Israel Killed JFK And Has Ruled America Ever Since (Page 10): The really dangerous nuts running around loose are the Zionist Neocons who constantly try to get the U.S. into wars in...

payne1000

Tasine wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br HEar me out... (show quote)

The really dangerous nuts running around loose are the Zionist Neocons who constantly try to get the U.S. into wars in which we have no stake.
These wars create the enemies which you are worried about. Muslims may hate us for supporting Israel's massacres of Muslims and the massacres the U.S. participated in on Israel's behalf in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they have no organization nor do they have the weapons to hurt America as the Zionists certainly do.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

I never heard of hasbara or Sayanim. I think that your discussion of this topic is clear by the phrase "Jew topics". When you refer to Jews, the proper term is Jewish or Jewish people. The word Jew is used in this instance as a word that is not only politically incorrect, but hateful. I asked what does insane Me mean and I still have not gotten an answer.

eagleye13 wrote:

Salty did you misread Tasine's statement? "Ho... (show quote)

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara_Fellowships

It should be clarified that these hasbarim and sayanim are not just in government, military and business and colleges and universities and media, but they are also especially heavily infiltrated throughout the religious realm and community as big time TV evangelist programs and religious centers. Also using non-profit organizations and foundations. They are in mega-churches such as John Hagee's and his CUFI organization (Christians United for Israel). They are pastors and in other church leadership position. They have infiltrated seminaries, and even synagogues throughout America; where they do their dirty work virtually undetected for Israel.

You can recognize hasbara by its/their tendency to clog any discussion with endless unrelated topics, but always diverting attention from any Jew topics. Cutting it short is the only solution to deal with it.

Sayanim, as agents for Israel, generally try to hide themselves and stay behind the scenes, but they usually try to recruit hasbara and control them as their handlers.

saltwind 78 wrote:

I never heard of hasbara or Sayanim. I think that your discussion of this topic is clear by the phrase "Jew topics". When you refer to Jews, the proper term is Jewish or Jewish people. The word Jew is used in this instance as a word that is not only politically incorrect, but hateful. I asked what does insane Me mean and I still have not gotten an answer.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Many Jews are uncomfortable with Evangelistic Christian support. They do not fully trust a theology that seeks to convert Jews as one of its main objectives. Unfortunately, we can not be too choosy about where our support comes from. I don't know anything about the two organizations of which you write about. There is certainly no need for Israeli agents to try to influence synagogues to be pro Israel. They already are! Evangelistic Christians believe that the Jews returning to their land of origin is foretold in the bible and is part of a process in which Jesus will return.

eagleye13 wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara_Fellowships ... (show quote)

emarine

payne1000 wrote:

The really dangerous nuts running around loose are the Zionist Neocons who constantly try to get the U.S. into wars in which we have no stake.
These wars create the enemies which you are worried about. Muslims may hate us for supporting Israel's massacres of Muslims and the massacres the U.S. participated in on Israel's behalf in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they have no organization nor do they have the weapons to hurt America as the Zionists certainly do.

The really interesting part of your argument is that all people who believe in Israel "Zionists" are murdering, cheating, stealing, manipulative Plutocratic, Nazi Neocons and in general are evil to the core.... then stating that the Israeli Palestine conflict is the cause of all Islamic tension on the planet is.... truly unbelievable .... Zionism is not the main cause of Anti Semitism in the world... people who think like you are

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

emarine, Thank you for your truthful and insightful comment. Payne claims to be a marine vet, but I don't believe a word he says. I think that he is either a Muslim of some kind or a plain, garden variety anti-semite. His stories about how the holocaust never occurred or was somehow the fault of Zionists has been a litmus test for anti-semitism for years. Add to this his lies about how the Jews caused 9/11, and even the murder of JFK, and, well you get the idea.

emarine wrote:

The really interesting part of your argument is that all people who believe in Israel "Zionists" are murdering, cheating, stealing, manipulative Plutocratic, Nazi Neocons and in general are evil to the core.... then stating that the Israeli Palestine conflict is the cause of all Islamic tension on the planet is.... truly unbelievable .... Zionism is not the main cause of Anti Semitism in the world... people who think like you are

emarine

Jeffhunter wrote:

You're a goddam FUKKIN jew cheerleader. That's you... (show quote)

Jeff one of the best parts of America is freedom of speech. Understanding that we comprise every possible type of people on earth all put in one place in one country is truly exceptional ... we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs... Prejudice , racism, anti Semitism all revolve around a strong dislike or hatred for someone or something. When you go out of your way to sell your dislike for whatever reason, In my opinion that makes you a judging asswipe who thinks that they are better or above someone else....The "my shit dont stink" attitude ... especially when you try and hide your hatred and blame it on something else .... If you dont like Jew's.... man up and just say that you dont like Jews... they are a minority and have been used as a scapegoat since the beginning of recorded history, its real easy and convenient... Solving real problems proves much more difficult than pointing your finger and blaming someone else ...

payne1000

emarine wrote:

The really interesting part of your argument is that all people who believe in Israel "Zionists" are murdering, cheating, stealing, manipulative Plutocratic, Nazi Neocons and in general are evil to the core.... then stating that the Israeli Palestine conflict is the cause of all Islamic tension on the planet is.... truly unbelievable .... Zionism is not the main cause of Anti Semitism in the world... people who think like you are

I never said all Zionists are "murdering, cheating, stealing, manipulative Plutocratic, Nazi Neocons," But by supporting Israel, they are supporting the mass murderers--as you constantly do.
Why can't you use accurate terminology such as "anti-Zionism" instead of the false word created to shut down criticism of Zionism?

payne1000

saltwind 78 wrote:

emarine, Thank you for your truthful and insightful comment. Payne claims to be a marine vet, but I don't believe a word he says. I think that he is either a Muslim of some kind or a plain, garden variety anti-semite. His stories about how the holocaust never occurred or was somehow the fault of Zionists has been a litmus test for anti-semitism for years. Add to this his lies about how the Jews caused 9/11, and even the murder of JFK, and, well you get the idea.

You can't seem to avoid lying any more than emarine, salty.
I never said the Holocaust didn't happen. I just provided evidence that it didn't happen the way Zionists have written it into the history books.
It's time for you to review the evidence which indicates Israel's participation in the 9/11 attacks once more. Maybe you'll find the intellectual ability to refute some of it this time but I doubt it.

1. Zionist Larry Silverstein leased the World Trade Towers only weeks before the attacks. He insured them for terrorist attacks and attempted to collect double claiming there were two attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

2. Silverstein collected over $4 billion in insurance payments on an investment of less than $120 million.
http://911review.com/attack/wtc/index.html

3. Silverstein normally had breakfast every day in a restaurant at the top of one of the towers. His son and daughter also worked in one of the towers. All three found reasons not to go to work on 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0PxzdHhPc

4. Silverstein said in a PBS filmed interview that he and the NYC fire dept decided to "pull" building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11. Wiring for explosive demolition takes weeks if not months. Why would the building which offices CIA, Secret Service, Guiliani's Office of Emergency Management and IRS be pre-wired for demolition? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Silverstein refuses to identify the fire chief he claims he talked to about "pulling" the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

5. Silverstein was close friends with Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Barack.
http://iamthewitness.com/haaretzdaily-Up-in-smoke.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/larry-silverstein-was-close-friends-netanyahu-sharon-barak
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

6. Five Israelis were arrested after filming and celebrating the towers coming down. FBI interrogation revealed they were Mossad agents. They were deported and one of them later said in a TV interview that they were there to film the event. Therefore, they knew well ahead of time that it was going to happen. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

7. Hundreds of Israeli spies were rounded up and deported right after 9/11. Many of them were posing as art students in the area where the alleged hijackers were training in Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0

8. $2.3 trillion was announced missing from Pentagon accounting while Bush appointee Dov Zakheim was in charge of Pentagon accounting. The missing funds were announced by Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 and totally forgotten in the turmoil after 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU

9. Dov Zakheim is a Zionist and a dual U.S./Israel citizen. Before being appointed Pentagon CFO, Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXLmAiNYRoE

10. Zakheim sent 32 767s to Florida in 2001 to be converted to refueling tankers. 767s are the same type planes that hit Towers I and II.
http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/153527/dov-zakheim-and-911-from-freedom-of-information-act-request

11. Many of the members of PNAC who signed the letter describing the need for a new Pearl Harbor were Zionists including Dov Zakheim, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Elliot Abrams, Scooter Libby and William Kristol.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

12. Zim American Israel Shipping, half owned by Israel, moved out of one of the Trade Towers two weeks before the attacks, forfeiting $50,000 on their lease.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/21/zim-shipping-evidence-they-knew-911-was-coming/

13. Odigo, an Israeli company with offices in one of the towers received warnings to stay away on 9/11.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579

14. Jewish-controlled mainstream media covered up the fact that the towers were blown up. All MSM news censored all the news reports that were shown on TV that day reporting bombs going off in all three towers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

payne1000

emarine wrote:

Jeff one of the best parts of America is freedom o... (show quote)

Jews are a minority in the U.S. and the world but they gain their power by being organized worldwide. So it is not the Jews in the U.S. who wield great power, it is the diaspora of wealthy Zionists worldwide who have financed the infiltration of all levels of our government, our military, our news media, our motion picture and TV industry and the Federal Reserve banking system.

Zionists in U.S. Finance and Banking

Zionists in international banking

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Jeff hunter, Thank you for your enlightened and intelligent comments. It once again shows what true Nazi philosophy really means. Just a few minor corrections:
1) I never have mentioned anything about a chosen people. We have a saying, It's true that Jews are G-ds chosen people, but I wish he would choose somebody else for a change. The truth behind this is that unlike Muslim or Christian beliefs, No Jewish authority ever said that non Jews could not be saved, because of their beliefs. Every religion I know about has declared that they are the sole owners of the truth. When this religious doctrine was first thought of, the Jews were the only monotheistic religion. " Chosen" meant that they were selected by the almighty to bring monotheism to the world as well as saying that G-d seeks justice, and morality. Unfortunately, Jews are just people and have not always lived up to this religious ideal.
2) I never said that I believed in the bible as a literal word for word truth. Like any other holy book, it is filled with wisdom, and takes on meaning according to interpretation.
3) I never said that Payne made any of this nonsense up. I think that he read it and it fits into the narrow minded view of his. The lies that the Jews caused 9/11, were responsible for JFK's death and that the holocaust never happened is ridiculous on it's face. It is a clear example of anti semitism!
It was the early Church that first started anti- Jewish propaganda for it's own reasons. I suggest that you read, Constantine's Sword by James Carroll. It is a New York Times bestseller and winner of the National Book Award. Carroll is a Catholic churchman and a noted historian. In the late 19th century, it no longer was considered cool to be against a group of people because of their religious beliefs, so the French invented anti- semitism. This was racial rather than religious bigotry.
I also suggest that you reconsider some of your own prejudices and beliefs. Hatred of any people be they Jewish, or some other group is a sign that you have a problem.
Until you adopt some of the Christian values of love, that you probably say that you believe in, I'll just say Sieg Heil, a good bye that obviously has more meaning for you.

Jeffhunter wrote:

You're a goddam FUKKIN jew cheerleader. That's you... (show quote)

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Though you say that you are anti Zionist, your arguments are anti-semetic. Your posts are usually against Jews not Israel.

payne1000 wrote:

I never said all Zionists are "murdering, cheating, stealing, manipulative Plutocratic, Nazi Neocons," But by supporting Israel, they are supporting the mass murderers--as you constantly do.
Why can't you use accurate terminology such as "anti-Zionism" instead of the false word created to shut down criticism of Zionism?

payne1000

saltwind 78 wrote:

Though you say that you are anti Zionist, your arguments are anti-semetic. Your posts are usually against Jews not Israel.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

A fine list of NWO specimens.
The ugliness is inside and out.
God has a way of marking things.

payne1000 wrote:

Jews are a minority in the U.S. and the world but they gain their power by being organized worldwide. So it is not the Jews in the U.S. who wield great power, it is the diaspora of wealthy Zionists worldwide who have financed the infiltration of all levels of our government, our military, our news media, our motion picture and TV industry and the Federal Reserve banking system.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

payne1000 wrote:

The really dangerous nuts running around loose are the Zionist Neocons who constantly try to get the U.S. into wars in which we have no stake.
These wars create the enemies which you are worried about. Muslims may hate us for supporting Israel's massacres of Muslims and the massacres the U.S. participated in on Israel's behalf in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they have no organization nor do they have the weapons to hurt America as the Zionists certainly do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Muslims hate us because we are not Muslims. I suspect there is a little jealousy involved also. So............what is your plan to rid the world of Jews? What do you want from us? The true question I am asking is: so what? You think it can be changed? You think we should round up all the Jews and build a large cremetorium? You think we should invade Israel? WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS AT THIS POINT? Discussing this will do NOTHING to get Obama out of the White House, will do NOTHING to straighten out our government. Will do NOTHING to get rid of Obamacare. Your beliefs re Jews differs from many, MANY Americans, including me. However, you do post links that have given you your thoughts. I neither agree or disagree because I am new to the arena of who is doing what in world wide affairs, but my inclination is to think the articles are hit pieces by people who don't like Jews. The primary things people should know is WHO ARE THE ONES WRITING THE STORIES YOU READ? Are they reliable and sane, or do they have bones to pick with the Jews? How much do they KNOW as compared with how much do they THINK they know? What makes you trust these people and not others who seem to be good people who happen to have nothing against Jews?