boomie54

I'm not a Muslim, Christian or Jew, I have no use for organized religion. I'm a libertarian and pretty much don't care for dogma.
Anyway, I don't expect to change your mind about anything, and you almost surely won't change mine. That having been said, I would like to counter-comment on the "beer can" issue, as a licensed aircraft mechanic, I have some knowledge about this.
Commercial aircraft are built as light as possible and still be safe to fly in a pretty narrow set of parameters. They are made to fly through air, not buildings. If you shrunk a jumbo jet down to the size of a beer can, the wall thickness would be about the same.
On the other hand, these buildings were designed to withstand getting hit by a large aircraft. The center core of the twin towers was a cone shaped set of boxes surrounding the elevator shafts made of 4" thick structural steel plates. A WW2 German Panzer only had about 3" of frontal armor.
So what about all the jet fuel? I took the latent heat of two tanks of jet fuel in calories and took the amount of steel in the buildings and did the math and if that amount of fuel transferred 100% of its latent energy to the metal, it would only raise the temperature of the steel by 12 degrees F. Obviously the heat wasn't evenly distributed throughout the building and most of the jet fuel either burned outside the building or didn't burn with 100% efficiency, but it does give some perspective on the relative mass involved.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Another good one boomie.
Strange how many people can't use basic common sense, and basic laws of physics a grade schooler can understand.
Then the dozens of "coincidences".

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

So Jews have 98 percent of the world as completion for resources.... and still they own 99 percent of everything... either your information is faulty or we must be doing something right. Of course there is the other possibility, that Jews are favored by G*d and is blessed in all they do.

payne1000

Assuming there is a God, and that's a huge assumption, why would God favor Jews who conspired to kill his only son in a most horrendous manner?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

The prince of darkness has his time/age. America is no longer blessed. A servant of others.
The begats in the Bible are there for a reason.
All the lineages are there for a reason.
The types and shadows are there for a reason.
Poor old Pennylynn, with all her education, has not figured that out yet.
The Rabbis were highly educated also.
There is just something about the spirit getting involved.
We are all creatures of choice, but no choice in who bares us.
The luck of the draw?
It is something much deeper to my way of thinking.
I do not have the answer to this; but I consider myself blessed to be born of Christians, in America, that were not air heads. They did their own studying away from organized religious sects, and taught me to do that as well. They taught me to think. To research. To care about getting to the truth.
After all; the truth is the reality we are living.
This is the warning to God's servant people: Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.
Matthew 7:18
Ephesians Ch 6:10 to 6:18 > especially 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of the world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Major –This is mostly for others reading this thread: I am not going to spend hours enlightening you on what dozens of books reveal (The Thirteenth Tribe for one), or the interpretation of the Bible. But one has to at least know the difference between Esau/Edom and Jacob/Israel (blood lines). The term "Jew" is used in relation to those having the religion, those of tribe of Judah, and national Israel. Those that migrated from Russia are Ashkenazi/Khazar Mongol Turks. Also there is the bloodline that is heavily Esau/Edomite, the one that sold his birthright to Jacob/Israel. Now there is speculation that many are trying to return to Ukraine. I will not go into the migrations of this people and their money changing/banking/usurious ways. There is a reason they have been kicked out of many countries over the centuries. As the Bible says; by their fruits you should know them.
Israel is supposed to be a blessing unto all nations. Have they been a blessing unto all nations?
Has America been a blessing to other nations lately? I think not. A whole lot of wars and destruction going on all over the place.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

My husband, may G*d give him rest, worked on the flight line when he was in the service, so I know something about airplanes. Here is what I know, form reading his books and hanging out with the guys who worked with my husband and what I learned from reading the after action reports on the Twins (WTC)

First let us consider what Professor Alastair Soane said about the WTC and if they were as you think built to withstand an airplane strike: "They were extremely robust buildings and built to withstand a tremendous amount.


"But this was of course a completely abnormal situation and one which would not have been envisaged by the people who built it. (the plans for the WTC was drawn up in the 50s). The strength of the towers was enormous but they would not have been designed for aircraft strikes.

"There are buildings which are designed to withstand plane impacts but these are mainly for very sensitive buildings. The main impact on a building would be from the engines because they hold the mass of the plane, but there is also the fuel which would ignite.

Now for the building, the spandrels that made up the outer frame of the WTC at the 70-90 floor range were made up of 3/8" steel with a 14" box beam behind the fascia steel (clad in aluminum) also made up of 3/8" steel. In between the spandrels was approximately 26 inches of tempered glass. These spandrels were connected by four (4) bolts and light welding. See, FEMA’s WTC Steel Data Collection, page D-5.

The aircraft wings and center fuel tank of a 767 holds approximately 23,980 gallons of jet fuel. It is estimated that only 10,000 gallons was on board, with the aircraft taking off with only a partial load of fuel (only what it needed for its transcontinental flight plus the required FAA/Delta-mandated reserve)and burning a fixed amount on its flight. 10,000 gallons weighs about 60,000 lbs (Jet fuel weighs about 6.84 lbs per gallon). Now then, 30 tons of fuel spread between two wings, or about 1,500 gallons per wing would equal to about 9,000 pounds per wing.... about 4.5 tons in each wing. And then the center fuel tank with about 20 tons of fuel. http://simviation.com//rinfo75767.htm
http://www.streamline-ops.com/en/info/fuel_weight_conversion_tables/

Moving on to the aircraft itself, there is another estimated 25-30 tons of dense, heavy metal included in the construction of these jets, from titanium to steel to solid aluminum making up elements such as the wing spar support infrastructure. http://www.boeing.com/history/products/767.page
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/plan_manuals.page

Now then for the CT, the airplane should have "bounced" off the WTC or exploded on the outside of the building.

The aircraft, see above references is 155 feel long, and at the time of impact weighed close to 100 tons..... with four tons of fuel in the wings and another 20 tons at center. It was traveling at cruising speed, 493 knots = 567.334 267 876 mile/hour (mph) official max cruising speed... which is the speed necessary to maneuver without stalling.... how is it that the CT thinks it should have crumpled up when hitting 3/8 inch steel and tempered glass?

And what was the catalyst to cause it to explode outside of the building. http://www.aircrash.org/burnelli/ht960724.htm
"Modern jet fuel has a much higher flame point and vapour pressure than does regular gasoline as a result. Fuel tanks are fitted with baffles and sometimes coolers to keep the fuel liquid so it doesn't explode easily. This is in part a result of what happened to TWA800, one of the very few accidents to be caused by a fuel tank explosion (and there the explosion was itself only possible due to a combination of rare circumstances and chance events, made worse by maintenance problems with the aircraft).
The image of aircraft (and cars, trains, ships, buildings, anything really) blowing up in a wall of flame at the least trouble is one created and perpetuated by Hollywood and has no reflection in reality whatsoever." "The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel—and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film." "Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/1809/is-it-possible-to-prevent-plane-accidents-due-to-fuel-explosion
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

Okay...so an airplane is thicker than what you report.
The WTC was designed in the 1950s and was not designed to withstand the crash of a plane built in the 1990s.
It was not the crash that took down the building, it was the burning fuel traveling down the elevators shafts that weakened the building core....

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Get over it... the WTC was due to the terrorist! Stop beating a dead horse

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Hey.... wake up and read your bible. Jews did not kill Jesus... the method of death was by crucifixion... Roman. Jews stoned people. The Romans would have had reason to want to silence Jesus, who had been called by some of his followers “King of the Jews,” and was known as a Jewish upstart miracle-worker. There was no motivation for Jews to kill him. Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and others–had many disagreements with each other, but that did not lead any of the groups to arrange the execution of the other, why should Jesus be special? Jesus' cousin, John the Baptizer, taught the same things a Jesus... no Jew had him killed... and there were others.... It boils down to the threat to the Roman Empire, not a disagreement or even if the Jews saw him as a heretic.


I do hope that after you were born, your mother discovered birth control.... And I have to think, in history, high intelligence runs in families and often skip a generation. With this in mind, your children must challenge the intelligence of Einstein!

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, I've heard all this bullsh!t so many times, I didn't really need to read past "I have some knowledge about this."

I can't even begin to outline my aviation experience, but it includes over 500 flight hours as a Navy aircrewman, several thousand hours as an unlicensed co-pilot and navigator, 3000 parachute jumps, and as an assistant A&P mechanic on five aircraft complete rebuild projects (which included converting a Cessna 182 to a 180 and a complete rebuild of a Beech Baron). So, yeah, I have some knowledge about this too. And, I have behind me a 16 year career as a professional firefighter.

I'm not going to attempt again to debunk any of the 9/11 fantasies, other than to say the WTC towers were struck by 160 ton jetliners fully loaded with fuel, flying at 400+ mph.

I have studied the mathematical analysis of the kinetic energy generated in those impacts.

I have studied the details of fuel loads (not the aircraft) contained in each floor of the towers--paper, cardboard, plastic, fabric, furniture, wood, and so on.

I have studied the metallurgical characteristics of the WTC structural steel including the temps at which it fails.

I have studied the architectural and engineering design of the buildings, including reading the architect's own explanations of the design characteristics. Withstanding aircraft impacts was very low on his list of design priorities. He felt the probability of such an event was quite remote. His big concern was wind.

And, I have researched the history of the terrorists who pulled this off.

So, you and your comrades in fantastical conspiracies go ahead and believe whatever you want, but pushing your 9/11 conspiratorial agenda is the epitome of futility.

payne1000

Scientific analysis reveals how shallow and false your claims are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxm8lB-V2uI

But you are only doing your job--that of an admitted Zionist troll.

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

The World, And The U.S. Has a Monopoly on Many of Them, They Voted For Obama, Clinton, Carter To Name a Few...

Be Careful When You Are Around Them, They Are To Stupid To Be Trusted...

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payne1000

"Jewish deicide is a long-held common belief in Christianity that laid the responsibility for the death of Jesus on the Jewish people as a whole." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide

I don't believe in the bible, but the Christian Zionists who support Israel and Zionism might want to review why they support Zionists whose actions are similar to the manipulations of Jews in the fables of the bible.

payne1000

John Schroeder is a NYC firefighter who was trapped inside the North Tower on 9/11 until Janitor Willie Rodriguez helped him and others escape through a door which had been locked. Schroeder describes explosions going off in the tower where there was no fire. Schroeder describes getting down to the lobby and finding the lobby blown up. He doesn't mention any fires in the lobby. He says "something else is going on here." How is this happening when the plane hit 80 floors up?"
Schroeder also asks why the tenants in the South Tower were told to go back to work when a building right next to them was burning. Schroeder finishes by saying he believes the towers were brought down by means other than fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

One person's opinion does not outweigh the collective evidence presented. One person can be very wrong, just look in the mirror.

payne1000

It's not one person. It's millions of people in the U.S. alone.
http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-more-americans-are-rethinking-911/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=nl