Someone wanted some FACTS!
1) Obama Administration-largest deficit in American history.
2) Obama Administration-largest stockpile of 10mm, .223, and 9mm ammunition to be stockpiled in US history.
3) Obama Administration-longest and most destructive recession since the 1930's.
4) Obama Administration-Largest racial gap since the 1940's.
5) Obama Administration-Lowest Senate, Congress ratings since, who knows?
6) Obama Administration-the most sluggish economy and job creation since the 1930's.
These are just the main "highlights", shall I go on?
larry wrote:
So what is now in place to prevent it from happening again if the crowd gets too large for their comfort?
Probably nothing! And our usurper made a law to put the national guards under his control! MY question is: If he doesn't obey the law...why should we obey him? The report on Kent state said that only one of the dead students was a "student" previously expelled for not attending classes (Polysci) the others were only radical agitators! And it seems that "Someone" discharged firecrackers from the building, making the weekend warriors think they were being fired on! The communists had that incident well planned! And yes, It could happen again! Obama's people just need an incident, the race riot in Sanford didn't work! They need a crisis! Then Martial law, and suspension of the constitution. President for life!
Snoopy wrote:
Jon
CBS News, Forbes are two of the sites
Snoopy
I googled and found Breitbart & other sources about govt. agency large ammo purchases. Interesingly none of them except one peculiar source made the matter out as a conspiracy, even Breitbart. One source noted that the NRA considered the amounts normal.
Thanks for giving me the way to get to sources so I could see where this "Obama will kill you" story line originated from. Somewhat ridiculous in the first place to think all these agencies could coordinate some control program. The military could manage such a thing I suppose if there were such a far-fetched thing as a conspiracy. It's like imagining the govt. plans to take over the internet on basis of hundreds of millions spent on govt. internet sites (the issue-plaged govt. healthcare site). As if they could coordinate something like that IF "they" wanted to.
It's far-fetched thinking like this that gives the extreme right a bad name with the general public.
astrolite wrote:
Probably nothing! And our usurper made a law to put the national guards under his control! MY question is: If he doesn't obey the law...why should we obey him? The report on Kent state said that only one of the dead students was a "student" previously expelled for not attending classes (Polysci) the others were only radical agitators! And it seems that "Someone" discharged firecrackers from the building, making the weekend warriors think they were being fired on! The communists had that incident well planned! And yes, It could happen again! Obama's people just need an incident, the race riot in Sanford didn't work! They need a crisis! Then Martial law, and suspension of the constitution. President for life!
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Gee, martial law, suspend constitution, Pres for life. What a scenario! What alternate universe are you from, Astrolite?
I agreewith you on all points. the only thing I know is that we have a very different military and country now than we did during the 1960's. I spent over 22 years active duty in the Army, and I know with out a doubt in my mind that if "bullets fly" inside the US borders, we will not have to worry about our military, they can and will support the populace and NOT the Obama "regime". The wild cards in this scenario are the groups like the ATF, DHS, DEA and others. They will start something on behalf of Obama before our military can step in.
astrolite wrote:
Probably nothing! And our usurper made a law to put the national guards under his control! MY question is: If he doesn't obey the law...why should we obey him? The report on Kent state said that only one of the dead students was a "student" previously expelled for not attending classes (Polysci) the others were only radical agitators! And it seems that "Someone" discharged firecrackers from the building, making the weekend warriors think they were being fired on! The communists had that incident well planned! And yes, It could happen again! Obama's people just need an incident, the race riot in Sanford didn't work! They need a crisis! Then Martial law, and suspension of the constitution. President for life!
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alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
jonhatfield wrote:
Maybe they read revolutionary and conspiracy fantasy posts and are paranoid about them? I'm kidding.
Your sources of information are as either crazy wingnut exaggerations or made up fantasy. If you want to return to sanity, check them out more closely. Don't be gullible. Or you might ask some source you trust about this military shoot Americans fantasy--for example, Charles Krauthammer.
Has it occurred to you or any other posters to wonder why no credible source speaks of this awful threat? That no credible source calls Obama a Muslim or hater of America? Accept the mainstream ordinariness rather than extremist craziness, please. At least consider it.
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it must make you proud to be the only one on this post smart enough to know what is true and right
jonhatfield wrote:
I googled and found Breitbart & other sources about govt. agency large ammo purchases. Interesingly none of them except one peculiar source made the matter out as a conspiracy, even Breitbart. One source noted that the NRA considered the amounts normal.
Thanks for giving me the way to get to sources so I could see where this "Obama will kill you" story line originated from. Somewhat ridiculous in the first place to think all these agencies could coordinate some control program. The military could manage such a thing I suppose if there were such a far-fetched thing as a conspiracy. It's like imagining the govt. plans to take over the internet on basis of hundreds of millions spent on govt. internet sites (the issue-plaged govt. healthcare site). As if they could coordinate something like that IF "they" wanted to.
It's far-fetched thinking like this that gives the extreme right a bad name with the general public.
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Keep digging! Next check out Obama's presidential directive banning any foreign guns or ammo from import! And then check out his EPA shutting the last lead refiner in America (Doe Run") I think it's in Wyoming? Then add those to the list, see if it quacks then?
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
larry wrote:
Do any of you remember the Ohio State infraction when troops fired on the students?
they were national guard not army
oldroy wrote:
And you were how old when the Kent State thing took place? Where do you get your info about that one? I was over 35 and certainly remember it. When that 10,000 students had been rioting and destroying university property for more than 2 days and one of the National Guard troops thought he heard a gunshot unlike what their weapons would sound like, naturally they panicked. Those "men" were all very young and panicked easily. Their commanding officer was maybe 25 and he panicked just as easily. I think they knew that if they brought some of the rioters down the riot would stop happening. Yes, those fewer than 30 kids who were related to many of those students were scared to death and didn't want to die any more than the rioters did.
Hey, how about someone here telling my why those kids were rioting, in the first place. I can tell you that they didn't think certain students at the university should be allowed to use their freedoms to do something. Now what was that something?
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It was a Vietnam protest demonstration organized by the Americans for Democratic action, a Trotskyite or Communist front group trying to manipulate protest toward revolutionary thinking and at same time support the international communist movement. Most of the demonstrators were genuinely opposed to the war, of course, but the manipulation toward extremism was also there. Near a decade earlier the cause of nuclear disarmament was similarly manipulated to extremism as unilateral nuclear disarmament, also attempts to manipulate civil rights to extremism and violence. I had small personal connections to the circumstances involved and efforts to thwart leftist manipulations in the early 1960s. Extremism of the left the danger then--extremism of the right the danger I see now from my experiences with extremism back then.
astrolite wrote:
Keep digging! Next check out Obama's presidential directive banning any foreign guns or ammo from import! And then check out his EPA shutting the last lead refiner in America (Doe Run") I think it's in Wyoming? Then add those to the list, see if it quacks then?
Yeah, it all quacks all right. Here ducky, ducky, ducky. It's almost Thanksgiving and there's a shortage of turkey but duck will do just fine.
Just what everyone needs for Thanksgiving, a nice fat duck fantasy story. I did so enjoy the extreme right wing's conspiracy scare story at Halloween but never hoped for another performance at Thanksgiving time. Another one for Christmas perhaps? That is, if we haven't all been shot dead by order of Obama. Quack. Quack.
jonhatfield wrote:
It was a Vietnam protest demonstration organized by the Americans for Democratic action, a Trotskyite or Communist front group trying to manipulate protest toward revolutionary thinking and at same time support the international communist movement. Most of the demonstrators were genuinely opposed to the war, of course, but the manipulation toward extremism was also there. Near a decade earlier the cause of nuclear disarmament was similarly manipulated to extremism as unilateral nuclear disarmament, also attempts to manipulate civil rights to extremism and violence. I had small personal connections to the circumstances involved and efforts to thwart leftist manipulations in the early 1960s. Extremism of the left the danger then--extremism of the right the danger I see now from my experiences with extremism back then.
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Jonhatfield, As they say you can't change the stripes, once a useful idiot always a useful idiot. I seldom use that word and actually hate the sound of it but it was the only word that fits you and Bluejacket. Between the two of you useful idiots you posted thirty comments on this thread and did not have one constructive thought between the two of you. Most posts were espousing your mental superiority while exposing both of you as mental midgets. You both are delusional in your rational which is obvious to all on this forum. Please take a break and attempt to educate yourselves in what's happening around you rather than continuously embarrassing yourselves.
P.S. The second amendment says what they meant it to say not what you think they meant it to say. End of conversation.
stymie wrote:
Jonhatfield, As they say you can't change the stripes, once a useful idiot always a useful idiot. I seldom use that word and actually hate the sound of it but it was the only word that fits you and Bluejacket. Between the two of you useful idiots you posted thirty comments on this thread and did not have one constructive thought between the two of you. Most posts were espousing your mental superiority while exposing both of you as mental midgets. You both are delusional in your rational which is obvious to all on this forum. Please take a break and attempt to educate yourselves in what's happening around you rather than continuously embarrassing yourselves.
P.S. The second amendment says what they meant it to say not what you think they meant it to say. End of conversation.
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You do like to stymie discussion, don't you. Do you have anything constructive to say besides idiot, delusional, and end of conversation? Your contribution to this forum isn't exactly substantive.
We americans have already been fire on -Remember hurricane Katrina? The local law enforcement gustopo came around to the homes taking guns away.They shot and killed an unarmed man for no real reason.Why hell yes they will.I don't think Obama realizes how much an army of 80 million americans pushed against the wall can do.
Dear Jon
Out of all those sites you saw NOTHING that might indicate something is going on?
I never saw the NRA state this is normal.
I am looking for facts to prove either point.
Any idea how to achieve that?
Snoopy
jonhatfield wrote:
It was a Vietnam protest demonstration organized by the Americans for Democratic action, a Trotskyite or Communist front group trying to manipulate protest toward revolutionary thinking and at same time support the international communist movement. Most of the demonstrators were genuinely opposed to the war, of course, but the manipulation toward extremism was also there. Near a decade earlier the cause of nuclear disarmament was similarly manipulated to extremism as unilateral nuclear disarmament, also attempts to manipulate civil rights to extremism and violence. I had small personal connections to the circumstances involved and efforts to thwart leftist manipulations in the early 1960s. Extremism of the left the danger then--extremism of the right the danger I see now from my experiences with extremism back then.
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In other words you have gone over to the left completely. And consider dangerous, those who want to go back to the constitution before it's too late. And those who can see the change over to the utopia imagined by those leftists. ( Those who never give up trying the "Grand Experiment" of communism. Even though it has never worked anywhere.) Well, your right, we are dangerous, our ancestors fought to found this country, it got to be the "heaven" for all the oppressed people suffering under your "Utopias" of communism all over the world! It did that not under Islam or Communism, (Although it has run amok) it did that under capitalism and the Christian religion. Remember, the one which DOESN'T advocate Killing or enslaving your neighbor? The one that advocates telling the truth, doesn't have a whole chapter on lying, yes that one, "Under God" notice your idol left that one out again? And you still say "he isn't a Muslim"??
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