Pastor Jade

Sir, I have not had the opportunity to read your work.
Upon carefully studying what you have just presented I fail to find the correlation to this country's present problems and/or it's future.

Pastor Jade

OK. However I believe that I pointed out that anti-(whatever group) is not what is being discussed. Nor is name calling.
Yet, the very question "Where does America stand with God?" is bound to illicit some opinionated opposition. That's to be expected. Moreover, I believe the purpose of any forum is to solicit various points of view; whether pro or con, is it not?

Pastor Jade

Again. Yes I do have a phone.
No. We will not seek donations on this site.
Thank you for asking.

larry

You seem to have missed the fact that the school systems are teaching evolution as a religion, and excluding all other concepts. The government has dictated when and how religious repression is permitted. and unfortunately it is left up to the local School Administration to make the rules. They can allow or ban any religious activity. Which is why I believe that all children should learn the first three years in a Christian school setting Public school should not start until the child is past the age of accountability. As long as the majority of Churches in this country insist on eliminating the basic rules of morality laid down by God, we will see further corruption in our government. and the rest of our society.

Our people are not taught God's promises and instructions for a life of Spiritual power.
In addition, we are being hoodwinked into believing that the Muslim society is a religion, it is not, it is a corrupt political system that has no idea of worship. Other than the same mind numbing practices of mantra's and continual punishment.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I don't know if it will matter, but I'm not a sir, I'm a female. You of all should know that the Spirit of Jesus Christ is Prophecy. NT states that the Jews are first before the Throne of Judgment, "then the Gentiles." This is stated Twice in NT. If your unable to interpret prophecy, than it would not make sense to bring God's prophecy and Judgment into your post. This is the First and only Gentile Founded Free Land of Liberty in all time. What happens from here is scripture and prophecy laid out before us as well. If your not interested, just say so "Pastor" and I will gladly shake the dust from my feet. The Judgment of the Jews has already been handed down, in our time, for us to witness, so we would believe in our Judgment as well.

Pastor Jade

Larry, coming back to the question "Where does America stand with God?", how would you say what you've just said fit into the subject at hand?

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

I would say that America's Christians have become very quiet in the times when they should be speaking out, as well as voting. America's Christian Churches have become very very wealthy, more so that what our Lord God is happy with. Greed has taken hold of a lot of them. People as well as Christians need to know that their Faith is an inward affair between them and God, with Jesus Christ as the mediator, The Only Mediator, between the Spirit of God and Man. People need to remember that Tithes began in NT as material items donated to the poor, as well as the Church, Not Money. People need to remember that money is the root to all evil- which has become our very own Greedy Government. Do I get an A??

Pastor Jade

I apologize.
I take it , from your response, that you believe the Jewish people do not figure in any future prophecy. And, further, that America has replaced them in God's favor.
I also suspect that you believe that Christ has already come again. And that the millennium has already begun?
Or have I misread you?

Pastor Jade

Personally, if I were the judge of "another man's servant", I'ed give you an A-. But no less.
Two points: 1) People have faith. Just not in Jesus. Christians also have faith (in Jesus Christ as their Savior). That's an important distinction; else, why preach the gospel?
2) Merely a point of clarification: Yes, God (the Father) is a spirit. But to not clarify that the God in reference is The Father of Christ is an omission of importance. Many religions believe in a god that they refer to as "spirit" or "the great spirit". In other words, strong as their personal belief may be, it is simply a way to explain away their inability to engage in a (loving) personal relationship with their god. What sets the Christian apart is just that personal loving relationship made available through Christ.

However, (I apologize if I sounded like I'm splitting hairs.) your point is well taken.

larry

Well if you realize that America has been constantly forced to subvert any religious morality and standards from our school system and government activities, and is to be kept outside of society dictates, as well as an outright war against any display of the theme of Christianity. God is pushed into the background by proponents secularism and evolution. And a place where charity is looked upon and hijacked by shysters. Because there is no formal control on these activities, they are corrupting the whole society. The First Amendment of the constitution has been misinterpreted to mean Religion is taboo. When it only was meant to keep a church from running the society. Religion is still important and should be left free. our society has given up on using religion as a guide.

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

No, you have not misread me. Scripture states that if the Wild Olive Brance (America) begins boasting about itself (becoming so proud they leave Jesus Christ out of it all) Then the Original Branch (the Jews) can be grafted back in again.
Jesus Christ told the Jewish Pharisees that he will take their gift from them and give it to another that would bare fruit. For the first 150yrs, worshipping Jesus Christ is what happened here, and spread rapidly.
Our Lord God is not a hipocrit. We Gentiles are established in "Faith, and Faith alone." This is stated several time in OT. If Jesus Christ were to come in full view, then "Faith" is gone in the place of "Fact." That is not his teachings. When the Lord states that "every knee shall bend" to him, that is only at the time of each and every persons judgment, after death. That is the only way that could possible happen with all the people before us, here now, and after us.
When Jesus Returned, was in a manner unseeable to the human eye, and it was to retrieve his 144,000 at the time of the Holocaust. The 144000 were the Jews male children that were given to the Levitical Priesthood, their lives in exchange for the 1st born males of Egypt. God abides by hos own laws, a life for a life. They did noting but follow the Ark around putting up the tent of meeting, taking it down, and so forth. That was their life.
You have to remember, until Jesus Christ was resurrected as the "First" born into Heaven, all others before him slept in their graves (stated as "under the alter). So he came back for them in a manner unseen as they were dead, or asleep.
Jesus HIgh Priests spent 1000 years in Heaven with him, right? Well, now that is over because we are in the Second millennium, and America was found badly lacking in the precepts of Christ. So in 2001, our own Judgment began. Isaiah: 46:9-11, and Revelation 9:11.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

I think you're right. The majority of people who read the book would probably then go ahead and conclude a revival was needed throughout the country. They were inclined to believe that before reading the book. The majority of others that do not read the book don’t see it. They aren’t interested even after some introductory reading some parts of the book or watching clips of the author explaining the premise on the talk show circuit. I see it as some folks like a lot of drama or like to say that they’ve figured out a secret. That’s the mysticism part of Christianity that some of the evangelical and conservative Christians are into. I know Catholics and some are hurt when they hear opinion of their mysticism and pagan atrocities. But other Catholics get a belly ache from laughter, shaking their heads when they hear other Christians say they are into mysticism and paganism. They see it the other way around. They notice televangelists and internet sites egotistically worshiping (their words) hidden meanings of verse and connecting dots were no connection exists but with a dramatic explanation. I admit they have a point. Looking for drama in verses to predict a “hidden” message is mysticism. It looks silly and I avoid looking into the verses with intent of trying to find dramatic hidden meanings. And in my view, that’s what the Harbinger looks like and it’s not traditional Christianity. Revival? Go for it, I’m sure you’ll find some to get into it and pay to attend. That’s America, full of so many willing to pay for a ticket to stand with God.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Larry, bud, I feel privileged to get a comment from you. I enjoy reading your posts.
You know, you have a point about the schools getting carried away sometimes over religion. I think that it will work itself out in a common sense manner, eventually. The School Administrations in towns I know, have common sense men who are neither bible thumpers or atheists. Schools do allow time for personal prayers and evolution is still a theory, not a religion.
Did you ever consider the pledge of allegiance being similar to a Muslim mind numbing practice of mantra? Just something to think about.
Hey - what I wanted to know is (you’re way ahead of me and I don’t understand) what is the connection between churches eliminating basic rules of morality and corruption in government and society? I understand it may take a lot of text to connect the two and take it easy on me for not understanding! I guess I need to know what do you mean churches are eliminating basic rules of morality? Examples?

Pastor Jade

Addressing "Where does America stand with God?" first, and leaving until later discussion the covenant God made with Abraham (and that he reminded Isaac and Jacob of, and referred to later in many places throughout the Old, and New, Testaments), and the Law (the ten commandments and, the over six hundred, other laws) that he gave to Moses for the Hebrew nation alone; nowhere in the Bible did God ever make a covenant with any gentile nation. Nor can there be found any promise or prophecy stating that God ever would.
The United States has never been a theocratic government with a covenant initiated by God. Nor is there any promise or prophecy in the Bible declaring that such would ever happen.
Our government leaders have never been our spiritual leaders no matter how any of them may have been, or are, individually right with God. None of them have been ordained to that role. (that's not to say that none of them were Christians. I'm sure not a few were Jewish also.)
It is my contention that the spiritual condition of this country has always been in the hands of it's people. Where we've failed the country has also failed.

Pastor Jade

Wooo Hooo! 'scuse me for jumping in Larry and Uncle Jesse, but you both sure seem to have tacked down a whole bunch of points in short order.