony, a fraud,” Romney said. “His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.”
McCain piled on, warning that Trump’s views on foreign policy were “dangerous.”
Dozens of other Republicans, including a conservative U.S. senator, declared that they would not vote for Trump if he becomes the nominee.
And Thursday night’s televised debate among the candidates degenerated — again — into a shouting match of schoolyard insults.
This from a party that likes to thinks of itself not only as the natural party of government, but as the party of ideas and family values.
Romney and McCain are right, of course. Trump isn’t just divisive and vulgar; with his anticonstitutional impulses on foreign policy and law enforcement, he’s a danger to the country. His election as president would be a disaster, and not only for the GOP.
So leaders of the establishment have concocted a plan to fight back — which will almost certainly fail.
“This is a time for choosing,” Romney said, quoting Ronald Reagan. But Romney didn’t actually make a choice. Instead, he offered a multiple-choice endorsement.
“Given the current delegation selection process, that means I’d vote for Marco Rubio in Florida and for John Kasich in Ohio and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state,” Romney said.
The aim, in other words, isn’t to crown a single establishment favorite. It’s merely to deny Trump a majority of delegates before the July convention in Cleveland — and then let the convention decide, the way conventions did a century ago.
This last minute appeal isn’t likely to work for two reasons.
First, it won’t reduce Trump’s strength in the primaries much. It might even bolster it.
Many of the Trump voters who have pushed primary turnout to record levels are new voters, people who never saw much to like in Republican candidates before this year.
“Trump has brought out thousands of people we’ve never seen before,” one GOP operative told me.
In an NBC News exit poll, 85% of Trump’s voters in primaries on March 1 said they wanted a nominee from “outside the establishment.” Those people aren’t looking for advice from Romney or McCain.
Second, the establishment strategy is too complicated. If it’s to work, anti-Trump voters have to band together and vote for a different candidate in each state: Rubio in Florida, Kasich in Ohio, Cruz in North Carolina. Got that, everybody? Convincing social conservatives in Ohio to switch from Cruz to Kasich, or moderate Republicans in North Carolina to vote for Cruz, is a tough ask.
Plus there are only nine days to get the message out. Ohio and Florida vote on March 15. If Trump wins both (he’s ahead in the recent polls, although his lead in Ohio is narrow), the race will effectively be over.
To summon the inevitable sports metaphor, the establishment’s “fragmentation” strategy is a Hail Mary pass. As every football fan knows, Hail Mary passes are thrilling to watch, but they rarely produce touchdowns.
Sorry, GOP: You waited way too long to build an anti-Trump majority. Unless a miracle happens, you’re about to get knocked out by an anti-establishment wave — a wave you mistakenly encouraged in the first place.
By comparison, Trump’s strategy is pretty coherent. He’s already built a coalition of white working class voters, disgruntled moderates and “soft” evangelicals (the ones who don’t care how many times the candidate has been married).
His pluralities have generally become larger, not smaller, as other candidates have dropped out. Trump won the first primary in New Hampshire with 35%; last week, he won Georgia with 39% and Massachusetts — Massachusetts! — with 49%.
Establishment strategists figure the remaining primaries will be harder for Trump, since they’re open only to registered Republicans (unlike, say, New Hampshire, where independents can join in).
But even their best-case scenario concedes that Trump is likely to arrive in Cleveland with more delegates than anyone else. At that point, someone, somehow, will try to arrange a deal — among delegates pledged to candidates as varied as Cruz and Kasich, remember — to create a majority around a single anti-Trump figure. At which point that huge bloc of Trump delegates does what, exactly?
The only guarantee is chaos.
Trump could still win the nomination, prompting more boycotts by traditional Republicans. Or, less likely, the establishment could deny the frontrunner a prize he thinks he won fair and square — prompting an independent Trump campaign.
Either way, there’s already one winner: the Democratic candidate — who is almost certainly going to be Hillary Clinton.
There’s no exact historical analogy to the civil war in the GOP, but we’ve seen major parties fracture in the past. In 1968 and 1972, Democrats divided bitterly over the Vietnam war. In 1964, Barry Goldwater’s conservative insurgency split Republicans. Or go all the way back to 1912, when Theodore Roosevelt bolted from the GOP.
Notice a pattern? The party that divided lost the presidential election every time. doyle.mcmanus&#8201; @latimes.com &#8201; Twitter: @doylemcmanus
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