Pastor Jade

Your reply puts me in mind of a joke I once heard.
We've all heard nasty stories of Johnny, the bad boy. But this is a clean one - to the relief of maybe a few.
It seems that Johnny and his sister had just returned from church.
Johnny rushed into the living room. Threw himself upon the couch. And furiously began thumbing through his Bible. Stopping every page or so to read a bit before continuing on.
His sister watched this very unusual behavior for a couple of minutes. She'ed never seen Johnny so much as open the Bible before.
Finally her curiosity got the better of her. So she had to ask.
Johnny? What in the world are you doing?
And he replied, "I'm trying to find a scripture that'll back up a preconceived notion I just had."
It doesn't matter who is using the Bible to practice mysticism; it's still mysticism.

larry

The problem with your statement is that morality has been defined by religion, essentially Jewish-(which was divorced by Christ, although not eliminated) and the follow up of Christ's renewal of the covenant at His death with all believers of His new teaching. God did not make a covenant with the United States, he made a covenant with Christian believers. It is up to those believers to accept the Commandments and precepts of Christ in their society. The failure of our Society is the disregard of this foundational structure. We have been influenced by greed, and consequently the secular system has become a form of religion for most of us. The influence of communist and Muslim theories of control has deteriorated the system to a point that recovery is almost impossible unless the people fall back to the foundational truths of it, and resolve the destructive influences that presently persist. It is this condition of elastic morality that is the disease we need to eliminate.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

That’s a classic joke that does a much better job of instruction than trying to dissect or defend a mystical opinion. In reading my own comment, I regret implying a revival involves paying for a ticket. To be spiritually revived does not have to involve formally attending an event. More likely, the spiritual revival will come from folks being moved by the selfless Christ like acts of the religious.

larry

First, let me comment on the mantra situation. When you sit and chant a set of words or sentences over and over again, usually something short that takes no more than one breath to chant, is only used to put your mind onto nothing. If you are saying something like "Mary had a little lamb, it's fleece as white as snow. " interesting, but has no real purpose to it, your mind will lock into it and you stop thinking. Once you reach that stage, you are susceptible to any kind of weird suggestion someone injects into your consciousness. You have essentially self-hypnotized yourself. At that point any thing else you hear, because it is novel, becomes essentially truth to you at that point. Mantra's are not prayers,nor are they expressions of loyalty or honor, they are just something that is easy to repeat over and over until you fall into the mind numbing stage where any suggestion becomes a new validity.
These practices are usually put into place where there is no real authority structure, and is used to entice people to assume that there is real authority involved. An example is in the Monasteries where chants are mantra's are used to subdue individual desires.

The pledge of allegiance is not a mantra. Nor is the Star Spangled Banner. they are expressions of supposed feeling and honor, as this the Lord's Prayer, They are not mindlessly chanted. Many Songs of today are written and resemble mantra's. Which is a reason why modern music of today is producing many mindless heathens.

Evolution, as a theory is fine, but evolution requires more faith to believe than religion. It is defined as truth, with not evidence of truth. So, if you condone a faulty theory as truth, what are you doing. Suppose I were to tell you that I had a theory about egg plant being the fruit of immortality, and could not show you anyone that had attained mortality by using it, but claim that by theory, the people that ate egg plant and lived 500 and 600 year did so by eating egg plant.
Wouldn't you tell me my theory was bogus? But I would tell you that it was just a theory, so it was alright to teach it. Basically, we don't teach theories, we state them and explore them. We don't use them as alternate reality.
A theory is just a statement without proof. It should not be taught as reality.

When I said that the Churches and morality, was because the source of morality comes from Religion. It is true that some religions have different rules of morality. However, the American Society was based on the Christian tenants of morality, The Decalogue and the teachings of the Bible.

Unfortunately, today, some Churches are accepting homosexuality and homosexual marriage and abortion as an acceptable way of life because our society has adopted these
practices. Practices that are clearly against morality. We have convinced ourselves that morality is what ever feels good. The next things that we accept may be a surprise, but once we have started on this down hill ride it is difficult to stop.
Bigamy, bestiality, child abuse, adultery, prostitution, drug abuse, all loom on the horizon when we start to accept these contrary motions.

By contrast, or similarity, Muslims are not religious as much as they are political. The entire system is a political practice masquerading as a religion. The laws of Sharia, have nothing to do with worship. They are political invents to control and subvert the citizen.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

This is an awesome thread Larry, I really found it interesting and with Truth. Stick to it, and don't change, it's great~

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

Abraham did not have a child by a gentile wife either, as he did with Egypt, his own wife, and a Canaanite. In the story of the Prodigal son, you read of Noah having just to sons. Japheth, the first born, and Shem of which who produce Arabs, Abraham, Jacob, and the Israelites who mixed their bloodlines with all but Japheth, the Gentiles. When Jesus Christ died on the cross first to perge Israel sins, that son mixed in all those bloodlines and DNA finally went home repented{also having symbolized the Jews captivity in Babylon). Noah excepted him, But states to the first son "Japheth" (who had been out in the field, meaning not in the OT sceen) that Noah left him "all that he had," Japheth, progenitor of the Gentiles. Genesis 10:1-5.
Now we have a Muzlim President who is taking that blessing from us.

Noah, also said that Japheth would share in the tents of Shem. Abraham and Jacob were tent dwellers as well as Jesus Christ ancestry. In NT, when the Apostle Paul went through his own conversion, he was ordained by Jesus Christ as the Apostle to the Gentiles. The Apostle Pauls trade? He was a "tent maker.' For you Pastor Jade, take this great blessing, or deny it and abandon it.

larry

This is pretty general, there are some organizations that do believe and follow the Bible without modification. These are few and far between, but they do exist.

The organizations are not the Church, believers are the Church. We as believing human beings once born again are the Temple of God. Regardless of what plays on television and radio, it our heart and Character that needs to be aligned with God. Once we do that, we are or should be immune from false teachings. The Holy Spirit within us whispers to us as the sound of Grace. We just have to listen. Do not be dismayed by the Popular Culture extravaganzas, It is your own temple you must guard. All of us that keep our temple can keep this country with God if we remember we are the Church.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Ok. I understand your opinion better now. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. I can see how this opinion would lead you to believe these are concerns for society. I’m sure you’ve heard that folks that are into chanting explain it is expressing an old religious practice, from the early church that continued cantor practices from the bible such as the Song of Solomon. It is spiritual meditation. They say it allows them to focus on the meaning, clearing the mind from distractions of other thoughts. If it brings them closer to God, I can’t fault the practice. It is not for everyone because some people don’t experience those phenomena. Instead, they are like you, explaining an experience that is mind numbing, opposite of what the others experience. Just like the memorized pledge, some don’t have the ability to meditate but rather experience an automatic verbal response while the conscious mind is free to be distracted. I understand your opinion on evolution although you might want to stop short of picking an analogy because it wasn’t chosen well - there aren’t majorities of scientist who support the Larry Eggplant Theory. The Larry opinion is basically the same thoughts have been expressed so many times before, since 1859 and especially since it was first introduced to recommended public school biology class curriculum by the National Science Foundation in the 60’s. The opposing arguments will just have to be satisfied with agreeing to disagree. I don’t see the connection to problems in society over this issue. Thanks for the response and I understand now what you are referring to about “churches eliminating basic rules of morality”, you are referring to only the one rule of homosexuality.

DocSavage Loc: Wisconsin

From P.M. Netanyahu

As Obama/America Has Done to Israel
Obama is an international evangelist for this sin.

I warned, just a while back, that Obama was going to be severely judged by the Holy God of Israel. He acts as an “evangelist” for promoting the homosexual agenda throughout the world which makes him a target of God’s judgment. He is covered with the blood of dead babies with how he promotes abortion in every way. He is in full support of the Muslim Brotherhood knowing full well that they want to destroy Christians and Israel. He is doing everything he can to divide Israel and Jerusalem.

He is bringing upon himself a “Perfect Storm” of judgment. He is like a lightning rod for judgment, and, unfortunately, he is the president, so God’s judgment on Obama could involve the entire nation. America is ripe for judgment with 60 million dead babies and an unfettered homosexual agenda, plus the nonstop interfering with God’s prophetic plan for Israel.

Unless Obama repents of leading the nation into wickedness and sin, it really does appear that God is about to crush him. No one can do what he does without severe judgment.

Look at the timing of how both national and international calamity is falling on him with no end in sight.

I hope that the Lord breaks Obama as he did with Manasseh, the wicked King of Judah. After God’s judgment fell on Manasseh, he repented and turned to the Lord.

Obama’s Credibility Is Melting 10/23/13 While Kerry was meeting with Netanyahu, Obama is being humiliated not only in America but throughout the world.

“Bluntly, Mr. Obama’s partners are concluding that they cannot do business with him. They don’t trust him. Whether it’s the Saudis, the Syrian rebels, the French, the Iraqis, the unpivoted Asians or the congressional Republicans, they’ve all had their fill of coming up on the short end with so mercurial a U.S. president. And when that happens, the world’s important business doesn’t get done. It sits in a dangerous and volatile vacuum”

The God of Israel is only going to allow this to go so far: then judgment

Netanyahu airs fears of Iran compromise as he meets Kerry in Rome 10/23/13 When they meet, dividing Israel is always on the table. Kerry is relentless in his drive to divide Israel.

“A bad deal is worse than no deal, if it leaves Iran with the capacity to produce nuclear weapons, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned US Secretary of State John Kerry before the two met in Rome on Wednesday.“I think a partial deal that leaves Iran with these capabilities is a bad deal,” Netanyahu said.”

Merkel frosty on the U.S. over ‘unacceptable’ spying allegations 10/24/13 Obama is about to become an international pariah with no credibility. As this happens, think of how he mocks the Lord and His word. Think of how he promotes the Muslim Brotherhood, which is slaughtering Christians and wants to destroy Israel. Think of all the international speeches he makes promoting sodomy.

I cannot see how God’s judgment on Obama can miss America. It appears that the personal judgment on him is going to have a catastrophic impact on America. Watch for the US economy to melt down as Obama is judged.

Pastor Marc

larry

Well no, not just homosexuality, but abortion, and disregard of the Decalogue, and other things that can be enumerated.
gambling, divorce, prostitution, child abuse. whatever.

As for the egg plant theory, suppose in fifty years several scientists did endorse it. just as they now endorse evolution . would it then be true, or still a wild blatant scheme.

Right now, we have a preponderance of people "scientists" that are expressing global warming as a truth. Is it?

larry

Your forecast may be the most accurate of the season. We will have to wait and see. Pray for this nations mercy.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Ok, this is an even better explanation. Except for divorce and prostitution, there are no accounts that Jesus instructed on any of these morality issues. I understand your position with out the egg plant analogy as well as the position of those who dedicate their study to biology. The global warming debate is about whether the cause is natural or man made. Both sides of the debate agree, data supports that global warming is real.

DocSavage Loc: Wisconsin

I pretty much say that prayer every evening when I'm posting to my FB page. I just Pray that this all comes to pass before this Pos actually does start a Civil War through his Racist comments. Before mainstream media even came on T.V. about the Zimmerman verdict, he had his face in the screen ranting about how if he had a son like Trayvon, "balony". The very next day we started hearing from lesser news media about these groups of up to 50 blacks on 1 white person. And to this day, mainstream media makes a joke of a person being killed or brain damaged for life after having their head kicked in by these black groups. The laugh about it and call it the Knockout Game. This alone has continued to this day from NY to Ca with over 500 incidents reported now. And if this doesn't start a civil racist war, Obama's spent millions on security in case We The People come down on Wa. D.C. That's why he purchased over a million rounds of ammunition for the White House to protect obama.
Now that he's authorized Nurses assistants to do abortion's the killing fields will increase by millions daily for the most innocent of all this Blasphemy.

I have to quote a few verses from the Bible that Apply 100%, not only to our Dictator, but to every politician in office. All 535 of them.

The Man of Lawlessness
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[sin] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
N'Christ Jesus Amen Pastor Marc

larry

Jesus did instruct on all the things included int the Decalogue, He explicitly said not one jot or tittle will be changed on the commandments. As far as global warming is concerned, It has been proven that it is directly related to the activity of the Sun. It is cyclic but not predictable. The present furor is just a bunch of greedy people using this uncertainty to direct the spending of the Government to their pet projects. Where they have invested heavily to reap the consequences of what attempts to reduce this imaginary condition will produce, Contracts, of all sorts of boondoggles to get rich. If you believe what they say, make sure you cling to their investment coattails for your own ill gotten gains.

DocSavage Loc: Wisconsin

Hi Larry, I guess no one's back tracked on my previous posts, but for Uncle Jesse, I think maybe his eyes and ears are only 1/4 opened to the truths of that Book of Life, and the Greatest Author this world's ever had. I'll just briefly say when Jesse mentions Biology, steam come out of my ears. I just recently became an Ordained Christian Minister, and ironically on my wife's Birthday, 27 July. Quite a feat at 65. Even more so with a Brain tumor, a God given trickle of blood from my heels to my toes, and every 3 and 4 letter diagnosis you can think of inbetween. COPD, rt lung is all scar tissue inside, CAD,PAD,PTSD, Bi-Polar, 2 heart surgery's 9 months apart when I was 50. All this with many thanks to that creator and manufacturer when the true diagnosis of all my ills caused by no less then my time in the Army in 1966, and the thanks goes to the maker of GMO's and AOD, MONSANTO. OoooooRah, the company Blessed by our own government that to this day can't be held accountable for all the Brethren I sat with at the V.A. and have already passed from the same Diagnosis. So much for the wonderful world of Biology, Eh Jesse? Now that the introductions are out of the way, my only regret is the Holy Spirit didn't kick me in the butt decades earlier. I've lived as secluded from man as possible since Aug of 69 when I got out of the Army. I'm sure most can understand why. So my daily congregation is all the 4 leggeds that visit me in the mornings when the ground is hard. Because my arms still work I passed on an Electric Wheelchair and took a Manual one. Here in Central Wi. the ground is pretty much sand. So my wheelchair has a tendency to get stuck quite easy. When it's warm and that happens I fall forward and walk using my knees, to preach to the wildlife God's given us. They have more gray matter then most men, and actually stay till my sermons done. Then I rake my back field before going in. To Jesse, if your mind is completely open, which took me 65 years to the Holy Spirit, that little voice deep inside all of us will start shouting. All you have to do is listen for it. I've been a believer in Christ since my earliest memory's and the street Vets of the Korean war looked out for me as I grew on the streets of Chicago. They took me to the big Chicago Library, and taught me to read, and write, and at 9 got me a room at the YMCA hotel on S. Wabash Ave, just at the SW end of the Loop. None of us grew up with a perfect life, but the way I grew was for me the best, as to understanding man, and right from wrong. Oh, I've never been perfect, and always fell short with sin. But through Christ he does lighten my load. The Bible you speak of Jesse, I read over and over and over, and each time I find more mystery's of life answered. Between those covers are the answers of life, and every situation you can imagine, also contained in that wonderful Holy Book. I was very fortunate to have the Lord set his Angels on my shoulders from day 1 that I can recall. I knew it, and to this day I don't think there has ever been a day gone by that God the Father isn't in my thoughts. So many times when people write a comment, I always try to answer with God's word on the topic. Your so far off when you think after a while it all becomes rhetoric. Most likely a verse you read that sticks with you when you read it again. Just imagine how many people are unaware that the many times the bible says to Fear God, they take it literally. To Fear God can mean to have Strength in Our Father, or it can mean to have Love for our Father. Just as 1 word in Hebrew can have many different meanings. There's a woman here that tells me I suffer from pride by using and quoting bible text. How benign is that? Tells me it's a sin to have pride. When I quote verse, it's not from pride, it's from reading your comment and going to the verse where God specifically answers the question. So even though she's a woman, at times I get that response from man. Now you see why I will try to help that person to see the light, and if they continue to ridicule me as it says in
2 Timothy 3:3-5 3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. Amen
Notice the very last line. As the Millions of people, the ones that are American, born here, not a Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist, have practically all turned from the church, and Christianity. I will try several times to bring them back, and if they still ridicule me, they go on my Have nothing to do with such people list. Point made, Point Taken. The way Washington D.C. has ruined our economy, put a minion of that devil satan in office, and both sides of the aisle as guilty as the other, allowing this dictator to continue destroying our country, as every country in the world now laughs at us, and looks at obama as the biggest traitor this country's ever had, and even his loving muslim brotherhood terrorists in the Middle East no longer trust him, as the Israeli P.M. says, obama stand out as a lightening rod. And recently I watched Rand Paul talking to Kerry, and Kerry only lifted his head several times from writing jibberish I imagine sure shows the meaning of disrespectability. Funny how Kerry lied and tried to make out he was a Hero in Nam, when he was no different then any one of us there when he made his run for President. That Lie cost him the election. Well, excuse me but me brain is getting me lost down a path of tumor again so I will bow out for now, and say May God Bless and watch over all of us. Amen Pastor Marc