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Jul 3, 2015 10:38:39   #
emarine
 
Loki wrote:
I believe I would hang with a Sabra. Many American Jews have the same faith in government that led to their disarmament, persecution and murder in the 1940s. Israelis are realistic.


Thus the importance of a well armed electorate ... vote your preference but cover your 6 :thumbup:

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Jul 3, 2015 10:54:04   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
son of witless wrote:
You cannot leave out the European Appeasers. From 1933 to 1937 Germany was weak enough for England and France to have shown Hitler the door. The legal justification could have been found easily. Chamberlin was the Barak Obama of the 1930s.

Weakness and appeasement get millions killed. I wonder how far history will repeat itself this time around. Instead of Germany, Italy and Japan you have Russia, ISIS, and Iran.


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I beg to differ. Obama is the FDR of the 2000's.

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Jul 3, 2015 11:06:58   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
payne1000 wrote:
Here's an interesting article:

UK Politician Suspended for ‘Jews Caused Holocaust’ Statement

A British politician who said that Jews deliberately orchestrated the Holocaust has been suspended by her party.

Anna-Marie Crampton allegedly wrote on her website, “Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers.”

“The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today.”

Cramptom, a UKIP candidate for local government, made the alleged comments on a conspiracy website.

The UKIP, which describes itself as democratic and libertarian, has released a statement saying the party is “appalled” by the comments. “We are confused as to why a party like the UKIP would be seen by anyone as a suitable vehicle for someone holding these sorts of views,” a party spokesman said.

However, the party is withholding judgment until after an investigation. Crampton has claimed that the offensive remarks were posted by a “troll” who hacked her account.

She said that she does “post on Zionism as a political movement,” but denies harboring anti-Semitic feelings.

If Crampton is found not to have made the remarks, UKIP will apologize for suspending her, party officials said.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167525#.VZaH-UbvQ0g
Here's an interesting article: br br b UK Polit... (show quote)

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As you take pride in others denigrating Jews, if Anna-Marie Crampton is guilty of saying these words, then it can be surmised that she must be your mama; or a relative of some sort. Daughter, perhaps?

I'm presuming you have the ability to reproduce. Sadly, that, in itself, would be a crime against humanity. Low-life's, like you, who promulgate fear and hate, should be sterilized and removed from society; perhaps sent to a remote and barren, desert island where you and your kind can literally feed off one another.

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Jul 3, 2015 11:12:04   #
Rufus Loc: Deep South
 
alabuck wrote:
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As you take pride in others denigrating Jews, if Anna-Marie Crampton is guilty of saying these words, then it can be surmised that she must be your mama; or a relative of some sort. Daughter, perhaps?

I'm presuming you have the ability to reproduce. Sadly, that, in itself, would be a crime against humanity. Low-life's, like you, who promulgate fear and hate, should be sterilized and removed from society; perhaps sent to a remote and barren, desert island where you and your kind can literally feed off one another.
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I agree. Anyone that is against Jews ( God's chosen people ) and denigrates Jews and lies about the Holocaust must be exterminated like the filthy vermin they are.

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Jul 3, 2015 11:18:28   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
payne1000 wrote:
All you can do is copy Loki who was the first to falsely label me a hasbarat.
A hasbarat defends Zionism. How stupid is it to call me a hasbarat?


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Loki wasn't "falsely" accusing you. He was just using your insult against you. He simply redefined the word to make you its definition; and quite accurately, I might add.

The new definition of "hasbarat" is: "Anyone or anything that copies, mimics, or resembles, in any way, a 'payne1000.'"

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Jul 3, 2015 11:26:46   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
payne1000 wrote:
If Hitler said that, he was warning the Jewish financiers not to repeat their actions which caused WWI. Hitler warned that all European Jews would be in harm's way if they caused another World War.
Hitler was attempting to avoid WWII. The Rothschilds and the Warburgs did not heed his warning. Shedding some non-Zionist Jewish blood got Zionists a seat at the Nuremberg Trials and a solid foothold in Palestine.
The prosecution at Nuremberg was 75% Jewish. This enabled Zionists to control the narrative of what was recorded at the trials. They have been controlling that narrative ever since.
If Hitler said that, he was warning the Jewish fin... (show quote)


Much of what was said in the recap of WWII was was said by the victors.

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Jul 3, 2015 15:14:21   #
rolse
 
payne1000 wrote:
Is this the crematoria you are talking about?

Go back and read Sissymary's comment. Anyone who can think will see how absurd it is to think there could be that many cremations. Remeber, it takes about 7 hours to cremate one body--7 hours worth of fuel which was in short supply.


No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. Possibly a "re-creation" of some sort for public consumption. The originals were poured concrete lined with firebrick and used natural gas and wood and coal as fuel. Over a dozen bodies could be burned at one time in each unit. Forced draft, coupled with a tall stack, increased the temperature to about 2100 deg. F. In about two hours, the remains were pulled out and a new load was put in. Even then, the ovens always fell behind, so the most decomposed were loaded in first; especially during the summer months. Liquid fuels were in short supply later in the war. Natural gas was not. They weren't fussy about complete combustion, either. They had plenty of labor to pulverize bones and bury them. When they got too far behind, the bodies were loaded on gondola cars and buried in mass graves.

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Jul 3, 2015 15:24:12   #
67p5065
 
rolse wrote:
No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. Possibly a "re-creation" of some sort for public consumption. The originals were poured concrete lined with firebrick and used natural gas and wood and coal as fuel. Over a dozen bodies could be burned at one time in each unit. Forced draft, coupled with a tall stack, increased the temperature to about 2100 deg. F. In about two hours, the remains were pulled out and a new load was put in. Even then, the ovens always fell behind, so the most decomposed were loaded in first; especially during the summer months. Liquid fuels were in short supply later in the war. Natural gas was not. They weren't fussy about complete combustion, either. They had plenty of labor to pulverize bones and bury them. When they got too far behind, the bodies were loaded on gondola cars and buried in mass graves.
No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. P... (show quote)

there are those that always try to rewrite history will they manage to do it this time ?

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Jul 3, 2015 15:41:21   #
payne1000
 
alabuck wrote:
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As you take pride in others denigrating Jews, if Anna-Marie Crampton is guilty of saying these words, then it can be surmised that she must be your mama; or a relative of some sort. Daughter, perhaps?

I'm presuming you have the ability to reproduce. Sadly, that, in itself, would be a crime against humanity. Low-life's, like you, who promulgate fear and hate, should be sterilized and removed from society; perhaps sent to a remote and barren, desert island where you and your kind can literally feed off one another.
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Anna-Marie Crampton probably researched world Jewry's declaration of war against Germany and the boycott against German goods which took place in 1933. She probably then learned about the Zionist act of treason against non-Zionist Jews when the Traitors took a $100 million of Jewish money to Palestine in order to break the boycott and save Hitler's economy. The non-Zionist Jews who were patriotic to Germany were sending telegrams to the Jews in control in NYC begging them to stop aggravating the Nazis and causing them to persecute the Jews of Germany. World Jewry ignored these pleas. They were willing to sacrifice the non-Zionist Jews of Germany in order to get a foothold in Palestine.

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Jul 3, 2015 15:45:41   #
payne1000
 
rolse wrote:
No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. Possibly a "re-creation" of some sort for public consumption. The originals were poured concrete lined with firebrick and used natural gas and wood and coal as fuel. Over a dozen bodies could be burned at one time in each unit. Forced draft, coupled with a tall stack, increased the temperature to about 2100 deg. F. In about two hours, the remains were pulled out and a new load was put in. Even then, the ovens always fell behind, so the most decomposed were loaded in first; especially during the summer months. Liquid fuels were in short supply later in the war. Natural gas was not. They weren't fussy about complete combustion, either. They had plenty of labor to pulverize bones and bury them. When they got too far behind, the bodies were loaded on gondola cars and buried in mass graves.
No, it's not. I don't know where that came from. P... (show quote)


Can you show photos of what you describe?
Surely if they photographed all the stacks of bodies, they photographed the ovens you describe. If you can't show photos, maybe you can show a source for where you got your information. If you can show neither, readers may think you made it all up.

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Jul 3, 2015 15:51:11   #
payne1000
 
67p5065 wrote:
there are those that always try to rewrite history will they manage to do it this time ?


History was rewritten at the Nuremberg Trials.

Here's some real history for you:

American Nuremberg prosecutor, Thomas Dodd, wrote in a letter to his wife during the trials:

"You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge -- you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial -- for their own sake.

"For -- mark this well -- the charge 'a war for the Jews' is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again.

"The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads. I do not like to write about this matter --it is distasteful to me -- but I am disturbed about it. They are pushing and crowding and competing with each other and with everyone else."

http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Nuremberg/Thomas_Dodd_ltr.html

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Jul 3, 2015 16:01:00   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
alabuck wrote:
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Loki wasn't "falsely" accusing you. He was just using your insult against you. He simply redefined the word to make you its definition; and quite accurately, I might add.

The new definition of "hasbarat" is: "Anyone or anything that copies, mimics, or resembles, in any way, a 'payne1000.'"


There you have it, your very own neologism.

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Jul 3, 2015 16:01:02   #
payne1000
 
alabuck wrote:
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Loki wasn't "falsely" accusing you. He was just using your insult against you. He simply redefined the word to make you its definition; and quite accurately, I might add.

The new definition of "hasbarat" is: "Anyone or anything that copies, mimics, or resembles, in any way, a 'payne1000.'"


Here's an accurate description of "Hasbarat:"

"If you have ever visited a blog or on-line discussion group on the Middle East you have doubtless had the misfortune to run into them.

They are known by the language they use: depraved sexual insults, bile, bigotry, threats, disinformation and character assassination. That’s right: I’m talking about “hasbarats,” zionist trolls who infect the Internet with hasbara, pro-Israel propaganda. Of course, mainstream media hasbarats have been around for decades, as have “hasbaratchiks,” fifth-columns in foreign governments who subvert national policies to serve Israel. The Internet, though, is the latest, some might say the greatest, propaganda playground, and Israel cannot cope with factual, passionate, well-documented stories that expose its war crimes and unrepentant criminality."
http://www.gregfelton.com/media/2009_09_30.htm

That should give readers a clear picture of who the Hasbarats on this forum really are.

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Jul 3, 2015 16:04:08   #
payne1000
 
Loki wrote:
There you have it, your very own neologism.


He didn't coin a new word. He gave a false definition to an existing word.
Are all hasbarats as ignorant as you two?

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Jul 3, 2015 16:08:37   #
rolse
 
payne1000 wrote:
Anna-Marie Crampton probably researched world Jewry's declaration of war against Germany and the boycott against German goods which took place in 1933. She probably then learned about the Zionist act of treason against non-Zionist Jews when the Traitors took a $100 million of Jewish money to Palestine in order to break the boycott and save Hitler's economy. The non-Zionist Jews who were patriotic to Germany were sending telegrams to the Jews in control in NYC begging them to stop aggravating the Nazis and causing them to persecute the Jews of Germany. World Jewry ignored these pleas. They were willing to sacrifice the non-Zionist Jews of Germany in order to get a foothold in Palestine.
Anna-Marie Crampton probably researched world Jewr... (show quote)


Now you are right on target. The Zionists, AND certain elements in the banking/industrial cabal in the United States, conspired together to finance the Nazis and Hitler's programs. It is seldom mentioned, but Adolph Schnickelgruber (spelling? aka Hitler) was at least part Jewish. The Jews in the German banking/industrial cabal who profited from war, as they did here and in the U.K., were not sacrificed in the slave labor/murder round up. They profited from it. The horrors of the Nazi regime were real, but as is the case with most of what the great majority of people are led to believe, are not truthfully presented in history. The primary reason we have compulsory public schooling is the prevention of the truth becoming known. It is also why all "teaching" is from textbooks rather than a study of the original documents. This now carries through the university level in most cases.

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