dhelix33

The "tea party" has opposed the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause as well as the Equal Protection Clause that are part of the so-called “Reconstruction Amendments” that include the 13th and 15th Amendments that abolished slavery and granted voting rights to people of color respectively. If America was constrained to the original 10 amendments in the Constitution, the country would be no better than a third-world country, and anyone who was not white would be property.

Despite the attempts by the "tea party" to make it so, America is not a third world country, and despite the ignorant cry by teabaggers to "take America back" (to the country structured as it was in 1791), this is the 21st Century and the Constitution has been amended to correct the inequities European white-supremacists planned for America.

Racism in America permeates all levels of society and demonstrates that a large segment of society has been programmed to believe the white race is superior to blacks, latinos, and asians. The fundamental objection to President Obama is not his policies, it comes from the white supremacist belief that a man of color does not belong in the White House and that he is "a foreigner". The asinine birther movement is still alive with accusations that the president is Kenyan, and he does not look like the other presidents in money.

There are still teabaggers who spew the ignorance that President Obama is a Muslim AND panders to middle-eastern leaders AND secretly wants to destroy America. I recall the teabagger chairwoman in Sumter, South Carolina making a joke about killing the Obamas (that would include him, his children, and his wife) - and this racist dog did not see any harm in the joke. People like this should have their a** in jail.

I would expect any response from you ignorant racist teabaggers to include calling me a racist, in defense of me calling out you teabaggers on your publicly identified blatant racism, . So I will state in advance - YOU ARE PATHETIC. It's obvious the foundation of the "tea party" is ignorant racial hatred. What is also clear to me is that that you are all walking absurdities.

jasfourth401

I agree with the title of your post but disagree with the substance beneath. Every group has its own share of "stupid", even "ignorant" people, but recent polling of tea party demographics show higher college graduation rates and higher overall income than larger more diverse political groups.

For me, the reason why the tea party is ruining America is because they have decided to eat their own. Their rage and anger has turned to politicians more closely aligned with their own core beliefs. Derisive terms like RINO, hatred toward the architect of national republican supremacy (Rove) and the mistaken notion that democrats want to "get them" only fuel this frenzy even more.

The game of politics is won using a centrist approach. It's a math exercise. The farther you move right (or left), the fewer votes you'll command. And the result is a weakened opposition that is unable to counter the liberal policies. This has all but sealed the fate of presidential choice for several election cycles. This tactic has also proven to be a failure after "tea party endorsed" ultra conservatives push more centrist GOP candidates out...and given so called safe GOP senate seats to the democrats. The house is a different story since career politicians return to DC thanks to gerrymandered districts. This last edge disappears when the next census comes out and state politicians redraw lines.

But by far the biggest mistake the tea party makes is the adoption of positions viewed as negative to an ever growing part of the nation. This nation is hurtling toward a white minority environment thanks to Hispanic immigration and birth rates. It'll be here in about a decade. The vilification of Rubio only confirms this. And this will prove disastrous. Majority rules. That's politics. And politics for me is best when two strong parties debate and ultimately compromise creating centrist policy. And this won't happen if one party becomes the permanent minority.

VladimirPee

I can see you want to race bait and not have an intelligent discussion. Sorry I refuse to crawl down into the gutter with you.

dhelix33

Though they see themselves as passionate and fearless, "tea party" politicians are incapbale of stating 'definitively' what their actual goals are. We have seen their only approach to an issue or specific policy is to attack it head-on unilaterally, regardless of any political ramifications. The principle reason the "tea party" is destined to fail is because Washington has not embraced a center-right policy change in decades. During the "golden age" of Reaganism, America experienced rising debt, a continuation of entitlement programs and tax increases. During the Bush (II) years, the government continued to explode with more unfunded debt and bureaucracy. The "tea party" is destined to fail.

Instead of an actual comprehensive plan of action and general legislative approach to deal with policy issues, teabagger politicians simply throw themselves into the fray with no vision of an endgame - other than the belief that they should "win". Most of these junior politicians (who are obvious amateurs) were elected to enact change immediately, without compromising. However, our system of government, as a constitutional republic, requires branches to work with each other to reach legislative solutions. I am going to admit something here: most of the policy issues teabaggers bring up in congress are valid concerns. I too agree that as American debt continues to pile on, it will negatively affect the nation for years to come. I too agree entitlements are hopelessly mismanaged and costing us more daily. I too agree having an inefficient government that continues to grow is not a good thing. However, the problem I see with teabaggers is not the substance of their argument; rather the "tea party" being corporately bat-shit crazy. The "tea party" is destined to fail.

The government cannot be run from a minority of the minority party. And if these imbeciles ever want to become a majority party, they can’t pull stunts like a faux-filibuster and a shutdown of the government, to simply to placate self righteous indignation. With the 2014 midterm elections in sight, the Republican Party is now assessing what damage has been done by the stupidity this country has been subjected to by teabaggers in congress. Something that these teabaggers do - something I am actually lovin' - is them comparing how conservative Republican politicians are. Republican politicians like Chris Christie and Pat Toomey — are belittled for their "lack of conservatism". We have seen that the litmus test the "tea party" for a politician is that they must bat-shit crazy before going to congress.

And so, I repeat, the "tea party" is destined to fail.

kvdon

Thanks but wanted to share what I thought was a very good and well written article in any event, with as said little expectation that the more strident folk, on this site, would actually read it and get anything out of it, but you never know...ok maybe Dennis Dee with the largest count of foolish and ignorant messages, maybe zero chance.

BTW, I do often go to the noted content, often its whacko trash that no thinking person would bother reading, but your references are almost always useful and informative reading that I often find quite good and informative reading from various sources, so thanks for that.

I also post sometimes just to help add additional voices of reason, there are a few intelligent conservative posters like Voice of reason and one other on this post, name escapes me as I post this, then there is the rabble, Dennis Dee, Carolyn, Miss Brandi, Old country, etc. and the even more disturbed rabble like tasine and Astrolite and Abbas something, with crazy names and pictures of big guns etc, it always amazed me that they think anyone, at least anyone who is intelligent, could be interested or swayed in any way by their paranoid and mean posts.

Again, thanks for your informative posts and references, of course they draw the silly derision and nonsense, because of that, but they are appreciated.
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kvdon

Yes you don't want to crawl into the gutter and you want to have an intelligent conversation!!!!! NOT

As someone else posted "Dennis is a radical conservative racist, even the other conservatives on this site ignore him!" of course you preferred"

kvdon

well said, too bad the rabble will not even read it, but well said.

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kvdon

Congratulations on an intelligent conservative post, I especially admire and agree with your comment "And politics for me is best when two strong parties debate and ultimately compromise creating centrist policy." You do know Rachel Maddow often also says that, so intelligent conservatives and liberals may not agree on every policy for sure, but they do agree on that.

Sadly, the rabble on this site fed nonsense by the right wing sites, will completely vilify you as a RINO etc almost as much as the hated Rachel and seem determined to continue the path of anarchy that much more clever deceivers like Cruz are pushing them to and unable to see the easy and correct logic in what you are saying.

But again thanks and kudos for an intelligent conservative post. :thumbup: :thumbup:

VladimirPee

2 Parties have debated and compromised for decades. Perhaps Maddow doesn't understand that we " compromised" ourselves to 17 Trillion in debt. Just look at the latest " compromise" which had 2 Billion in Pork for Mitch McConnell. At some point someone has to have the courage of their convictions and stop compromising on our future.

jasfourth401

History is littered with failed extremists both on the left and right. They rise and fall when tough times appear. Recent admired presidents (by their own party and even some on the other side), chose a centrist approach. Reagan and Clinton come to mind.

For me, the real danger is this angry finger pointing (by both sides) has obscured the real issue. And that issue is an out of touch political elite firmly entrenched in Washington. The biggest lobbying firms in DC now have two heads. One panders and gets paid by the conservatives. The other gets greased by liberal groups. They thrive by creating this illusion of discord, when in reality, this discord simply confirms their belief (wrongly), that somehow they are important...more important than the constituents who sent them there. They serve at the behest of corporations.

As a side note, I would be very careful in your labeling Teddy Cruz a deceiver. He is far from it. He is a very shrewd operator. His optics may be shrill...but they resonate with many people. But shrill tones only get you so far. The question now becomes what he will do with his increased stature. Screaming about the problem does nothing to solve anything. His greatest mistake was his recent senate 21 hour talkathon. All he had to do was get up, scream ACA was a load of crap, and then carefully lay out his proposed fix. That gives you credibility...that gets you votes...and I think that's what he'll eventually realize. Underestimate him at your peril.

P.S. Sorry...not an MSNBC watcher...my taste runs toward CNBC.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Irrefutable Proof that Ted Cruz is Congress' Biggest Liar!

http://crooksandliars.com/blue-texan/new-study-shows-ted-cruz-r-tx-congress-

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

Cruz is a saint compared to Obutthead, Harry "My Way or the Highway" Reid, "Only Time I Open My Mouth Is To Change Feet" Pelosi, "Putzhead" Schummer, "Turbin" Durbin, et al! Like all liberals, it's easy to see when they are lying, their lips are moving!

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

mainly the tea party have not provided viable legislation for consideration. Not doing ANYTHING is not an accomplishment, it's an impediment.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

When will the GOP Lies Stop!

http://www.disorderlyreport.com/2013/10/04/when-will-the-gop-misinformation-bubble-burst/

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

if elected officials started telling the truth about ANYTHING they would slip up and reveal their self interest.