MarvinSussman

You started complaining only after Bush’s last “Benghazi”:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “Benghazi” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.” http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Preparation is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to Benghazi) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals whatever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the truth get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “Kill Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam.

Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…

MarvinSussman

You started complaining only after Bush’s last “Benghazi”:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “Benghazi” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.” http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Preparation is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to Benghazi) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals whatever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the truth get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “Kill Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam.

Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

During the attack, our beloved dictator was far to busy to spend time in the war room. The second blame falls on his policy about treatment of Tripoli. Third blame falls, I guess on the Sec'y of State; that seat's authority allows for providing protection of out citizens. The fourth, fifth sixth,... falls directly on the President of the United States and his "supposed" foreign policy.

MarvinSussman

You started complaining only after Bush’s last “Benghazi”:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “Benghazi” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.” http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Preparation is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to Benghazi) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals whatever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the truth get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “Kill Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam.

Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

this is why our c.i.c should always be a military veteran

falcon

Are they really stupid enough that 72 Virgins went to Allah ?

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

That is the key! That's why the lie. That's why the effort to keep those in the know quiet. Obama was trying to funnel weapons to Syria. We all saw the uproar it created when he finally came out in the open and tried to do it. The right AND the left were united against it. Anyone who sends any weapons to anyone in the Mideast - arguably with the exception of Israel - is friggin' insane. Those men were abandoned by Obama and the witch Hillary in an effort to keep their chump, political noses clean. That kind of thing needs to be brought out in the open because when people become aware of it, and they get sick enough of it, we might be able to put enough pressure on the f***heads in Washington to quit doing that stuff!

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

I have yet to see a president who hasn't involved us in some dipshit conflict or another in some fleabag foreign country, but since Obama is president now, he's the one that matters.

Cartoon world? They were trying to funnel weapons to Syrian rebels and didn't want that coming out so they concocted a foolish lie to cover the president and secretary of state.

When Benghazi short circuited, they tried to do it out in the open during the Assad gas attack thing. You saw how well that went over with the right and left both. The only ones who thought it was a good idea were the Establishment of both parties. It was eerie to see Cheney and Obama on the same page (They're on the same page with NSA spying on Americans too...icky!).

I don't know about you, but I think enough is enough. I've had a belly-full of being lied to, like they think I'm stupid. I'm willing to send the Republican Establishment packing. Are you willing to do the same for the Democrat Establishment? If you aren't, be prepared for more Benghazis and more twitchy investigations by both parties.

MarvinSussman

Ambassador Stevens and the CIA were purchasing weapons to get them off the market. Obama has steadfastly refused for two years to supply any but humanitarian aid and no weapons to any Syrian group and has taken a lot of flak for that. Your ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) is showing.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Trying to get them off the market?! THAT'S what you think? Purchasing from whom?

And you haven't been paying attention. Did you not notice the uproar when he openly tried to send weapons to the Syrians? For two years he refused to do as you say, and then for reasons not clear he suddenly decided it was OK after all. First he tried to do it secretly, which backfired, then he tried to do it openly, which also backfired. He was prepared to issue a typical Obama decree but the backlash was so bad he decided to "take it to Congress". Did none of that register with you?

As far as ODS goes, is that the standard dismissal of anything negative about the man's policies? Good luck with that one. The only one's who will buy it already don't need any convincing.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

I figured Marv must have slept through that:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/syria-arming-rebels/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/12/syria-rebels-arms/2803389/
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-11/world/41972742_1_lethal-aid-syrian-rebels-chemical-weapons

MarvinSussman

Ambassador Stevens and the CIA were purchasing weapons in Libya to get them off the market. Obama has steadfastly refused for two years to supply any but humanitarian aid and no weapons to any Syrian group and has taken a lot of flak for that. Your ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) is showing.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-boduszynski-benghazi-diplomacy-20131201,0,4117285.story#axzz2mE5rLG65

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Are you really so gullible that you actually believe that?

MarvinSussman

The weapons are purchased from people who have them and prefer the money. Was that so hard?

The recent decision to send light weapons (not anti-tank or anti-aircraft) to ONE particular group came about because of re-assessment of changing conditions as reported by the CIA. We call that "management".

Congress was involved only with attacking Assad's chemical weapons, not small arms delivery.

The typical Obama decree was a decision by the C-in-C concerning a threat to US interests. We call that "commanding".

Your ODS is showing.

bahmer

Obviously he is. He deals in circular logic. He also believes that we shouldn't be debt free. Basically a kook.