Doc110 Loc: York PA

Yankee Clipper

glen10

For Bad Bob

A typical right wing conservative and Tea Bagger conspirator. Debating with a conservative is like cleaning up your dog's vomit: It is an inevitable consequence of your association, he isn't much help, and it makes very clear the fact that he will swallow anything.
I will never understand the far right's mindset, so I don't even waste one second of my time trying to do so. All you need to know is that they're batshit crazy, off-the-charts lunatics who believe everything that comes out of their czars' mouths, and will not ever question anything. You cannot reason with these kind of people, nor does any logic about anything apply to them. They're robots without brains and do as they're told. Pretty scary, isn't it?
(The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - John Kenneth Galbraith )
Right Wing Republicans are like alligators, all mouth and no ears.

RWNJ

All you have are insults. Did you have anything intelligent to say? Typical liberal. When you don't have facts to back up your lame azz arguments, call your opponent names. So predictable. You have yet to offer any intelligent discourse to this forum. You are beneath contempt.

glen10

Yankee
I saw pictures of the railroad cars in question and they are the same thing we see every day, 3 layer auto transport rail cars carry new cars. Someone investigating this myth wrote the following.
To conclude, I cannot confirm that there’s a George Bullcalf in Montana or anywhere in the United States. Most egregious is the fact that the Col. Jim Ammerman referenced by Anna Janek had died 17 months before she wrote and published her article in which she quotes him. There is no Gunderson Steel Fabrication. Furthermore, the company name “Gunderson” hasn’t been used for at least 18 years, not since 1994.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But Janek did not produce photographic evidence of the shackles and guillotines inside the alleged prisoner boxcars. That evidence would certainly be useful.
For us to believe — and spread — Janek’s sensational claims would play right into our political opponents’ cartoon depiction of conservatives as looney-tune nutcases. Don’t fall for it!
One blogger wrote, As a railroader, I wonder how stuff like this even gets started. There are so many problems with claiming auto-racks are prisoner cars, it is absolutely crazy. FYI a very good year would be 50,000 rail cars built. So they are claiming a FEMA order of over twice the annual production for all car types built in Canada, US, & Mexico including flats, wells, tanks, hoppers, gons, etc. This would create massive shortages of wheels, sideframes, couplers and other railcar parts. Not to mention there just isn’t enough assembly capacity for that many cars. Since the per diem bust in the early 80s a lot of car builder capacity has been lost. And that is just one problem with their story.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Glen10, stick around and have a little fun with Loonies. :thumbup:

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Not saying you do away with SS over night. Pick an age, say at 40, everyone above the age stays on regular SS but those below the age have options, stay on SS or market funds to choose from, say 5 different plans. If they choose a plan they can switch plans every five years until five years before whatever the retirement age is set at. Retirement age is another thing they need to look at as 65 is too low.

glen10

bmac
It still guts the SS program and private accounts means you are investing in something other than treasure bills the most secure investment in the world. Lets say 50% of under 40 invest in private accounts. These will probably be the more educated and high earners. The bottom 50% contribute less and eventually the system goes broke. If you want more of a retirement you have the IRA'S and Roth's to contribute to . I would be interested in something like the Canada system which everyone benefits. You might check it out.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

The system as it is now will either go broke or SS taxes will need to be raised, either way it hurts the little guy. The Canadian system just like ours has many whole that need to be plugged. There is no perfect system.

RWNJ

I'm all in favor of people supporting themselves and providing for their own retirement. We should also go back to families supporting their elderly members. After all, didn't their parents support them while they growing up? It is not the governments job to support people. It's the reason we are broke. We now pay more for entitlements than we do on defense. There is something seriously wrong with that.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Three generations ago you took care of your future and your family, today is the government will look out for me. While I am on SS we have never spent a dime, will likely get passed to kids but I see a lot of people live check to check.

glen10

Yankee clipper I am not confused at all. I fact check things that sound out of place. I never really believed the Black helicopter conspiracy but I needed to be sure as to what was gong on . I used that Black Helicopter analogy to bring attention to the Prison railroad car conspiracy. There are no death camps and there are no manufacture of prison railroad cars. I used my cousins comments because the company he worked for had been mentioned in the prison railroad conspiracy. There are hundreds or even 1000's of conspiracy's out there and all can be fact checked and disproven. It just takes a little work in research and not look for other conspirator's that agree with you. after awhile you start seeing things that are not there. You mentioned seeing Prison railroad cars someone described to you when they were describing 3 level new car transport railroad cars etc.

Yankee Clipper

Yankee Clipper

glen10

I anticipated you wouldn't accept facts. The facility that has been the center of this conspiracy in the railroad car factory in Oregon. The largest in the nation. many of my comments were from employees at that factory. Since you won't accept facts lets try logic.
Why are there no pictures? 102,000 box cars. 145′ each. That is 2800 miles worth of something to hide. Where are they hiding all these cars? We are talking about a line of cars that is lined up end-to-end would stretch farther than Los Angeles to Savannah and not a single photograph.
If the DHS was to hide these cars at 100 locations, they would have to find 280 miles of track for each of the 100 places. Certainly someone would have come across at least one of these cars and taken a photograph of the inside of it. Not a single photograph. (And I don’t mean the stock bullshit photos. I mean a clear photo of the inside of one – or more – of these cars).
Well, they are behind fences. Ok. We are talking about enough fence to cross America twice. At least 6,000+ miles of fence. The fence companies would have had a field day.
If the designers of this car gave each person three feet of space, each car would hold 300 people (which is a conservative estimate since only the outside of the cars would be used to chain people to). That would mean someone would have to weld 300 chains to hold the inhabitants if they were shackled on a single appendage. That is 30,000,000 welds. Where are all the people who have done the welding? I guess DHS kept them in concentration camps and then killed them when they were done welding the shackles. One post said they used children to do the welding. I guess they were pretty good by the time they were done.
That is also 30,000,000 hand or foot cuffs. I guess GSA just bid that out to a firm is Bangor, Maine. Sure, they took the contract and didn’t think twice about. OR – it went out to a lot of small businesses under a ‘secret contract.’ These businesses produced their hundreds of thousands of shackles and never thought twice about it. The people who work at these businesses did the work – year in, year out and never thought twice about it. Odd, since they were shipping them to FEMA, or a ‘shadow company’ under a ‘secret contract.’ That is a lot of welding and a lot of manufacturing for no one to ever think that there is something odd about making millions of welds and millions of restraints.
I Washington, a place that can’t keep a secret for ten minutes, this project with all its ‘secret contracts’ really stayed, well – secret!
Did Gunderson manufacture these cars? They must have used thousands of workers who were sworn to silence under pain of death. The thing is, last year Greenbrier (who owns Gunderson) delivered 15,000 rail vehicles of all types. At that rate they would have had to use all their output for 6.8 years to complete this phantom fleet of 102,000 rail cars. They would have had to own a ‘secret facility’ to complete the manufacture of these rail cars. Since their manufacturing took a dive after 2009 (the recession) I would bet they would have liked the business. But I guess the Greenbrier 2012 Annual Report investor report is nothing but a government cover up (phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=98215&p=irol-irhome).
(Greenbrier Manufacturing Segment Report –
Manufacturing revenue was $1.254 billion, $721.1 million and $295.6 million for the years ended August 31,2012, 2011 and 2010. Railcar deliveries, which are the primary source of manufacturing revenue, were 15,000 units in 2012 compared to 9,400 units in 2011 and 2,500 units in 2010. Manufacturing revenue increased $532.9 million, or 73.9%, in 2012 compared to 2011 primarily due to higher railcar deliveries as a result of increased demand and a higher per unit average selling price principally due to a change in product mix. Manufacturing revenue increased $425.5 million, or 144.0%, in 2011 compared to 2010 primarily due to higher railcar deliveries partially offset by a decline in marine barge activity and a change in railcar product mix with lower per unit sales prices.)
Let me make an estimate for the price of these cars. At $50,000 per car it would have cost FEMA 5.1 billion dollars. I guess Bush and Obama just handed that money over.
Also, if you transport 30,000,000 (oh, did I mention that 102,000 cars times 300 people per car equals 30 million – or around 10% of the population) in shackles, you have to transport them naked. Why? Because you would have to have an army just for unchaining people who needed to defecate. So, they would have to be unclothed because they would need to go where they sit. Then, once they got to their destination, you would have to use precious water to hose down the cars. Also, you would not be able to transport in the winter areas during winter months. You would also have to keep track of their clothes (unless they were just going to stay naked or you were going to kill them right after they got off the train).
These Americans DHS is going to transport. They aren’t going to be like the Holocaust victims. You put these people on a train filled with shackles and they KNOW what is going to happen. They aren’t going to stand idly by and walk to their deaths. That means there is going to be a lot of killing before and after the transportation. Remember Flight 93. So, you are going to need a lot of Americans who are willing to kill women and children. Lots of them. What I hear from my right wing friends is the people who will fall in line will be people dependent on the government. That is a code for ‘people of color.’ They are just animals anyway, so why wouldn’t they be willing to kill women and children to hold on to their food stamps and welfare?
When they transported arrive, I don’t know what you would do with the people. They would be covered in shit. Disease would be rampant. The guards would have to be wearing coveralls and using breathers. The stench would be beyond belief. Also, would they feed these people? Would they provide water? After a few days the guards would be carrying people out of the cars.
It would make more sense to simply use the cars as rolling jail cells and leave the transported loose and not chained down. The shackles don’t make a bit of logistic sense.
But the people who dreamed this up thought the shackles would scare people more. Either way, the shackles make no sense at all. I mean if you are selling fear, chains make more noise.
Will DHS feed any of these people? You would need tons of food to move 30,000,000 people. How would you feed them? They would be chained down. I guess you could leave a pile of food at one and of each of the 3 floors and it would get passed around. But, since there’s no way to use the bathroom, it would be easier to go without the food.
The next question is why do you want to move 30,000,000 at one time? That is close to the population of California (38 million in 2012). What are going to do, move them to Mexico and leave them there (that’ll teach them for sending us millions of illegals)? Or – will the DHS move 30,000,000 people somewhere and kill them? Maybe that is why they need all those coffins (which aren’t really coffins – even if you thought they are). You don’t bury 30,000,000 people. You burn them.
Where are all the cars? 3,000 miles worth of cars… Where are they? There is not a single photograph of one of the inside of these cars. There is not a person who worked on them who has stepped forward. Every person in America has a digital camera on their person. Where are the photographs? And while I am at it, where are the photos of the guillotines that are on each of the cars? I mean they are making them in Asia and sending them (under ‘secret contract’) to the states for use on this 3,000 mile fleet of phantom rail cars.
Funny how there is so much of this (hundreds of thousands and miles and miles of proof out there) and all of it is secret and not a single person has produced a single shred of evidence that this fleet exists. Funny how I know people who have a answer for all of this. The answer doesn’t make sense, but it is an answer from a patriot and that should be enough. It isn’t. The thing isn’t that this story is a lie. It is. The thing is why do ‘God fearing Christians’ have so much invested in it being true?
You call yourselves patriots? You look like liars to me. This lie has been floating around since 2004. It is time for it to stop. A lie, is a lie, is a lie.
And this ladies and gentlemen, is a lie.