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Nov 4, 2013 12:48:56   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Skptk wrote:
Good, now you're getting more focused.
Do you have an explanation for the real eyewitnesses being required to go into "witness protection" type hiding, and to sign new non-disclosure statements?


It's all the Tea Party's fault. Or maybe Bush, he is still deciding on the fantasy du jour.

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Nov 4, 2013 12:51:06   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
that's not a proper reply, Bo.

Somebody dropped the ball in Benghazi, no doubt about it. Who? NOt sure, but it was probably some low-level commander, or a private contractor, on the ground.

If we're going to go over with a fine tooth comb everything about Benghazi, how about a similar look into 9-11-2001. How did Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld know enough to keep their families off commercial airliners two months before the attack? Why did the administration downplay reports that OBL was planning to use commercial airliners to attack some target in the US? If the warnings were enough for two high-level administration officials to keep their families off commercial airliners, why wasn't it enough for the rest of us?

I don't agree with the "Small Change" crowd that believes 9-11 was an inside job-that the World Trade Centers were destroyed in an internal demolition, although it's hard to believe that av-gas on the planes were enough to bring down those two building as if it were a planned implosion completed by a commercial demolition company. And that the third building collapsed two hours later for not apparent reason.

But I do believe in proportionality-that reactions to disasters or screw ups should be based on the number of lives lost. In that account, Benghazi was small change. Not to dismiss the lost of life, but how is 261 or more than 5,000 compared to four or five?
that's not a proper reply, Bo. br br Somebody dro... (show quote)


I am sure that if I chose to I could go back and find things that were done by past Democrat Presidents that was questionable. To me that is not the point.

The Point is that there needs to be accountability in government. What has happened in the past is past and nothing can be done about it. I am not sure that anything will come of Benghazi. But, those family's of the people who died do deserve answers. Those answer's have been blocked. And it is not just Benghazi. Accountability needs to start now. If it don't then the same things will happen again and again.

I don't see any "phony" scandals. What was done by the IRS got Nixon impeached. Is it fair to not find out for sure that Obama should not be impeached? Personally, every bit of information in everyone of them should be turned over to investigators. Then let it go where ever it may.
The Democrats should want this more than the Republicans do. It's their credibility that is on the line.

My guess is that Obama knew about all these things that are going on or that information would already be out there.

Just so you know I think there are crooks on both sides. To hold Nixon to one standard and Obama to another is not justice. Those people who died in Benghazi deserve justice.

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Nov 4, 2013 13:00:11   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
I've always wondered where the GOP was when Ronald REagan purposely left guards at the marine barracks in Beirut with unloaded rifles, a directive directly from the Oval Office, allowing a suicide bomber to drive into the barracks killing 261 marines.

Not a peep, even when, three days later, Reagan invaded Grenada on the pretext that the Cubans were building an airstrip and that radicals had taken over the government of the Island. Even Maggie Thatcher protested the invasion-Britian had financed half of the airports construction costs-an airport designed to open the country to more tourist trade.

I talked to USMC brass in the 1990 who said they had no faith in Reagan after that. And now there's all this talk about a handful-4, 5, who died in what may or may not have been a big State Department screwup. Not to diminish the value of the lives lost at Bengazi, but where was the outrage about the 261 marine lives lost in Beirut?

Issa talks like is was directed directly from the White House-like the president overseas the security of every US mission in every country overseas. Issa said months ago 'we're going to find" evidence that proves his far-fetched notion. So far he hasn't, but not for a lack of trying. Time to put this one to rest, Daryl.

You can't bemoan one tragedy with bemoaning the other. And one's response should be in proportion to the loss and the involvement of higher-ups. So far Bengazi has proven nothing except perhaps maybe even most likely, a low-level screw up.
I've always wondered where the GOP was when Ronald... (show quote)


There was NO directive from the WH that required the Marine Guards with unloaded weapons. that order came from the Marine commanders, read the commission report.

The difference of this and Benghazi is that Reagan didn't come out right afterwards and blame it on a YouTube movie! And, Reagan wasn't covering up a gun running operation to Al Queda!

And the excuse you use that the President doesn't know everything going on at posts overseas? I guess you are unaware of the security briefing the president receives each morning? He knows far more than you state here. They just cover for him, and I don't state that as a fault of this administration, it happens with all administrations.

The thing that really galls most of us is the BLATANT LIE the Obama Adminstration put out about the cause being due to a YouTube movie clip, that only had something like 70 viewer hits at the time! It's the BLATANT LIES that come out of the mouth of this man that is coming back to bite him right square in the butt, deservingly so.

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Nov 4, 2013 13:32:27   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Dang. I'm new here. I see this is a lively forum.

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Nov 4, 2013 13:35:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BoJester wrote:
Republicans and faux are obsessed with Benghazi. Too bad that they are being made to look like the fools they are. CBS got punked by the "eye witness" who wasn't even there, and fabricated a story to sell his book. And now the lunacy of of issa and his committee of dolts are exposed as... DOLTS.


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/11/03/gops-benghazi-hoax-exposed.html

Good post Bo, I think a great number of our right wing buddies on this forum should spend a few seconds and consider the points in the short book not using the mind blocking ideas we all have one way or the other...It is clearly not the isolated and unusual event some wish it was.. it is tragedy and maybe some one is to get reamed for it. But is far from the disaster many wish it was...

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Nov 4, 2013 13:39:50   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
permafrost wrote:
Good post Bo, I think a great number of our right wing buddies on this forum should spend a few seconds and consider the points in the short book not using the mind blocking ideas we all have one way or the other...It is clearly not the isolated and unusual event some wish it was.. it is tragedy and maybe some one is to get reamed for it. But is far from the disaster many wish it was...


Why am I surprised that icecube would agree with BoPoopsie? Maybe because they're patients in the same asylum?

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Nov 4, 2013 13:40:05   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
permafrost wrote:
Good post Bo, I think a great number of our right wing buddies on this forum should spend a few seconds and consider the points in the short book not using the mind blocking ideas we all have one way or the other...It is clearly not the isolated and unusual event some wish it was.. it is tragedy and maybe some one is to get reamed for it. But is far from the disaster many wish it was...


Anytime that people are sent abroad by the government and then not helped when help is needed, it is a disaster. That is a fundamental Leadership problem that does need addressed. I am sure that if one of those that were killed there, were your child you would want answers and someone to be held accountable.

And to go a bit further, it is a disgrace. And every American should feel that way.

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Nov 4, 2013 13:43:42   #
BoJester
 
Finish the story, reagan promptly ran and hid, and recalled the marines after a real disaster, not made up lies from idiots who were not there.
But then old fools are too stupid to actually tell the truth and know what facts are







OldSchool wrote:
There was NO directive from the WH that required the Marine Guards with unloaded weapons. that order came from the Marine commanders, read the commission report.

The difference of this and Benghazi is that Reagan didn't come out right afterwards and blame it on a YouTube movie! And, Reagan wasn't covering up a gun running operation to Al Queda!

And the excuse you use that the President doesn't know everything going on at posts overseas? I guess you are unaware of the security briefing the president receives each morning? He knows far more than you state here. They just cover for him, and I don't state that as a fault of this administration, it happens with all administrations.

The thing that really galls most of us is the BLATANT LIE the Obama Adminstration put out about the cause being due to a YouTube movie clip, that only had something like 70 viewer hits at the time! It's the BLATANT LIES that come out of the mouth of this man that is coming back to bite him right square in the butt, deservingly so.
There was NO directive from the WH that required t... (show quote)

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Nov 4, 2013 13:48:00   #
BoJester
 
Why isn't it a surprise when stupid oldfools agree with other stupid oldfools? Must be in the same padded cell, because they are dangerous to others, as well as themselves





OldSchool wrote:
Why am I surprised that icecube would agree with BoPoopsie? Maybe because they're patients in the same asylum?

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Nov 4, 2013 13:52:16   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
BoJester wrote:
Finish the story, reagan promptly ran and hid, and recalled the marines after a real disaster, not made up lies from idiots who were not there.
But then old fools are too stupid to actually tell the truth and know what facts are


You should know Bo. You definitely fall into that category. :lol:

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Nov 4, 2013 13:58:58   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/editorial-no-more-cover-for-benghazi/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
BoJester wrote:
Why isn't it a surprise when stupid oldfools agree with other stupid oldfools? Must be in the same padded cell, because they are dangerous to others, as well as themselves


here ya go Bo. Read that one while I get another.

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Nov 4, 2013 14:04:13   #
BoJester
 
Citing an editorial as fact? And yet you complain about the liberal editiorials?





claytonln wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/editorial-no-more-cover-for-benghazi/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

here ya go Bo. Read that one while I get another.

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Nov 4, 2013 14:05:14   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/benghazi-attack-cia_n_3695319.html
BoJester wrote:
Why isn't it a surprise when stupid oldfools agree with other stupid oldfools? Must be in the same padded cell, because they are dangerous to others, as well as themselves


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/benghazi-cover-up-poll/2013/10/22/id/532538

http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-benghazi-was-coverup-of-arms-transfer-to-alqaeda/

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/08/so-what-is-the-benghazi-cover-up-all-about.php

there you go. You can read them and see what they say. I am sure some of them tell the same story. Some of them are biased, some may not be. At least they will give a choice for you to decide what to believe.

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Nov 4, 2013 14:09:52   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
BoJester wrote:
Citing an editorial as fact? And yet you complain about the liberal editiorials?


You do it right? I don't care that it is liberal or conservative. The Truth is neither and it needs to be told. I have to think that you must be afraid of what will be found out if you don't want the investigation to go on and the Truth to come out.

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Nov 4, 2013 14:33:55   #
BoJester
 
You are right, the truth should be told, but the witch hunt for political gain is not conducive to getting to the truth. The problem is that Benghazi was a screw up at several levels. But like virtually every other issue, both sides lie and distort fact to fit the narrative they want the public hear.




claytonln wrote:
You do it right? I don't care that it is liberal or conservative. The Truth is neither and it needs to be told. I have to think that you must be afraid of what will be found out if you don't want the investigation to go on and the Truth to come out.

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