Really dude, it isn't difficult to see what happened if you stay fully informed and are not totally hammered by the extreme paranoia of conspiratorial delusions.

As the terrorist fled down the street, Tashfeen was firing at the armored vehicle tracking behind them. Another armored vehicle approached from their front and blocked them. When their SUV was stopped is when the police really opened up on them.

Not surprising that you really seem to have difficulty with English word meanings. Alleged refers to something or someone suspected of a thing, but there is no proof. There is nothing "alleged" about two live terrorists, who have just killed 14 and wounded 17 real people, and are now fleeing in a moving vehicle firing real bullets at pursing police.

Okay... let me see if I can help. We have on OPP six consistent conspiracy theory believers: payne1000, eagleeye and bdamage you may recognize from this thread. The others, well they are taking the day off or they are the other personas of the three listed.

What I recommend, is you go to their links read what is printed and then do some research. Look at everything from both sides... keep your mind in natural so you do not just jump to a conclusion. Watch all the videos, read each word and see if there are is any consistency in all the reports. Be sure to examine who is reporting. Do a search to read past reports, this way you can determine which way the reporter leans. Next find out about the newspaper itself, which way does it lean. Once you know this, you can pretty much guess what line they will take. A republican news will just tell you the facts with a middle to slight right view... that is conservative. They will be for the constitution and Christian values. The Left, or Liberal will skirt around religion unless they are dealing with mass murder, as in this case where they first announced that this was another abortion clinic shooting done by another Christian anti-abortion "nut." They will use every last space available to support gun control and Obama.

Got it? Now for name calling... that is just OPP. People get frustrated when arguments happen and some will just say what they are thinking and with little consideration that they are responding to other PEOPLE and not just words on a screen. Yes, I also get to this point that I just want to smack someone up the side of the head... when this happens, I try not to respond. I turn off my computer and do some house work. Name calling is immature and should not happen, but after almost 3 years on OPP... I have come to expect it.

Now... who is on what side... this is my personal belief...
Blade Runner is always consistent with facts. Regardless on which side it proves, to him right is right and party lines are immaterial.

JMHO, this is another fine individual who has a knack of knowing and sorting out the BS from facts.

Payne1000 and eagleeye, well they believe that regardless of information, they are right and somehow everything is a Jewish conspiracy.

bdamage, well he is reasonable and has the ability to see both sides, but once he is confident, he is tenacious and no amount of information will sway his view.

Oh... I almost forgot myself. Well... I am a Jew... so naturally I am the target of the conspiracy theorist in general. I consider myself a conservative. I leave it to you to make up your mind if I am a name caller or a researcher.


I hope this helps.

So you fell for it too, huh?

"4 flying beer cans"? You mean those 160 ton jetliners loaded with 15,000 pounds of jet fuel and flying at 400+ mph should have just bounced off those buildings?

Do you really believe that some government conspiracy cooked up the Sandy Hook massacre, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Charleston church shooting? And now the San Bernardino killings? Do you?

Here's a clue for you: If you really want to find credibility for any serious event, stay the hell away from ALL MSM cable news, leftist websites and blogs, far right websites and blogs, and be especially careful about what you watch on youtube. Anyone can upload whatever rings their bell.

Maybe spend some time researching Islam. Learn what makes the Jihadists tick.

This is our first exchange, so thank you for your comments and for clearly stating your views. I have not considered you in any form as I have only this exchange with you. And I do not label people from first meetings.

I am not a fan of MSM, FOX, or CNN. I find that they present very biased views. Yes, I will get their view and then start reading everything available before I come to any conclusion.

Now to address some of your comments.

1. The US government has pulled some very complicated cover ups. And they have done more than one horrible thing. For example, are you aware that Obama is taking, without permission, a portion of Native American reservation in AZ to house some of his imported Muslims from Syria?

2. I was not on any one of the four airplanes that caused so much pain for so many people on 911. However, I do not doubt that hijackers did take over the airplanes (simply because there are voice recordings of them) and fly three of them into their targets and one going down in PA. There are also photos of the planes hitting the Twins. And I worked at 5600 Columbia Pike in Falls Church. I saw the Pentagon plane. So, from first hand I know that one hit and exploded. I will spare you the details.

3. Evidence does not support the downing of the Twin Towers by bombs. If there were bombs, the terrorist (and I use the term for whomever you think may have planted the bombs) would have to have planted them in full view of the people working in the buildings.... surely someone would have raised the alarm if they saw C4 or a bomb device with a ticking clock. We as member of the world population watch too many movies not to be concerned with seeing something like that.

4. The Oklahoma City bombing and Timothy McVeigh... he did not act alone. Also charged were Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols. During the trails, it came to light that members of the Neo Nazi party also provided support, but none were officially charged. And you question, how could a Ryder truck loaded with homemade bombs do all that damage. I know that a pipe bomb, a homemade job that is less than 12 inches long can blow up a HumV.... So, a truck load... quite an impressive bomb I would think.

5. I will not at this time address the other concerns, as I do not have sufficient knowledge to discuss them. I know what I think I know, but the truth may be otherwise. So Sandy Hook, JFK, Charleston.... I will not address at this time.

With this being our first exchange, I will overlook you calling me a "fool" and implying that I need to wise up. I think that approach may be defeating your effort to open civil exchange with me, and it also may inhibit others from calm rational discussions.

I will make a deal with you, do not try to recruit me to your religion and I will continue to support Christians and their beliefs.

You have read my posts. You have seen with your own eyes that I have NEVER said or even implied that Christians are wrong in their belief. Go back through my posts.... there is not a single posts that I have spoken one bad word about Christians, Jesus, or your road to heaven.

When I pass, I will accept my judgment. If I am wrong in my faith, well I am sure that G*d will provide me with appropriate time and punishment to consider how I went wrong. But, until then I will obey the first commandment.... Exodus 20:1-17, I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Apparently you do have me all wrong. I wish you and your family well. And I will not hold your mean and spiteful words against you. I forgive you.

I little Clarification;
Mary and John were full blood of the tribe of Judah.
Jesus came from the tribe of Judah as prophesied.
The begats in the Bible are there for a reason.
All the lineages are there for a reason.
The types and shadows are there for a reason.
Poor old Pennylynn, with all her education, has not figured that out yet.
The Rabbis were highly educated also.
There is just something about the spirit getting involved.
We are all creatures of choice, but no choice in who bares us.
The luck of the draw?
Something much deeper to my way of thinking.
I do not have the answer to this. but I consider myself blessed to be born of Christians, in America, that were not air heads. They, did their own studying away from organized religious sects. They taught me to think. To research.

This is our first exchange, so thank you for your comments and for clearly stating your views. I have not considered you in any form as I have only this exchange with you. And I do not label people from first meetings.

I am not a fan of MSM, FOX, or CNN. I find that they present very biased views. Yes, I will get their view and then start reading everything available before I come to any conclusion.

Now to address some of your comments.

1. The US government has pulled some very complicated cover ups. And they have done more than one horrible thing. For example, are you aware that Obama is taking, without permission, a portion of Native American reservation in AZ to house some of his imported Muslims from Syria?

2. I was not on any one of the four airplanes that caused so much pain for so many people on 911. However, I do not doubt that hijackers did take over the airplanes (simply because there are voice recordings of them) and fly three of them into their targets and one going down in PA. There are also photos of the planes hitting the Twins. And I worked at 5600 Columbia Pike in Falls Church. I saw the Pentagon plane. So, from first hand I know that one hit and exploded. I will spare you the details.

3. Evidence does not support the downing of the Twin Towers by bombs. If there were bombs, the terrorist (and I use the term for whomever you think may have planted the bombs) would have to have planted them in full view of the people working in the buildings.... surely someone would have raised the alarm if they saw C4 or a bomb device with a ticking clock. We as member of the world population watch too many movies not to be concerned with seeing something like that.

4. The Oklahoma City bombing and Timothy McVeigh... he did not act alone. Also charged were Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols. During the trails, it came to light that members of the Neo Nazi party also provided support, but none were officially charged. And you question, how could a Ryder truck loaded with homemade bombs do all that damage. I know that a pipe bomb, a homemade job that is less than 12 inches long can blow up a HumV.... So, a truck load... quite an impressive bomb I would think.

5. I will not at this time address the other concerns, as I do not have sufficient knowledge to discuss them. I know what I think I know, but the truth may be otherwise. So Sandy Hook, JFK, Charleston.... I will not address at this time.

With this being our first exchange, I will overlook you calling me a "fool" and implying that I need to wise up. I think that approach may be defeating your effort to open civil exchange with me, and it also may inhibit others from calm rational discussions.

I apologize for using the term "fool", I certainly didn't intend to call you one, even obliquely.
I won't say I believe everything I "see with my own eyes", anyone who has been to a magic show should know better. However, I do trust the laws of Newtonian science and I believe live video news coverage is pretty reliable, and when viewed with skepticism and critical thinking, probably can give one a pretty good idea of what happened, or sometimes more importantly, what didn't happen.
Without going into detail, I will just say I think you are wrong. In fact, I'm quite sure of it.

Maybe you would consider me one of the "conspiracy theorists" although I don't post very often on this forum mainly because every discussion seems to degenerate into a shouting match. I don't like the name calling either, I respect everyone's right to an opinion and just because I think they are wrong doesn't give me the right to talk trash to them and vice versa.
I don't believe much of anything coming from the govt. or MSM, how many times does someone have to lie to you before you wise up? Thankfully, there is a lot of video nowadays so someone with a sharp eye can discover many things that once could have been easily hidden.
For example: The official narrative is still that Oswald, alone, shot JFK. The official narrative that Tim McVeigh alone blew up the Murrah bldg. in OK city with only a truck bomb.
A bunch of towel heads from the Middle East hijacked 4 flying beer cans and destroyed 3 concrete and steel skyscrapers and knocked a hole in the Pentagon.
Not to mention, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, the Charleston church shooting and more I can't remember off the top of my head.
Any fool can go on you tube and discover within a few hours that all that is crap, yet the media treats anyone like they're crazy if they question it.
I'm willing to believe the US govt. is capable of almost anything and the media is not embarrassed to lie about it right in the face of proof otherwise. At this point and I need some serious proof to give any credibility to anything.