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Nov 17, 2013 08:28:10   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
With all these street interviews I have to wonder just how smart these big city folks are, they look pretty stupid to me.



Poco624 wrote:
Right on! You know you're in a blue state when you are giving welfare to the red states because they are taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich. Then the red states expect a government handout, but the poor people who need food stamps will have them cut. That is why the blue states should cut their funding to the red states -- and watch them figure out a way to survive.

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Nov 17, 2013 08:34:33   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
bmac32 wrote:
With all these street interviews I have to wonder just how smart these big city folks are, they look pretty stupid to me.


Big city streets have been over trodden and should not be interviewed. Reporters seem to only interview the biggest doofuses they can find.

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Nov 17, 2013 08:58:55   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Young ones ya that's expected but 50-60 year olds it's not to me.


lpnmajor wrote:
Big city streets have been over trodden and should not be interviewed. Reporters seem to only interview the biggest doofuses they can find.

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Nov 17, 2013 10:05:39   #
bluejacket
 
Poco624 wrote:
Right on! You know you're in a blue state when you are giving welfare to the red states because they are taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich. Then the red states expect a government handout, but the poor people who need food stamps will have them cut. That is why the blue states should cut their funding to the red states -- and watch them figure out a way to survive.


this is the reasons a lot of people are giving for Blue State secession

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Nov 17, 2013 10:30:26   #
Poco624
 
bmac32 wrote:
With all these street interviews I have to wonder just how smart these big city folks are, they look pretty stupid to me.


If you are referring to the blue states sending money to the red states, yes they are really stupid. If they stopped the red states would have to start taxing the rich or go bankrupt, and you really should give those blue states more respect.

Your party is Robin Hood in reverse, taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Seriously, you think $10 thousand is more than $1 million, now that is really "stupid on steroids".

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Nov 17, 2013 10:40:38   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Your dead wrong, I do not have a party! I look around and states with republican governors are doing better than those controlled by democrats.


Poco624 wrote:
If you are referring to the blue states sending money to the red states, yes they are really stupid. If they stopped the red states would have to start taxing the rich or go bankrupt, and you really should give those blue states more respect.

Your party is Robin Hood in reverse, taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Seriously, you think $10 thousand is more than $1 million, now that is really "stupid on steroids".

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Nov 17, 2013 10:43:48   #
bluejacket
 
bmac32 wrote:
Your dead wrong, I do not have a party! I look around and states with republican governors are doing better than those controlled by democrats.


no they are not

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Nov 17, 2013 10:46:12   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Oh really! Maybe you can point some.


bluejacket wrote:
no they are not

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Nov 17, 2013 11:10:22   #
rickdri
 
bmac32 wrote:
You Know You're in a Blue State When...The Last Tax Increase Needs Another Tax Increase to Fix It

If you get the feeling we’re surrounded by fools, you’re not alone.

Fools crowd about us everywhere. But nowhere do the fools congregate more than in Illinois, both off the lake, upstate in Chicago, and downstate in Springfield where governors go to get indicted.

For example, downstate, in Springfield, the Illinois Legislature in 2011 hiked corporate taxes 30% and income taxes 67% in attempt to stop government pensions from bankrupting the state.

“The corporate income tax will rise from 7.3% to 9.5%, a 30 percent increase, becoming the fourth-highest state corporate income tax in the United States,” said the Tax Foundation at the time, “and the fourth-highest combined national-local corporate income tax in the industrialized world.”

Not only has Illinois not stopped the pension crisis, which now tops $100 billion, but they have turfed the economy, especially the creation of new jobs. And it's new jobs that really create new tax revenues.

The unemployment rate stands at 9.2% in Illinois versus 7.3% in the rest of the country.

People warned Illinois pols at the time that the precipitous rise in taxes would only hurt the economy and chase businesses to other more tax-friendly states.

"It's like living next door to 'The Simpsons', you know the dysfunctional family down the block?" quipped Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels, the state just to the east (and south) of Illinois.

And indeed it is.

But business is still booming for the politicos.

Because there is only one thing better than a sock-it-to-the-corporation tax increase.

And that’s an EXEMPTION to the sock-it-to-the-corporation tax increase.

Who needs lobbyists when you have friends like these?

Businesses are lining up in Illinois to ask for special carve-outs and exemptions from the tax, because you know... taxes are bad for business (rimshot!).

Everyone knows that.

Or at least the folks at Navistar and Sears know that.

According to the Wall Street Journal they are amongst the companies that got carve-outs worth $500 million in tax breaks to stay in Illinois, with Office Depot on deck waiting for their carve-out next.

“In addition to Office Depot,” says the WSJ “at least four companies are awaiting word on special tax credits that require legislative approval. A proposal offering Archer Daniels Midland Co. ADM incentives to remain in the state and hire new workers also failed to pass in the special session.”

But that’s only because we have elections coming up.

Why give Office Depot-- or ADM-- for free what politicos can charge them for twice?

Not to be outdone, the fools upstate in Chicago just saw their credit rating from Fitch’s rating service drop, “citing the city's sluggish economy and its inability to find a solution to its union pension obligations,” reports CNBC.

In July, Moody’s downgraded Chicago debt saying: “While the onus is on the state to reduce the city's pension obligations, it is the purview of the city to increase revenues to support those obligations. Absent significant growth in the city's operating revenues, escalating pension funding requirements will increasingly strain the city's operating budget, as pension outlays compete with other spending priorities, including debt service and public safety.”

Yeah, like cops are getting laid off. Ha!

In Chicago? Riiiight.

Don’t you know that’s someone’s nephew?

The solution, as Moody’s points out, is more and higher taxes. Politicos have gilded pensions so thoroughly that there is no chance in getting relief from pension spending in Illinois. And that income tax increase passed in 2011 was only supposed to be temporary anyway.

So right on time State Rep. Naomi Jakobsson (D), who represents land of the endless highway, at the intersection of highways US-57 and US-74 has proposed a tax increase that would raise taxes on anyone making more than $18,000 per year.

I think I made more than that in my first job in 1979 (Bellman, Evanston Holiday Inn, pictured below).

Supporters say that the tax would raise “as much as an additional $2.4 billion in revenue under one scenario,” reports the Southern.com.

And you know what that means?

When you’re faced with a $100 billion pension shortfall and you raise $2.4 billion from middle class families, you can do a lot more carve-outs for campaign-friendly corporations.

True, unemployment in Illinois won’t get better, but for a lot fools’ nephews, it won’t get worse either.

Wink.
You Know You're in a Blue State When...The Last Ta... (show quote)


Great post. People seem to think that the democrats are only for the middle class and the poor. Yet their actions always prove which side of their bread is buttered. They will always choose to help whoever donates the most buttered bread to their re-election coffers.

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Nov 17, 2013 11:38:33   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
bluejacket wrote:
I wonder how many of you red state intellectuals would support blue state secession , and give your selves a chance to prove you repressive political and social stratagems , just curious


go ahead and test us

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Nov 17, 2013 11:42:23   #
son of witless
 
jcahill425 wrote:
You know you're in a blue state when:

1. The poverty level is lower

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate

2. The education level is higher

http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/15/americas-best-and-worst-educated-states/

3. And they receive less welfare

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

Facts are facts. People are being lied to, and it is easy to lie to them when you keep them uneducated, poor and dependent. I have lived in red and blue states, and I would take Massachusetts over Missouri any day. I could not get over the stupidity, or maybe just ignorance. Maybe it's just me, since growing up in Boston I had access to some of the best schools in the nation, but most people I met down south lacked even basic knowledge. Most even believed that Earth is only 6k years old despite all evidence and facts stating otherwise.
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No cherry pickin there, huh? Why doncha cite unemployment rates by states? Why doncha cite state debt and unfunded pension liabilities?

Facts are facts and yes depending how you arrange them , they can lie. You know lying, right? Name the last Democrat in the White House who was not a serial liar.

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Nov 17, 2013 11:54:16   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Yes they are.

10.) New Hampshire democrat since 2005
9.) Connecticut democrat since 2011
8.) Washington democrat since 1985
7.) North Carolina republican since 2013
6.) Vermont democrat since 2011
5.) Maine republican since 2010
4.) New Jersey republican since 2010
3.) Arizona republican since 2009
2.) Illinois democrat since 2009
1. Nevada republican since 2011

Balancing the budget isn't just a federal problem -- it's a state one as well. The Great Recession resulted in some of the lowest state revenues in years, and some of the biggest budget shortfalls of all time. According to a report on state budgets by the Center for Budget Policy Priorities, dozens of states faced shortages of hundreds of millions -- or even billions -- of dollars.
24/7 Wall St. examined the 10 states that had budget shortfalls of 27% or more of their general funds for fiscal year 2011 -- the states that were short the most money before they balanced their budgets. For the most part, those with the worst budget gaps also had among the most anemic economies. And because of their budget problems, all of them have been forced to make dramatic cuts to government services.

Every state but Vermont is required by its own laws to balance its budget each year. In order to do so recently, governments have had to take extreme measures, instituting deep cuts that hurt wide array of their residents. In the 2011 fiscal year, 29 states made cuts to services for the disabled and elderly, 34 reduced funds for K-12 and early education, and all but six states reduced positions, benefits or wages of government employees.

The housing crisis was one of the primary causes for many of the largest budget deficits. Sick housing markets weaken the economy and lower tax bases, which hurts state revenues. So it's no surprise that states such as Nevada, Illinois and Arizona -- which saw some of the worst real estate declines -- made the list. Home values in Nevada led the nation in declines between 2006 and 2010. Home values in Arizona decreased the fifth-largest amount over that same period.

More generally, weak state economies contributed to falling revenues and rising budget shortfalls: States with slower-growing economies tended to have a larger budget gaps. And although the GDP of every state in the nation grew between 2006 and 2010, seven of the 10 states on this list were among the 15 with the smallest increases.

But those generalizations don't tell the whole story: In four of the 10 states, home values actually rose between 2006 and 2010. Similarly, other states with budget shortfalls weathered the recession relatively well and managed to maintain fairly healthy economies. In Washington state, for example, the median income rose 5.8%, the 16th-most in the country, while GDP increased 13.4%, the 12th most.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/01/12/the-10-states-with-the-most-trouble-paying-their-bills/#!slide=981322



bluejacket wrote:
no they are not

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Nov 17, 2013 12:01:49   #
rickdri
 
bmac32 wrote:
Oh really! Maybe you can point some.


I can point to my own state of Indiana. We have a $1 billion plus surplus in our budget. The unemployment rate is not great but it is getting better. We have lost a lot of our manufacturing jobs over the years but we are slowly recovering due to conservative governmental policies.

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Nov 17, 2013 12:17:40   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
The whole Midwest is looking for jobs but my point was the people do better with a republican governor.


rickdri wrote:
I can point to my own state of Indiana. We have a $1 billion plus surplus in our budget. The unemployment rate is not great but it is getting better. We have lost a lot of our manufacturing jobs over the years but we are slowly recovering due to conservative governmental policies.

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Nov 17, 2013 12:33:12   #
rickdri
 
bmac32 wrote:
The whole Midwest is looking for jobs but my point was the people do better with a republican governor.


Point well taken and so true!!

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