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Dec 7, 2015 17:40:35   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Domain is by proxy.... so where does this website originate???? Take a guess!!!


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Dec 7, 2015 17:50:36   #
okie don
 
Thanx boomie.
There's a few on this site that@@ see it like it really is.

Too damn bad more don't think outside the box.

Some really think Columbus discovered America like they were taught in kindergarten.

There really are some intelligent posters on OPP that I truly enjoy.
Thank goodness...

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Dec 7, 2015 17:53:50   #
payne1000
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Domain is by proxy.... so where does this website originate???? Take a guess!!!


"The Truth In Media Project, founded by award-winning journalist Ben Swann, is THE source for uninfluenced, reliable and fearless news.

Mainstream media has failed to provide an honest representation of current and past events, and the public is fully aware. Your news or vision of current events at home or across the globe must not be leveraged.

Ben’s story and history demonstrates a clear path to the creation of TruthInMedia.com. Earning his master’s degree in history at age 16, Ben Swannamassing journalistic awards including Emmy’s and Edward R. Murrow awards, Ben’s mission has always been clear: journalism, the Fourth Estate, must be free from undue or corrupting influence. Whether challenging the “Left vs. Right paradigm” or witnessing firsthand the misrepresentations of the Mexican drug war, Ben’s mission is focused, intentional and highly credible."

http://truthinmedia.com/about/

So . . . what were you saying?

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Dec 7, 2015 18:54:06   #
boomie54
 
Pennylynn wrote:
My husband, may G*d give him rest, worked on the flight line when he was in the service, so I know something about airplanes. Here is what I know, form reading his books and hanging out with the guys who worked with my husband and what I learned from reading the after action reports on the Twins (WTC)

First let us consider what Professor Alastair Soane said about the WTC and if they were as you think built to withstand an airplane strike: "They were extremely robust buildings and built to withstand a tremendous amount.
A large cannon shooting blanks.

"But this was of course a completely abnormal situation and one which would not have been envisaged by the people who built it. (the plans for the WTC was drawn up in the 50s). The strength of the towers was enormous but they would not have been designed for aircraft strikes.

"There are buildings which are designed to withstand plane impacts but these are mainly for very sensitive buildings. The main impact on a building would be from the engines because they hold the mass of the plane, but there is also the fuel which would ignite.

Now for the building, the spandrels that made up the outer frame of the WTC at the 70-90 floor range were made up of 3/8" steel with a 14" box beam behind the fascia steel (clad in aluminum) also made up of 3/8" steel. In between the spandrels was approximately 26 inches of tempered glass. These spandrels were connected by four (4) bolts and light welding. See, FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection, page D-5.

The aircraft wings and center fuel tank of a 767 holds approximately 23,980 gallons of jet fuel. It is estimated that only 10,000 gallons was on board, with the aircraft taking off with only a partial load of fuel (only what it needed for its transcontinental flight plus the required FAA/Delta-mandated reserve)and burning a fixed amount on its flight. 10,000 gallons weighs about 60,000 lbs (Jet fuel weighs about 6.84 lbs per gallon). Now then, 30 tons of fuel spread between two wings, or about 1,500 gallons per wing would equal to about 9,000 pounds per wing.... about 4.5 tons in each wing. And then the center fuel tank with about 20 tons of fuel. http://simviation.com//rinfo75767.htm
http://www.streamline-ops.com/en/info/fuel_weight_conversion_tables/

Moving on to the aircraft itself, there is another estimated 25-30 tons of dense, heavy metal included in the construction of these jets, from titanium to steel to solid aluminum making up elements such as the wing spar support infrastructure. http://www.boeing.com/history/products/767.page
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/plan_manuals.page

Now then for the CT, the airplane should have "bounced" off the WTC or exploded on the outside of the building.

The aircraft, see above references is 155 feel long, and at the time of impact weighed close to 100 tons..... with four tons of fuel in the wings and another 20 tons at center. It was traveling at cruising speed, 493 knots = 567.334 267 876 mile/hour (mph) official max cruising speed... which is the speed necessary to maneuver without stalling.... how is it that the CT thinks it should have crumpled up when hitting 3/8 inch steel and tempered glass?

And what was the catalyst to cause it to explode outside of the building. http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/ht960724.htm
"Modern jet fuel has a much higher flame point and vapour pressure than does regular gasoline as a result. Fuel tanks are fitted with baffles and sometimes coolers to keep the fuel liquid so it doesn't explode easily. This is in part a result of what happened to TWA800, one of the very few accidents to be caused by a fuel tank explosion (and there the explosion was itself only possible due to a combination of rare circumstances and chance events, made worse by maintenance problems with the aircraft).
The image of aircraft (and cars, trains, ships, buildings, anything really) blowing up in a wall of flame at the least trouble is one created and perpetuated by Hollywood and has no reflection in reality whatsoever." "The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel—and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film." "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/1809/is-it-possible-to-prevent-plane-accidents-due-to-fuel-explosion
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Okay...so an airplane is thicker than what you report.
The WTC was designed in the 1950s and was not designed to withstand the crash of a plane built in the 1990s.
It was not the crash that took down the building, it was the burning fuel traveling down the elevators shafts that weakened the building core....
My husband, may G*d give him rest, worked on the f... (show quote)

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Dec 7, 2015 19:17:05   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Over 2,200 A & E's have signed a petition for a legitimate investigation.
Pennylynn wrote:
One person's opinion does not outweigh the collective evidence presented. One person can be very wrong, just look in the mirror.


911 A&E sites:
Over 2200 Architects And Engineers Demolish The 'Official' 9 .
http://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth


Everything all Americans should know about 911 in under 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_IZaUuK_d0
Exposing the fraud of 9/11 in 22 minutes
http://youtu.be/afUS_58XC5I

Firefighter Exposes Conspiracy
http://youtu.be/RR2VefBj-_U


Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
The 911 False Flag will not be swept under the rug.
Rebecca Roth, a former stewardess, has researched 9/11 more exhaustively than most of us. She has more insight into airline procedures and equipment than most. In this video she explains many of the connections of people and corporations which were involved in the attacks This is a bombshell of information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk

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Dec 7, 2015 19:48:21   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
Your report was a very clear and honest disclosure...

Those that want to believe that a conspiracy by the government or others will not be swayed by your report...

It's like the Left can't be swayed nor can we on the right...

So thank you for the report I will forward it... Don D.

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Dec 7, 2015 20:39:14   #
boomie54
 
Pennylynn wrote:
My husband, may G*d give him rest, worked on the flight line when he was in the service, so I know something about airplanes. Here is what I know, form reading his books and hanging out with the guys who worked with my husband and what I learned from reading the after action reports on the Twins (WTC)

First let us consider what Professor Alastair Soane said about the WTC and if they were as you think built to withstand an airplane strike: "They were extremely robust buildings and built to withstand a tremendous amount.
A large cannon shooting blanks.

"But this was of course a completely abnormal situation and one which would not have been envisaged by the people who built it. (the plans for the WTC was drawn up in the 50s). The strength of the towers was enormous but they would not have been designed for aircraft strikes.

"There are buildings which are designed to withstand plane impacts but these are mainly for very sensitive buildings. The main impact on a building would be from the engines because they hold the mass of the plane, but there is also the fuel which would ignite.

Now for the building, the spandrels that made up the outer frame of the WTC at the 70-90 floor range were made up of 3/8" steel with a 14" box beam behind the fascia steel (clad in aluminum) also made up of 3/8" steel. In between the spandrels was approximately 26 inches of tempered glass. These spandrels were connected by four (4) bolts and light welding. See, FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection, page D-5.

The aircraft wings and center fuel tank of a 767 holds approximately 23,980 gallons of jet fuel. It is estimated that only 10,000 gallons was on board, with the aircraft taking off with only a partial load of fuel (only what it needed for its transcontinental flight plus the required FAA/Delta-mandated reserve)and burning a fixed amount on its flight. 10,000 gallons weighs about 60,000 lbs (Jet fuel weighs about 6.84 lbs per gallon). Now then, 30 tons of fuel spread between two wings, or about 1,500 gallons per wing would equal to about 9,000 pounds per wing.... about 4.5 tons in each wing. And then the center fuel tank with about 20 tons of fuel. http://simviation.com//rinfo75767.htm
http://www.streamline-ops.com/en/info/fuel_weight_conversion_tables/

Moving on to the aircraft itself, there is another estimated 25-30 tons of dense, heavy metal included in the construction of these jets, from titanium to steel to solid aluminum making up elements such as the wing spar support infrastructure. http://www.boeing.com/history/products/767.page
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/plan_manuals.page

Now then for the CT, the airplane should have "bounced" off the WTC or exploded on the outside of the building.

The aircraft, see above references is 155 feel long, and at the time of impact weighed close to 100 tons..... with four tons of fuel in the wings and another 20 tons at center. It was traveling at cruising speed, 493 knots = 567.334 267 876 mile/hour (mph) official max cruising speed... which is the speed necessary to maneuver without stalling.... how is it that the CT thinks it should have crumpled up when hitting 3/8 inch steel and tempered glass?

And what was the catalyst to cause it to explode outside of the building. http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/ht960724.htm
"Modern jet fuel has a much higher flame point and vapour pressure than does regular gasoline as a result. Fuel tanks are fitted with baffles and sometimes coolers to keep the fuel liquid so it doesn't explode easily. This is in part a result of what happened to TWA800, one of the very few accidents to be caused by a fuel tank explosion (and there the explosion was itself only possible due to a combination of rare circumstances and chance events, made worse by maintenance problems with the aircraft).
The image of aircraft (and cars, trains, ships, buildings, anything really) blowing up in a wall of flame at the least trouble is one created and perpetuated by Hollywood and has no reflection in reality whatsoever." "The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel—and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film." "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/1809/is-it-possible-to-prevent-plane-accidents-due-to-fuel-explosion
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Okay...so an airplane is thicker than what you report.
The WTC was designed in the 1950s and was not designed to withstand the crash of a plane built in the 1990s.
It was not the crash that took down the building, it was the burning fuel traveling down the elevators shafts that weakened the building core....
My husband, may G*d give him rest, worked on the f... (show quote)

A large cannon shooting blanks

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Dec 7, 2015 21:08:18   #
okie don
 
Fine report Penny,
but after gathering all the FACTS I could, except for the 28 pages The PTB wouldn't let the 'sheeple' see.( I well may have mentioned 'Massoud'), thermimite did it.
Just like building #7 that the 'official' report would not touch...

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Dec 7, 2015 21:20:13   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Don,

I am willing to entertain that idea... so, how does it work? How did they get it into the buildings....as I would imagine that they would have to plant it in all the buildings. How much would they need....and how did they set it off? In general, please tell me what you know.

I am asking these questions not to be argumentative, but because I do not know.

And the document you could not get??? Was it FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection? If so, I can provide you a copy.

okie don wrote:
Fine report Penny,
but after gathering all the FACTS I could, except for the 28 pages The PTB wouldn't let the 'sheeple' see.( I well may have mentioned 'Massoud'), thermimite did it.
Just like building #7 that the 'official' report would not touch...

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Dec 7, 2015 22:02:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Don,

I am willing to entertain that idea... so, how does it work? How did they get it into the buildings....as I would imagine that they would have to plant it in all the buildings. How much would they need....and how did they set it off? In general, please tell me what you know.

I am asking these questions not to be argumentative, but because I do not know.

And the document you could not get??? Was it FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection? If so, I can provide you a copy.

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Dec 7, 2015 22:20:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PL "I am willing to entertain that idea... so, how does it work? How did they get it into the buildings....as I would imagine that they would have to plant it in all the buildings. How much would they need....and how did they set it off?"
That is why 2'200 A & E's signed a petition for a legitimate investigation. Building 7, the third WTC building to collapse, wasn't even mentioned in the official report.

Everything all Americans should know about 911 in under 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_IZaUuK_d0
Exposing the fraud of 9/11 in 22 minutes
http://youtu.be/afUS_58XC5I

Firefighter Exposes Conspiracy
http://youtu.be/RR2VefBj-_U


Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
The 911 False Flag will not be swept under the rug.
Rebecca Roth, a former stewardess, has researched 9/11 more exhaustively than most of us. She has more insight into airline procedures and equipment than most. In this video she explains many of the connections of people and corporations which were involved in the attacks This is a bombshell of information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk







Pennylynn wrote:
Don,

I am willing to entertain that idea... so, how does it work? How did they get it into the buildings....as I would imagine that they would have to plant it in all the buildings. How much would they need....and how did they set it off? In general, please tell me what you know.

I am asking these questions not to be argumentative, but because I do not know.

And the document you could not get??? Was it FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection? If so, I can provide you a copy.

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Dec 7, 2015 22:29:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
eagleye13 wrote:
PL "I am willing to entertain that idea... so, how does it work? How did they get it into the buildings....as I would imagine that they would have to plant it in all the buildings. How much would they need....and how did they set it off?"
That is why 2'200 A & E's signed a petition for a legitimate investigation. Building 7, the third WTC building to collapse, wasn't even mentioned in the official report.

Everything all Americans should know about 911 in under 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_IZaUuK_d0
Exposing the fraud of 9/11 in 22 minutes
http://youtu.be/afUS_58XC5I

Firefighter Exposes Conspiracy
http://youtu.be/RR2VefBj-_U


Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
The 911 False Flag will not be swept under the rug.
Rebecca Roth, a former stewardess, has researched 9/11 more exhaustively than most of us. She has more insight into airline procedures and equipment than most. In this video she explains many of the connections of people and corporations which were involved in the attacks This is a bombshell of information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk
PL "I am willing to entertain that idea... so... (show quote)

SOSDD--STOP BEATHING THE DEAD HORSE
SOSDD--STOP BEATHING THE DEAD HORSE...

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Dec 7, 2015 22:59:28   #
okie don
 
I guess hashing the 9-11 stuff is a dead horse, as you suggest.
Maybe time would be better spent occupying out brilliant minds on the economy and what effects BRICS will have on the ,'Petrodollar'and how soon our entire economy will collapse.
OR
What actions Americans should take without 'elected representatives' relating to the Muslim problem besting down on us. Huh?

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Dec 7, 2015 22:59:29   #
okie don
 
I guess hashing the 9-11 stuff is a dead horse, as you suggest.
Maybe time would be better spent occupying out brilliant minds on the economy and what effects BRICS will have on the ,'Petrodollar'and how soon our entire economy will collapse.
OR
What actions Americans should take without 'elected representatives' relating to the Muslim problem besting down on us. Huh?

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Dec 7, 2015 22:59:39   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
The 911 False Flag will not be swept under the rug.
Rebecca Roth, a former stewardess, has researched 9/11 more exhaustively than most of us. She has more insight into airline procedures and equipment than most. In this video she explains many of the connections of people and corporations which were involved in the attacks This is a bombshell of information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk

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