emarine

People should be judged individually.... there are thousands of questionable people within all the agencies you list.... you by choice.... choose to single out the Jews ... that is pure Anti Semitism by definition.... the definition of Zionism is simply the belief in the State of Israel.... Unfortunately hate is a very strong emotion and hard to get over and almost impossible to hide... There are many country's that have not done the right thing throughout time ... and that sucks for all involved.... Anti Semitism, racism and other forms of prejudice is not illegal ... time to man up and admit the truth

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

She certainly is entitled to her opinion. They say that if you have fifteen Jews in a room, you will get at least twenty five opinions on an issue. My statement still stands, your comments are directed to and about Jews not Israel!
I have several issues with the Israeli government, that I have posted.
1 I am against the settlement policy. I believe it is an impediment to peace and is unjust.
2 I object to the fact that ultra orthodox Jews do not have to serve in the IDF. here is nothing in the bible that that says they have this privilege.
3 I object to the ultra orthodox having total control of religious issues such as who is a Jew.
4 I don't like the sale of advanced weapons to totalitarian states.
I have listed some problems that I have with Israeli policies. Israel has told Jews in the world outside Israel to shut up. If you want to criticize us, move here. I don't remember giving up my right to free speech because I don't reside in Israel. All that being said, I support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. That is a total commitment on my part. I have contributed thousands of dollars to the JNF and other charities over there, as I have here.
I've noticed you have never had a negative comment on any Muslim country or policy. You went ballistic when a poster commented that Islam's religious policies towards non believers is " debatable". You never comment when I ask you a question about some negative news about jihadist terrorism, except to call it a Zionist controlled media plot! You have made negative comments about Christianity and the Jewish faith, but not Islam.
How about it, Mr. P, are you who you say you are?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Is this what you support saltwind?
"What does apartheid mean, in Israeli terms?

Apartheid means fundamentalist clergy spearheading the deepening of segregation, inequality, supremacism, and subjugation.

Apartheid means Likud lawmaker and former Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter calling Sunday for separate, segregated roads and highways for Jews and Arabs in the West Bank.

Apartheid means hundreds of attacks by settlers targeting Palestinian property, livelihoods, and lives, without convictions, charges, or even suspects. Apartheid means uncounted Palestinians jailed without trial, shot dead without trial, shot dead in the back while fleeing and without just cause.

Apartheid means Israeli officials using the army, police, military courts, and draconian administrative detentions, not only to head off terrorism, but to curtail nearly every avenue of non-violent protest available to Palestinians.

Late last month, over the explicit protest of the head of the Israeli Medical Association and human rights groups combatting torture, Israel enacted the government’s “Law to Prevent Harm Caused by Hunger Strikes.” The law allows force-feeding of prisoners, even if the prisoner refuses, if the striker’s life is deemed in danger.

Netanyahu’s Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, who pushed hard for passage of the bill, has called hunger strikes by Palestinian security prisoners jailed for months without charge or trial “a new type of suicide terrorist attack through which they will threaten the State of Israel”.

Only under a system as warped as apartheid, does a government need to label and treat non-violence as terrorism."
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/israeli-journalist-apartheid?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm...

payne1000

It will not be possible to have a worthwhile conversation with you until you learn the difference between Jews and Zionists.
Zionism is a nationalistic political movement. Being against Zionism is not the same as being against Jews. Does being against Nazism make one anti-German?
Zionism is what I am against. Unfortunately for Jews they get a bad rap because most Zionists are Jews the same as most Nazis were Germans.
As far as the sources I link, Mondoweiss is one I use frequently.
Both editors are Jewish: http://mondoweiss.net/about-mondoweiss

I also use this video by the son of an Israeli general. Both are Jewish and both are Zionists but they have chosen to become activists for Palestinian rights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Is this what you support emarine?
"What does apartheid mean, in Israeli terms?

Apartheid means fundamentalist clergy spearheading the deepening of segregation, inequality, supremacism, and subjugation.

Apartheid means Likud lawmaker and former Shin Bet chief Avi Dichter calling Sunday for separate, segregated roads and highways for Jews and Arabs in the West Bank.

Apartheid means hundreds of attacks by settlers targeting Palestinian property, livelihoods, and lives, without convictions, charges, or even suspects. Apartheid means uncounted Palestinians jailed without trial, shot dead without trial, shot dead in the back while fleeing and without just cause.

Apartheid means Israeli officials using the army, police, military courts, and draconian administrative detentions, not only to head off terrorism, but to curtail nearly every avenue of non-violent protest available to Palestinians.

Late last month, over the explicit protest of the head of the Israeli Medical Association and human rights groups combatting torture, Israel enacted the government’s “Law to Prevent Harm Caused by Hunger Strikes.” The law allows force-feeding of prisoners, even if the prisoner refuses, if the striker’s life is deemed in danger.

Netanyahu’s Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, who pushed hard for passage of the bill, has called hunger strikes by Palestinian security prisoners jailed for months without charge or trial “a new type of suicide terrorist attack through which they will threaten the State of Israel”.

Only under a system as warped as apartheid, does a government need to label and treat non-violence as terrorism."
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/israeli-journalist-apartheid?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm...

payne1000

Nazis believed in Germany the same way Zionists believe in Israel.
Zionists have a huge advantage over the Nazis. The worldwide Zionist diaspora of Jews is very organized and very wealthy. They can afford to buy up all the news media in countries they wish to control. Once they control the media they can control who gets elected to political office.
Once they control the politicians they can also control the use of that nation's military. They can infiltrate every important government agency.
They can even be involved in huge false flag operations and use their control of the media to cover it up as they did on the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGvjbfIASA

There . . . I've manned up and admitted the truth.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Will paynes detractors man up?
No; they will not.



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payne1000

As an atheist I don't support any religion. The reason I don't answer your questions about the negative news about Jihadist terrorism is because the sources of the news you favor is Zionist-owned. I have found that those Zionist sources lie to the world on a daily basis. Why waste my time commenting on lies?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Many of the conditions that you mention are a policy of Israel, others are not. The Jewish extremests that murderes that Palestinian family was soon captured and awaits trial. I have told you many times that I am against the settlement policy. The fundamentalist clergy you mention has power because they back a party trying to form a government and get what they want. It is an internal struggle that has zilch effect on Palestinians, The Palestinians have often been protected by the Israeli Supreme Court.
Apartheid means much the same as Jim Crow laws meant in the US before the Civil rights movement. That situation clearly does not exist in Israel. There are no racial, ethnic or religious barriers to any citizen of Israel. I went there about five years ago and I saw Ethiopian Jews, Jews from North Africa, Eastern European Jews, Christians, Arabs and every other group freely living in a democratic state. It is true that some groups especially Israeli Arabs and Druze like living in their own communities.Just like here!
It is also true that the conditions that you mention would not exist if it was not for the conflict.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

You can't be as ignorant of what is going on in Israel/Gaza.
The continued taking of more land.
The atrocities committed by the government of Israel is there for all to witness.
The videos and alternative media allows the truth to be known through out the world.
You sure seem to be a part of the Israeli propaganda ministry.
Your denial is to obvious to ignore.
Are you paid to defend these atrocities?

emarine

Ok... Larry ...
"Does being against Nazism make one anti-German?" To answer your question, NO.... I am of German descent and despise the Nazi's... Hitler was an insane animal.... He sold propaganda to achieve his goals ... When someone chooses to signal out one group of people and blame them as you choose to... its for a very specific reason... You choose to expose all Zionists as evil using bullshit propaganda ... I choose to define Zionists exactly how the dictionary defines it.... You can't seem to understand that just because someone believes that Israel and the Jew's want their own country... that everything that Israel does it ok.... Its not... The Palestinian conflict would have ended years ago if the Arabs rejected terrorism as a form of government... You cant just blame Israel, Jew's or other people who think that Israel has rights also... What is going on In Palestine is a crime ... from both sides.... you by choice only present one side concerning Israel and have signaled out just Jew's in your Anti Zionist bash for every other aspect of shit that seems to bother you... You are Anti Semitic and a bad liar who cant seem to control his hate agenda... only a fool buys your line of shit... man up Putz and post some real problems we face as a people today

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

" The Palestinian conflict would have ended years ago if the Arabs rejected terrorism as a form of government."
Pure BS.
The world is beginning to figure that out.
Payne; we need to see the map of expanding Israel again.

payne1000

You need to listen to Miko Peled again. He explains why there is no balanced argument between Israel and Palestine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhNf__kYviY

If you want me to post a real problem we face as a people today, guess what? It involves Zionists. Zionists are attempting to shut down the Iran agreement which is maybe the only way to avoid a war in the Middle East which Zbigniew Brzezinski says would be disastrous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhNf__kYviY

The white cancer is Israel's theft of Palestinian land.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

I talk facts and you talk in generalities. I get videos every day from Israeli sources showing the atrocities committed by Palestinian terrorists, Iranian declarations about destroying Israel, and other crimes. Would you like me to post them? I can, but to what end? I want to cool things down, while you seem to want to fire things up. The Israeli government decided on its own to leave Gaza and parts of the West Bank as well as Southern Lebanon. I don't recall you recognizing these facts.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

I am not wealthy. I am a retired teacher. Most Jews that I know come from similar background.
If you want to talk wealth, how about the oil Princes in Saudi Arabia , other Arab countries and Iran. They use this wealth to fund terrorism all over the middle east, much of it against Israel and the US.