Bick

started reading it sounds great. since History, especially American History, is my favorite subject.
But I tend to be very picky on subject, like I read where you said that the founders wrote the Federalists? True up to a point but only three of them wrote that and then the reason for the writing of that was? to convince the people of NY to vote for the Constitution etc.. But please that is me. I guess that comes from the 27 years as a cop... What I have read is very good. I wish I could do that kind of writing. I will enjoy the reading of it

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Do you prefer American History by some of the old writers or the new changed histories that various progressives have changed? Don't waste time answering that since I am sure what you would say.

Ready2fight

All i can say is liberals leftists progressives are MENTAL. They are a stage 4 cancer. I cant stand liberals they are stupid. they would watch a filthy Muslim blow up their own family then try to understand his foulness. They created the lazy bums that freeload off the sweat of the working class. They were the KKK before civil rights they are still the slave masters after the great society. They have put their tentacles into every fabric of this country using our tax dollars, the courts the education system, the media and holly wood. This country is lost. I dont think it will ever come back. Generations have been dumbed down. The average American is a drooling idiot sheep grazing and eating up all the liberal stupid agenda has to offer. How else can you explain Obama being Elected not once buy twice. Can you imaging a man with the middle name Huesane A first name Burak being elected President of the USA when Filthy Muslims bombed us? This country is EFFED up. Anything that is bad about America. Anything that is destructive to America. anything that weakens America a liberal policy or agenda is behind it. They are no good for nothing. Cancer, the plague, herpies

Yankee Clipper

The Progressive Patriot

You sound upset... Chill brother....then read some of my posts. They will be sure to push you over the edge.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I totally agree, and I may have found their mental illness:

http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath?s=t

so·ci·o·path
[soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry.
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


psy·cho·path
[sahy-kuh-path]
noun
a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

nar·cis·sist
[nahr-suh-sist] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who is overly self-involved, and often vain and selfish.
2. Psychoanalysis . a person who suffers from narcissism, deriving erotic gratification from admiration of his or her own physical or mental attributes.

pa·thol·o·gy
[puh-thol-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural pa·thol·o·gies.
1. the science or the study of the origin, nature, and course of diseases.
2. the conditions and processes of a disease.
3. any deviation from a healthy, normal, or efficient condition.

Yankee Clipper

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Well stated. The libs are certified brain dead. They do not deductively reason from true facts to solutions to problems as reasonably suggested by the facts. We can't live with them any longer as they are not content to run their own lives, but want to run ours also. Not hardly. It's time for war. CrazyHorse

Yankee Clipper

Bick

And from me also welcome And this is directed to any one:
How is it you all get a pic and I do not what do I need to do to correctly operate this site I am open to any suggestions please Bick

Yankee Clipper

I don't remember how I did it, but I fumbled through the directions and it worked. You can check with the administrator for help too.

Cedarstrip Loc: Michigan

First you need a picture on your computer that you want to use. Then go into "My Profile" and scroll down to the "Avatar" section. Click on "browse" which will access the drive on your computer. Navigate to the picture you want. Select it and click OK, then "update avatar". The pictures need to be GIF, JPG, BMP or PNG files.

Including pictures in your posts is similar. Directions are below the comment area.

Bick

Thanks to U both

The Progressive Patriot

If liberals are brain dead, you people have no soul.

The Conservative Thought Process
by Richard Lee 1.19.13
Of late I have taken up the challenge of engaging the extremist element of the conservative camp in cyber conversation, in the hope of coming to better understand how they think, and see the world. Let me start by saying, that while my views are light years removed from those of the conservatives, I realize that they believe in what they say as fervently as I do. And, like conservatives, I see the world through the prism of my own values. I know that we on the left are not perfect, and right all of the time, and I accept that. However, when I make a point or take a position I make every effort to back it up with objectively researched documentation. I honestly cannot say the same for many on the right who I encounter. In fact, in the course of these interactions, I’ve become fascinated by the amount of drivel that is put out on the internet by Obama phoebes and small government zealots. While I seek to engage in meaningful discourse on the facts, I am most often met with vitriol, ideological and religious claptrap devoid of substance, conspiracy theories, and a pathological paranoia and denial of reality. Rarely does anyone respond directly to points that I try to make. Having said this, allow me to share my observations.
First let me say, that I see a good deal of rigidity among conservatives. They are unable to see any nuances of difference in discussing certain topics such as Socialism. One is either a Socialist or they are not and if they are, they are always bad. They refuse to acknowledge that Soviet Socialism, and Hitler’s purported and perverted state socialism were vastly different from each other, as well as from the social democratic policies and programs that have been in effect in this country since, at least Teddy Roosevelt. They then promote the notion, that because Obama may have what some might consider “socialistic “views, (as did many presidents before him) he is automatically Hitler, or Stalin. There is also a demonstrable anti intellectualism at play here. If they reference history at all, it’s a revisionist history, using cherry picked facts. As an example, they like to point out that Hitler did in fact claim to be a socialist, and early on claimed to have drawn inspiration from Marx, but ignore the evidence that he eventually purged the party of Marxists and was no friend of labor unions. And recently, a number of conservative publications have published articles about Obama’s nomination of Esther Duflo as a top economic advisor with headlines stating ,matter-of-factly, that she is a socialist without actually explaining that further. I have been unable to find any documentation that she describes herself as a socialist, or that anyone else has either. She has ,however devoted a large part of her career to investigating the causes and remedies of poverty. And, she is French. In addition, they scream that “he” has “foreigners running the country” while being blissfully ignorant of the fact that she is a US citizen.
This rigidity and aversion to intellectual inquiry is also apparent when discussing dependency; welfare and other social programs. To the conservative mind, you’re either making it on your own, or you’re a slug, a leach, lazy and unmotivated. They are totally unforgiving when it comes to people who may need government assistance. They are so fearful of anything that smacks of “welfare” that they ignore the reality of the cruelty of a free market economy (and yes it is still largely free) which, ironically, they adamantly support. Far be it from me to seek to impugn any ones intelligence, but that sort of rigidity is often associated a less than Mensa grade I.Q. Just saying.
Apart from intelligence, there is the low information and misinformation factor, which results in part from the anti intellectual element, but which is also driven by the fear of learning something that is incongruent with their beliefs. Returning to the subject of dependency, they will cite anecdotal evidence of welfare abuse; recipients driving SUV’s, crack heads on food stamps and decide that all people on assistance are the same, while ignoring the statistics that demonstrate the reality of poverty and that most are not on drugs or collecting fraudulently. They blame Obama for joblessness, while simultaneously clinging to the belief that anyone can find a job if they would just get up off their duff and look for work-in effect denying that there is a shortage of jobs-that they blame Obama for. They repeatedly decry the “Obama Economy” but seem to be ignorant of the destruction left by Bush 43, or of Republican obstruction of the Presidents initiatives to fix the mess.
These same people will complain about paying too much in taxes and are seemingly unaware that taxes are historically low. They continue to whine about the 47% who pay no federal income tax but are ignorant, or pretend to be ignorant of the fact that those people pay other federal, state and local taxes, and that many work but are still struggling. Likewise, they ignore the fact that the disabled, the retired, and veterans are included in those ranks, and many of them are republicans from red states which harbor higher percentages of these “47 percenters”. They continue to make the deficit a major issue and make statement like “Obama has added more to the deficit than all other presidents combined, which is blatantly and demonstrably false.
I also find that they are very angry people. Now, I understand that it’s natural to be angry when things are not great, and for too many people life is hard, while it appears that others are getting over. It’s also a fact of political life that the incumbent is the convenient target of rage. However, while there is plenty of blame to go around, Obama is the target almost exclusively. They lash out at him in what seems to be a blind and irrational rage, sparked by the most mundane bits of information. An article appeared recently on the extremist Reagan Coaltion.com blog entitled Obama’s $100K Global Warming Propaganda Game. Apparently, the National Endowment for the Arts, an independent federal agency for which the president appoints a chairperson, but has no control over, is funding a video game which focuses on a young black female superhero sent to earth to save her own planet from climate change caused by social issues impacting women. While this presents an opportunity for a rational discussion of the best use of NEA funds, that moment was lost to anger and rage. One choice response: “Thay have all become TRAITORs and converted to Islam> there goal is world domination so is the NWO.(New World Order) BANKRUPT AMERICA DECLAIR MARSHALL LAW AND THROW 90% OF THE AMERICANS INTO FEMA CAMPS and KEEP THE OTHER 10% of WOMAN FOR HIS SLAVES”. Brilliant! I see some paranoia in there someplace too. I will add that grants are awarded by the NEA board. And, the Obama administration cut funding to NEA by 12% IN 2012. It is hardly “Obama propaganda.
Another article in the same right wing rag screams. “Obama Commits Treason” It’s not quite clear how he may have done so, but it appears to have something to do with his encouraging talks between the Taliban and the government in Kabul. Again an opportunity to engage in meaningful debate is lost to hyperbole. Rather than discuss the merits of negotiation with terrorists, the right’s response is to call for impeachment.
There is also a basic underlying selfishness. It manifests itself in the philosophy that altruism fosters dependency and therefore is evil, but it’s really just a rationalization for not giving up even a few crumbs of the pie. Most people outgrow Ayn Rand by the time they are adults…these guys don’t. (By the way, it’s always fun to remind Republicans and Libertarians that Ayn Rand was a pro choice atheist)
There is also an element of paranoia. “They’re coming for my guns”; “He’s going to impose martial law, or sharia law”. They’re taking away our freedom but can’t say what those freedoms are. He’s going to hand over sovereignty to the UN, to Canada, to Mexico. He hates America and wants to destroy her. And they hear things that are not said, voices in their heads. It’s been said that I want to destroy capitalism by supporting social programs and the regulation of business. I never said that Capitalism is, in itself a bad thing, and I’m not a Marxist. Someone else accused me of wanting to destroy Christianity because I advocated for separation of church and state.
Religious and racial bigotry play’s no small part. While there is usually a certain subtlety to the racism, there are no holds barred when it comes to religion. While speaking candidly, like a real person, on a talk show, Michele Obama revealed that she and her husband did not exchange Christmas gifts. This became more proof that they are Muslims. However, it was not long before, that they expressed outrage that the White House was adorned by some 54 Christmas trees. But this was not taken as proof of their Christianity; rather it was decried as “More out of control spending!” (Perhaps they should have held the line at 49 trees like G.W. Bush. No one complained then) If the Obama detractors were a little more astute, they would know that the trees are actually proof that the Obama’s are Pagans who dance naked under the moon in the Rose Garden on the Solstice, after which they sacrifice a litter of kittens.
There is no denying that huge numbers of people, particularly conservatives think that Obama is Muslim, and always as a pejorative. A Pew survey recently found that 17 % of registered voters think that he is a Muslim and when looking just at conservative Republicans, it rose to 34%. What is not clear is the extent to which they actually believe it or just use it so say “He’s not like us, he different, he’s foreign” and as a substitute for more incendiary racial epithets. In any case, it’s interesting to note that regardless of the subject at hand, no matter what crime he’s being accused of at any given time, one, and usually several people will have to throw in “Muslim” as a means of further maligning him and proving that he hates America. Moreover, what is not said is telling as well. Few others ever speak out about the slurs, indicating a tacit agreement.
The evidence of bigotry is overwhelming. Colin Powel, a Republican supporter of Obama (and yes I know he’s black) put it succinctly: “There’s also a dark — a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. What do I mean by that? I mean by that that they still sort of look down on minorities. How can I evidence that?.. When I see a former governor say that the President is “shuckin’ and jivin’,” that’s racial era slave term. The birther, the whole birther movement. Why do senior Republican leaders tolerate this kind of discussion within the party?” A recent study by a Harvard Doctoral student analyzed Google searches and charted how frequently racial epithets like “n****r” were used in various regions. He concluded that race may have cost Obama 3 to 5% of the popular vote in 2008. Similarly, A study of hate speech on Twitter in the week surrounding President Barack Obama’s reelection this week concluded that most of the racist rhetoric against Obama emanated from southern states.

There are numerous other instances where things have been said and done that exemplify antipathy towards the President, that is exacerbated by this rigidity, paranoia, anger, racism, and lack of information. A story surfaced about a discussion that took place in 2009, at Treasury, about giving investors an opportunity to convert their IRA and 401Ks to Treasury Annuities to guarantee lifetime benefits since so many had lost so much in the Bush inspired crash of 2008. The conservatives take on it “Obama seeks to nationalize retirement benefits-mandatory takeover of accounts”. I might add that this inflammatory story was run in late 2012, when there had been no mention of it for 4 or 5 years prior, and there was no indication that Obama was even involved in those discussions, leave alone supported the idea.

Also, here was a recent news article about a New York member of the House of Representatives introduced a bill to repeal the 22nd amendment, which would lift the two term limit on the presidency. The conservative hype was: “Obama takes steps to secure a third and fourth term, become president for life”. However there are a few problems with this. 1) This same bill has been introduced every couple of years for decades regardless of which party was in power, and has never come up for a vote. 2) Obama had nothing to do with the bill. 3) it would never get through congress. 3) It would require ratification of 2/3 of the states- a detail not mentioned amidst the hysteria. 4) Even if passed, Obama would still have to be reelected-unless…..OMG!

And, a recent headline accurately stated that Obama will seek to reinstate assault the weapon ban. Conservatives immediately started to scream that he is a liar because he had previously stated that he will not seek to take away their guns. True, he did make that statement. However, he also stated, during his campaign for his first term that he would in fact seek to ban assault weapons-a fact that was conveniently omitted now. They deliberately muddled the distinction between assault weapons and all guns to malign the president. Of course, with all of these examples , it’s possible that the writers know full well what they are doing when posting lies and distortions . Rather than out of ignorance, the motive may be hatred and anger, and the desire to spread fear, knowing that there are many who will eagerly believe them and not bother to check the facts. Either way, it’s despicable.

Fear mongering is very much a staple of the cyber marauders. Perhaps the best example of this is the long circulating story that a 3.9% surcharge will be levied on anyone who sells a home, to help pay for Obamacare. Like so many other falsehoods that are spread, there is a small grain of truth upon which the grand lie is built. The law does in fact mention a 3.9% tax. However, it applies only to excess capital gains on investment property sold by the wealthiest people. The people perpetrating this insanity will doubtlessly call themselves patriots while disseminating lies that can only harm a fragile economy. This is just more proof that they hate Obama more than they love America.

I could cover other issues the those on the right distort and lie about; The war on reproductive rights as being really waged by liberals, The immigrants who come to America to get on welfare, The liberal quest to force educators to teach the homosexual agenda in schools, but I think that I’ve made my point. The dynamics and motives are always the same; to smear Obama and everything progressive any way they can, regardless of the harm that it may do to the country that they purportedly love. In closing, let me say that this is my call to engage in fact based responsible dialog aimed at finding solutions that work rather than continuing to tear the country apart. Perhaps you may even teach me something

As always , I welcome comments, rebuttals and death threats. Thank you for being offended.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Bick, are you referring to the picture on the far left of the page beneath the date? If so, that is where you would place your "avatar". To do that, go to the top of the page, click on "my profile", go almost to the bottom of the page and you will see the word "avatar" and follow the instructions. If you don't have pics on your computer, go to Google images before doing any of the above, type in what kind of avatar you think you want, select one you like, save it to your desktop, then go back to your profile, click on browse, select pic from your desktop, click open, and it should then show up on your profile and on every comment you make. Good luck!