cimiron

It was just a response to an ignorant person, I believe in the soverignty of the USA not Obama

vernon

just what danger does a right wing extremest put you in?

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I am not to keen on this self serving. I may want my way but if I don't keep you self interest in mind as I seek my self interest there may be a conflict.

As you may note this is a forum filled with self serving ideals.

I say life is full of give & take. One must never give up nor take to much. We need to allow each other the room to live.

Neither to much or too little.

Power taken is power misused. Power given up is as bad as it being taken. We are equals & most treat others as such & demand that we be treated the same.

LAwrence

True! Obama could not have done anything without the help of both parties in congress.

vernon

the dems started using extreme just after ww2 and tried to paint the republicans as nazis and they use it to this day.if you notice reid uses extreme constantly because he doesnt like what the republicans say or do.now my true belief is that the last 4 presidents have been socialist.when bush 1 was running during the debates he said something about the new world order and he lost my vote .then i voted for ross perot who said passing nafta was going to destroy our jobs.the giant sucking sound you will hear is jobs being drained down to mexico.so what do the dems and reps do? they passed fast track for china and that is the cause of our economic pain today.now this pres is working on trans pacific partnership which gives the economic engine to the rest of the world.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

It seems that I read, that the founders believed that politics should not be a part of our government.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_writing_the_Constitution_what_did_the_Founding_Fathers_say_about_political_parties#slide1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/willard-sterne-randall/founding-fathers-political-parties_b_1843593.html

I don't agree with the latter that the Republican party came out of the Federalists. The Federalist were for big government, I don't see that as part of the Republican party at any time in the past untill maybe Nixon.

It also says that Jefferson and Madison, were the founders of the Democrat party. I strongly oppose that thought because The name of their party was the " Democratic Republicans". They were for small government.

But the existence of the two "Party's" is where I believe our political problems come into play.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

claytonln Loc: Kansas

What I didn't see in these articles is the Tea Party. I am not saying there aren't right wing extremists, I just don't see that in the Tea Party.

vernon

the tea party is a supporter of the constitution which both parties are working to destroy.they should be done away with one way or the other

vernon

i think the republicans came out of the abolitionist movement .

claytonln Loc: Kansas

The republican party came out of the Whig party in 1854 or 1856. The Democrat party started out as the Democratic Republicans. But dropped the Republican part of the name, I think, under Andrew Jackson.

What I really wonder is, if all political party's were banned, would that take the politics away? I know the founders warned against politics in government, and that "party's" would create a divide in the nation. So the different party's is what causes politics? It must be.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

comcash1 Loc: the UK

Hello again Mr Hatfield....



I am responding to your recent post about
'igorantl' people on your forum.


What you posted was a good start. The
ameircan citizens are going to survive the
era of Obama.Maybe theres gong to be
some serious pain from his private agenda
criminal acitivies while in office..but for the
most part..the american and canadian
citiizens will surive the era of Obama..or
the dream of america will disappear into
the mists of history..


300 million fairly well schooled american
citizens are not going to let the Obama
complete his Nazi agenda.That is why a
2nd american revolution is coming that
the american citizens will suririve and are
going to win.


>'We the people'< have spoken and are now
speaknig again becuase the Obama chose to
totally igmore what the american peolple were
first saying. So the Obama can not fast talk
or scam his way out of the 'political jam' that
he has now put himself into as regards to
changes to be made to his ObamaCare
program.


IF those changes are not made by Obama
as requested by the citizens and the
insurance cmpanies...then ObamaCare is
trulyu DOA.and he will soon be leaving
office. in disgrace..or possibly in a body
bag.


Also..if your recent post was meant for me...
I do not consider myself an ignorant person.
I may not be as well schooled as some otherr
people..but I'm also not ignorantt, retarded
or stupid.


As a business ownere...I can hold my own
in meetings with some extremely well
educated professional peoples.From storre
cashiers with nursing degrese to current and
former military partrots to the owners of
venture capital companies to the sr managers
of global hedge fund companies....I've done
it .. In closing this out..have a safe and
most pleasant thankgiving holiday.


regards,
Mr Scott
The MoneyWorkz [tm]
usa
comcash1@gmail.com

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

The Democrats originated with Jefferson's opposition to the Federalists and Hamilton. Madison-Monroe-J.Q.Adams were "more or less" consensus between Jeffersonians and Federalist viewpoints. Jackson and the populist movement of the time renewed the political division between those who opposed wider federal action and those who favored it (the Whigs). The GOP followed the Whigs. Thus the Dems as a party trace back to Jefferson and the Jacksonians. The GOP comes through the line of Federalists and Whigs.

However, in the 1930s the position of the two parties regarding federal government programs reversed. The extent of the reversal did not become obvious until Reagan's Presidency and attempts to cut back federal programs (or at least I did not recognize it until then). With the phenomenon of the Tea Party as equivalent to the populist wing of the Jacksonians the GOP can be seen clearly as having become the present-day Jacksonians. The Dems have been the equivalent of the Federalists, Whigs, and the original GOP from the 1930s onward.

This reversal of original political party positions is, of course, a bit confusing. So far as I know none of the history books note the reversal, although it dates back near 80 years. Perhaps that's because the shift wasn't clear until Reaganism. Otherwise we had been so preoccupied with the Cold War and the Korea and Vietnam battles in that war that the histoy of domestic politics and parallels to earlier politics were much analyzed.

I hope this helps you understand the situation, Vernon. It's interesting that the United Nations, organized like our federal union, has some degree of the same two divergent viewpoints of advocacy of UN action in various crises such as Somalia, Bosnia, Libya, Syria, etc. versus opposition to the UN interferring in nations' internal affairs. The U.S. and West advocate action and Russia and China call it interference in internal affairs of Iran, Syria, etc. Ironic, isn't it?

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Okay, Jefferson was a republican, I just read that. Jackson was a democrat. The difference back then was not that great.