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Nov 7, 2013 20:31:10   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
But verbal gaffs were endearing with Bush II. Again, a double standard. Make up your mind.


How were they 'endearing'? The media was all over him like ticks on a hound dog.

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Nov 7, 2013 20:38:10   #
Hungry Freaks
 
DennisDee wrote:
Actually once an amendment is passed it is no longer prohibited by the US Constitution. It becomes part of the Constitution. That's the method the founders provided for change.


Well, exactly. The 16th Amendment negated the Constitution, in powers given to Congress, saying :"no capitation or other direct tax, shall be laid unless in proportion to the census or enumeration hereinbefore directed to be taken." The 16th Amendment changed that.

What I was trying to say is that We The People could press for a repeal of the 16th Amendment, just as the 18th Amendment was repealed by the 21st Amendment, by popular demand. Just as the GOP, for reasons not clear, tried to push for a repeal of the 17th Amendment allowing direct elections for Senators.

Amending the Constitution is difficult, as it should be, but it is far from impossible. The people have to vote on it. I believe its a majority vote by people in two-thirds or three quarters of the states needed to ratify.

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Nov 7, 2013 20:40:47   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
One needs to be particularly self delusional to actually believe they know not only the phsycological make up of someone they never met, but also the generational dynamics of the family. Enjoy your alternate reality.

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Nov 7, 2013 20:49:24   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
You are so out of reality it is stunning.
Obama did withold benefits of the families of those KIA - and the only rational reason would be to pressure the GOP to cave. If you can possibly defent that, do so -if not, concede.

Meanwhile, are you suggesting that Obama doesn't make verbal screw ups? Are you unaware of his inability to distinguish between corps - and corpse - of his ability to see "fallen heroes"?

What you miss is the press jumped on every gaffe Bush made and ignore those of Obama. And, as to gaffes, I won't even mention Biden's name - but Shotgun Joes' goofiness goes well beyond verbal gaffes.
You are so out of reality it is stunning. br Obama... (show quote)



Can you make a simple post without insulting someone's mental state or moral acuity?

You have strong feelings about the Obama administration. I have strong feelings about the Bush II administration. I'm not real keen on Obama, but he's a sight better than his predecessor, in my opinion. No illegal wars, yet. Neither's faux pas had anything to do with it.

We have the right to state our opinions. And you have the right to be wrong. Nothing to do with being out-of-touch with reality or morally deficient , although I don't quite understand the bile in light of your defense of Bush. Obama's nothing but another member of the Bush Crime Family. A few differences, but not a lot. Coke and Pepsi.

Obama won the last two election, including one after he signed the ACA. that gives him a mandate to carry out the program just as Bush II's re-election gave him the mandate to carry on the NCLBA and the Patriot Act.

No double standard, please.

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Nov 7, 2013 21:43:07   #
comcash1 Loc: the UK
 
Because Sir Obama is quietly being paid $250Million
a year by the David Rockefella Foundation and the
RotthChild cartel...he is owned and operated by the
Illluminatii, The Rockelfella Foundatiion,The Biilderburg
Grp, JP Mortgan family and the RothChild cartel.


Obama is a well paid fgurehead and pawn just
like the Queen of England the other presidents or
queens of each country. The only nation on earth
that the RothChild cartel does not have direct
financial control of the money supply is China.


IF Obama does not do as his 'handlers' tell him
every day...he will be quietly removed from the
Oval Office [ and ameircan citizens can only pray
that thiis will happen very soon].







Dave wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/new-book--obama-told-aides-that-drones-make-him--really-good-at-killing-people--144734667.html

I thought Obama reached a real low when he used the families of those KIA under his command for political fodder, but this reaches a new low.

To think he would actually kill people for political gain. We all understand that these drone strikes can and do kill innocents who are too close to the target, but considered this collateral to a security need. To now find out that what the real goal was, political points, in this is even lower yet.
http://news.yahoo.com/new-book--obama-told-aides-t... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2013 00:25:48   #
Hungry Freaks
 
comcash1 wrote:
Because Sir Obama is quietly being paid $250Million
a year by the David Rockefella Foundation and the
RotthChild cartel...he is owned and operated by the
Illluminatii, The Rockelfella Foundatiion,The Biilderburg
Grp, JP Mortgan family and the RothChild cartel.


Obama is a well paid fgurehead and pawn just
like the Queen of England the other presidents or
queens of each country. The only nation on earth
that the RothChild cartel does not have direct
financial control of the money supply is China.


IF Obama does not do as his 'handlers' tell him
every day...he will be quietly removed from the
Oval Office [ and ameircan citizens can only pray
that thiis will happen very soon].
Because Sir Obama is quietly being paid $250Millio... (show quote)


This is a new one. I would imagine the President of the United States taking a second paycheck would be illegal. Or, at very least, highly unusual. And the Rothschild cartel is so long out of the game-it's like saying Cecil Rhodes still holds sway.

And many will say, with some justification, that every president since Gerry Ford has been a puppet, a spokesman for the vested interests of our national oligarchy. Ronald Wilson Reagan didn't make the long dollars as an actor. He made his money as a spokesman for GE. Just saying.

Used to be there was the Trilateral Commission conspiracy. The Trilateral Commission is made up of establishment types seeking to improve world enterprise, some say a world government. We now have a de facto world government, or at least "multi-national corporations" that are above any one nation's law.

Look into Fast Track trade treaty negotiations going on if you want something to curl your toenails. Read the fine print-national sovereignty is a thing of the past. These trade agreements are a bi-partisan effort-the only thing Democrat and Republicans seem to go after with gusto.

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Nov 8, 2013 09:38:17   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
Can you make a simple post without insulting someone's mental state or moral acuity?

You have strong feelings about the Obama administration. I have strong feelings about the Bush II administration. I'm not real keen on Obama, but he's a sight better than his predecessor, in my opinion. No illegal wars, yet. Neither's faux pas had anything to do with it.

We have the right to state our opinions. And you have the right to be wrong. Nothing to do with being out-of-touch with reality or morally deficient , although I don't quite understand the bile in light of your defense of Bush. Obama's nothing but another member of the Bush Crime Family. A few differences, but not a lot. Coke and Pepsi.

Obama won the last two election, including one after he signed the ACA. that gives him a mandate to carry out the program just as Bush II's re-election gave him the mandate to carry on the NCLBA and the Patriot Act.

No double standard, please.
Can you make a simple post without insulting someo... (show quote)


I stated a fact - Obama witheld benefits from the families of those KIA during the shutdown - and you went all over the place, pretending that didn't happen.

As to my defending Bush, I have been more than a littel bit critical of him.

As to Obama being a continuation of Bush - that is so delusional as to be not worhty of response.

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Nov 8, 2013 12:24:53   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
I stated a fact - Obama witheld benefits from the families of those KIA during the shutdown - and you went all over the place, pretending that didn't happen.

As to my defending Bush, I have been more than a littel bit critical of him.

As to Obama being a continuation of Bush - that is so delusional as to be not worhty of response.


You stated that Obama intentionally, as a political tool, stranded these families. I merely asked how do you discern the motives of someone you don't know and have never talked to. You say the evidence is overwhelming, but I haven't seen it.

Your second and third paragraphs seem to be slightly contradictory. I've said Bush II and Obama have more in common than they areas where they diverge. Same goes for all the presidents back to Eisenhower.

Your insults as to my mental state are insulting and not becoming honest political dialogue, even when that dialogue gets heated. I'm not saying that I am without sin, but you seem to make a regular habit of it. On what do you base these claims? Do you have any background in psychology or have you even taken abnormal pscyh 101?

I could say those who claim Obama is a Muslim homosexual Marxist are delusion. But I prefer to say they (and you) are just wrong and without credible evidence to support their claims.

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Nov 8, 2013 13:17:23   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
You stated that Obama intentionally, as a political tool, stranded these families. I merely asked how do you discern the motives of someone you don't know and have never talked to. You say the evidence is overwhelming, but I haven't seen it.

Your second and third paragraphs seem to be slightly contradictory. I've said Bush II and Obama have more in common than they areas where they diverge. Same goes for all the presidents back to Eisenhower.

Your insults as to my mental state are insulting and not becoming honest political dialogue, even when that dialogue gets heated. I'm not saying that I am without sin, but you seem to make a regular habit of it. On what do you base these claims? Do you have any background in psychology or have you even taken abnormal pscyh 101?

I could say those who claim Obama is a Muslim homosexual Marxist are delusion. But I prefer to say they (and you) are just wrong and without credible evidence to support their claims.
You stated that Obama intentionally, as a politica... (show quote)


Are you familar with the term "process of elimination"?
Unless you want to assert he is merely evil, doing something like this because he likes hurting people, what other motive is possible?

As to your complete disdain of every president since Ike, such an assertion if foolish on the face and demonstrably fringe.

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Nov 8, 2013 14:25:08   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
Are you familar with the term "process of elimination"?
Unless you want to assert he is merely evil, doing something like this because he likes hurting people, what other motive is possible?

As to your complete disdain of every president since Ike, such an assertion if foolish on the face and demonstrably fringe.


Oh, so the process of elimination! Do away with all other reasons and selecting the obvious. As stated by Sherlock Homes in "The Silver Blaze." Except Sherlock Homes is a fiction character. And, I can assume, this 'fact" is also a fiction.

Process of elimination indeed. . Your logic is showing.

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Nov 8, 2013 14:34:30   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
Oh, so the process of elimination! Do away with all other reasons and selecting the obvious. As stated by Sherlock Homes in "The Silver Blaze." Except Sherlock Homes is a fiction character. And, I can assume, this 'fact" is also a fiction.

Process of elimination indeed. . Your logic is showing.


I am, frankly, complimented that a person who thinks every president from Ike on is the same doesn't understand what I write.

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Nov 8, 2013 17:09:24   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
I am, frankly, complimented that a person who thinks every president from Ike on is the same doesn't understand what I write.


Who said "the same" I said "have more in common than where they diverge" a completely different statement.

Someone who can, by process of elimination, discern a person's motives, determine their metal state and expose their moral inferiority should be able to interpret simple sentences expressing not-so-new ideas. Then again, maybe not.

I think the term for what you're doing is dissembling, or to dissemble.

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Nov 8, 2013 17:12:53   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
Who said "the same" I said "have more in common than where they diverge" a completely different statement.

Someone who can, by process of elimination, discern a person's motives, determine their metal state and expose their moral inferiority should be able to interpret simple sentences expressing not-so-new ideas. Then again, maybe not.

I think the term for what you're doing is dissembling, or to dissemble.


I'll provide you one more opportunity - give me all the possibilities you can think of on why Obama did what he did with those families - or just go on with your all presidents are virtually the same (and with whatever meaningless conclusion that cloudy thought might lead you to) on your own.

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Nov 8, 2013 17:31:51   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Dave wrote:
I'll provide you one more opportunity - give me all the possibilities you can think of on why Obama did what he did with those families - or just go on with your all presidents are virtually the same (and with whatever meaningless conclusion that cloudy thought might lead you to) on your own.


I have no idea. But I believe in the power of incompetence than in the power of conspiracy. During 19 years as a reporter for a daily newspaper, my beliefs have rarely let me down..
I have relatives who believe the attacks of 9-11-2001 were fake-that Bush and Company demolished the World Trade Center, flew a Tomahawk missile into the Pentagon and somehow faked the crash in western PA. I gotta admit the trade centers coming down did look like a planned implosion and that the remains seen in the Pentagon don't look like a full-sized jet liner. My cousin, an officer in a merchant ship, also noted that there were far too many barges in the NYC area. she claims that it helped haul away the debris before someone could put the whole thing together. And she's a hard-core anti-Obamaist.

But I don't believe the George W. Bush or even Dick Cheney would do this-kill thousands in cold blood.. It is a matter of public record that Cheney and Rumsfeld kept their families off of commercial airlines for two months prior to the attack, pointing the the possibility that the attacks were expected and perhaps not enough done to protect US lives. A far cry from planning and executing the attacks

If you want to believe the worst of someone, go ahead. When talking about government officials, I believe in incompetence over criminality and I've rarely been disappointed.

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Nov 8, 2013 17:48:32   #
faithistheword
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
How were they 'endearing'? The media was all over him like ticks on a hound dog.




W's errors were grammatical --This Bozo's errors are factual errors. Intentional in some cases. He's a phony. He's a traitor. He's a liar. He's a Muslim. He's a socialist. He's a moron.

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