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Nov 7, 2013 12:48:23   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Well, you've brought up another point, "fathers". So there is something else in the mix. Do you think that everyone on this forum is stupid???? You've got some issues, and are obviously reaching out to this forum for your support. However, without the other Half of your divorce being heard, which you cannot speak for her or kid(s), people are at a loss, and threads are all over the place in trying to respond. It is simply an argument between you, others comments, and scripture you bring forth. There is no resolve. Only argument.
"16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Tim. 2:16. Vain just means self obsorbed.
jay-are wrote:
I did not bring up the story of my divorce and my situation voluntarily and put it our there to evoke sympathy.

I was discussing the truth from the Bible, when you said, you couldn't discuss the issue anymore until you knew my personal story. That is the only reason I told it to you.

Then I returned to sticking to the issue and the Biblical teaching on the issue. I am happy to stick to that and leave out my personal story.

You and jetson asked me for it. That is the only reason you know any of my story.

Now you are going to accuse me of somehow using it for personal gains. Shame on you. I have not done anything of the sort, and I would be perfectly happy to not tell you about my wife's actions, and my unhappiness with my divorce and losing my children.

The fact is that the pain and suffering I experienced is not unique to me. Millions of falsely accused fathers in America have experienced the same suffering. I speak as much for them as I do for myself.
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Nov 7, 2013 12:57:14   #
jay-are
 
rhomin57 wrote:
Well, you've brought up another point, "fathers". So there is something else in the mix. Do you think that everyone on this forum is stupid???? You've got some issues, and are obviously reaching out to this forum for your support. However, without the other Half of your divorce being heard, which you cannot speak for her or kid(s), people are at a loss, and threads are all over the place in trying to respond. It is simply an argument between you, others comments, and scripture you bring forth. There is no resolve. Only argument.
"16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Tim. 2:16. Vain just means self obsorbed.
Well, you've brought up another point, "fathe... (show quote)


BS again.

I am not reaching out to this forum for support!!!

I am not!!!

Please do not support me!

How can I make it any plainer?

I am only putting out an opinion on a political forum, and being willing to discuss the opinion without reservation.

I keep defending my position.

Others keep proposing other positions.

Then we discuss the merits or failings of each position.

That is what is going on here.

There is no reaching out for support for my personal problems!!!!

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Nov 7, 2013 12:58:39   #
jay-are
 
Please stop making this personal.

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Nov 7, 2013 13:07:05   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
I wish you peace, JR. I pray that the Lord will give you strength and direction, as well as quietness within your soul in which to sort it out with him. "All scripture is worthy of meditation." Not just some.
I have all your comments within your posts. I really mean this, and not in an antagonizing way, or patronizing manner, but that you receive peace.
jay-are wrote:
Please stop making this personal.

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Nov 7, 2013 13:43:59   #
jay-are
 
rhomin57 wrote:
I wish you peace, JR. I pray that the Lord will give you strength and direction, as well as quietness within your soul in which to sort it out with him. "All scripture is worthy of meditation." Not just some.
I have all your comments within your posts. I really mean this, and not in an antagonizing way, or patronizing manner, but that you receive peace.


Thanks for not getting personal about it.

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Nov 7, 2013 16:27:46   #
Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks
 
I spoke of the two that I know of specifically..( But hey, you could reread that, cause it hasn't changed.) That which brought around the King James Verison And those points he changed so he could Divorce and that of Constantine within that of the Council of Nicaea. Or we can get way out there in some of the others, liken to that of the book of Mormon, or that of the Jahova's Witness, Gideon's ect., ect., ect., Who knows how many other off shoots there are. But of the two I mention, were those I spoke specificaly, of what things they changed. Though with the of the Council of Nicaea, it was said they would only take out the books recently added to their time 600 years later. Yet it can be seen through the word of those that were there with Jesus, and yet their book in reference to his word to them were removed at Council of Nicaea. Now if they removed entire books from our Lord's time. How much other did they edit. and that's just what I am saying, I don't know. But I do know, I would much rather have that first time original set of books. Cause I want no one coming between myself and Our Lord Father! And believe me,, I had the reference to what this topic is about marked as for reference for the future if the topic ever come up again. I have lost the verse I have no doubt that was added. I had it written down for where it was. I can't find it. So went back in to dig through to find it in the bible itself. I can only remember a slight outline of it. " So let him write her a bill of Divorce". Or something close to that effect. Something about something the man cannot handle. I'll find it again,, just going to take time to find it again. But it works against so many other books in the reference to, you just know. Is like seeing a black pebble in a pile of white pebbles.

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Nov 7, 2013 16:46:05   #
jay-are
 
Kiwegapawa wrote:
I spoke of the two that I know of specifically..( But hey, you could reread that, cause it hasn't changed.) That which brought around the King James Verison And those points he changed so he could Divorce and that of Constantine within that of the Council of Nicaea. Or we can get way out there in some of the others, liken to that of the book of Mormon, or that of the Jahova's Witness, Gideon's ect., ect., ect., Who knows how many other off shoots there are. But of the two I mention, were those I spoke specificaly, of what things they changed. Though with the of the Council of Nicaea, it was said they would only take out the books recently added to their time 600 years later. Yet it can be seen through the word of those that were there with Jesus, and yet their book in reference to his word to them were removed at Council of Nicaea. Now if they removed entire books from our Lord's time. How much other did they edit. and that's just what I am saying, I don't know. But I do know, I would much rather have that first time original set of books. Cause I want no one coming between myself and Our Lord Father! And believe me,, I had the reference to what this topic is about marked as for reference for the future if the topic ever come up again. I have lost the verse I have no doubt that was added. I had it written down for where it was. I can't find it. So went back in to dig through to find it in the bible itself. I can only remember a slight outline of it. " So let him write her a bill of Divorce". Or something close to that effect. Something about something the man cannot handle. I'll find it again,, just going to take time to find it again. But it works against so many other books in the reference to, you just know. Is like seeing a black pebble in a pile of white pebbles.
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You are coming into the conversation very late. I spoke to the exception clause earlier in this thread.

Go back and read everything I wrote from the beginning. I am not going to start the argument over again.

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Nov 11, 2013 00:33:32   #
Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks
 
I had read through this thread the first time, as I do all those sections I choose to post to. This why I spoke of the changes to the bible in those of which we do know it happened in different times throughout history

jay-are wrote:
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You are coming into the conversation very late. I spoke to the exception clause earlier in this thread.

Go back and read everything I wrote from the beginning. I am not going to start the argument over again.

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Nov 11, 2013 08:59:26   #
jay-are
 
[quote=Kiwegapawa] I had read through this thread the first time, as I do all those sections I choose to post to. This why I spoke of the changes to the bible in those of which we do know it happened in different times throughout history


So, you don't believe Jesus said what is written in Luke 16:18, or Mark 10:1-12, or Matthew 5-7.

Is there nothing true in anything in those passages?

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Nov 11, 2013 11:00:10   #
Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks
 
jay-are wrote
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Kiwegapawa wrote:
I had read through this thread the first time, as I do all those sections I choose to post to. This why I spoke of the changes to the bible in those of which we do know it happened in different times throughout history


So, you don't believe Jesus said what is written in Luke 16:18, or Mark 10:1-12, or Matthew 5-7.

Is there nothing true in anything in those passages?

You already knew what I said, I suggest you read it again. I do believe in Our Lord Father. I do not know what’s been changed, but we do know for certain that there were points changed. But I'm just repeating what I've already stated! To further the point, I've seen the Lord's Father Jesus Christ works in my life. I'll give you one of them right now in the here and now. According to medical Doctors, they cannot figure out why I am alive. According to them by all means I should be dead. This being said by many of them over the course of my entire life. I have a Zero blood sugar count. According to them because of this, and never ever taking Insulin, I am supposed to be dead. Yet my heart beats, blood courses through my veins, I think, I breath, therefore, I am alive. You know what I tell the doctors. You see who carries me? They say no,, those foot prints in the sand, they are not mine! LoL They are my Lord Fathers.. And this just one of many I have experienced in my Life Time. Need I say more! Well other than repeating another point once again, I have studied the Bible under many with their Doctrine most all of my Life since I was say 10 years old. Saying this where personal recognition kicks in. All we can say to address those points of what changes were made, why did those who made changes to the Bible have in mind as of doing so personally? I'd still like to read what was original, before those born in Sin did their thing with it!

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Nov 11, 2013 11:07:52   #
jay-are
 
Kiwegapawa wrote:
jay-are wrote

You already knew what I said, I suggest you read it again. I do believe in Our Lord Father. I do not know what’s been changed, but we do know for certain that there were points changed. But I'm just repeating what I've already stated! To further the point, I've seen the Lord's Father Jesus Christ works in my life. I'll give you one of them right now in the here and now. According to medical Doctors, they cannot figure out why I am alive. According to them by all means I should be dead. This being said by many of them over the course of my entire life. I have a Zero blood sugar count. According to them because of this, and never ever taking Insulin, I am supposed to be dead. Yet my heart beats, blood courses through my veins, I think, I breath, therefore, I am alive. You know what I tell the doctors. You see who carries me? They say no,, those foot prints in the sand, they are not mine! LoL They are my Lord Fathers.. And this just one of many I have experienced in my Life Time. Need I say more!
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No argument from me about why you are alive. God is the reason all of us are alive.

That has nothing to do with whether what is written in the Bible about divorce and remarriage is the true word of God or not. This discussion is about whether the Bible allows Christians to divorce and remarry.

If you want to talk about that, I am here to discuss it, but if your point is just that God is in control of the universe, I am not going to discuss that because I agree 100%. That goes without saying as far as I know.

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