JW wrote:
Typical Liberal BS... I know, I used to be one, Liberal, that is. Two things grew to bother me over the years and your diatribe contains both of them.
1. Liberals can't seem to focus on anyone but themselves and their own interests. As long as things work out for you and yours, the rest of the country can go to hell.
2. Liberals can't seem to see their fellow citizens as capable of making decisions for themselves. It requires the wise Liberals to guide and direct the cretins who can't see things the Liberal way.
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Hey, just because that's the way you were in your "liberal" days doesn't mean that's the way all liberals are. In fact, if that's the way you were, not caring about anyone else but yourself and not thinking anyone else can make decisions for themselves then I would say you were just wearing the wrong badge. Those are totally right-wing traits.
For instance, conservatives are the one's telling women they can't make their own decisions regarding pregnancy - did you forget that? Conservatives are the ones telling gay people they can't decide to get married - did you forget that too? Conservatives are the ones telling us we can't decide for ourselves whether or not we want to smoke pot or visit Cuba. I spent a few years in the south where conservatives don't think people should be allowed to drink on Sundays either.
And here you are telling me that it's the liberals that don't think people should make their own choices? Are you retarded? Liberals are also the ones sticking up for the immigrants that conservatives don't like, don't want and don't care about. And you're telling me it's the liberals that don't care about anyone else but themselves? Liberals are the ones sticking up for the Muslims in this country that are just trying to live life but are getting pelted with hate crimes, hate speeches and bigotry ALL from the right.
Liberals are in fact standing up for everyone being beaten down by the laws and personal restrictions coming from the right. And you're telling me that liberals are the ones that don't care about anyone else but themselves? That's rich.
JW wrote:
Liberals used to refer to anyone who disagreed with Liberal ideology as a Hitler. That changed when Geraldo defected to Fox News. Ever since, those who disagree with you must be homophobes, misogynists, bigots or just too stupid to see the light.
It always cracks me up how conservatives think liberals have an ideology. They don't. What they have is a general sense of human morals and when they see conservatives acting immorally (which in liberal terms means hurting people for shitty reasons), certain references come to mind... Hitler being the classic example, but certainly homophobes, misogynists, bigots and stupidity all apply, depending on the behavior.
Don't think for a moment I think it's as black and white as this... Some of the smarter people on this forum have been saying that both sides are guilty of intrusion upon others and this is true. We certainly have bigots on the left too but they are far more marginalized on the left, where on the right, bigotry without a doubt, moved front and center. This is evident in the reaction of peers... When someone on the left expresses bigotry, the crowd get's pretty quiet and uncomfortable. When someone on the right expresses bigotry they are hoisted upon shoulders and cheered.
JW wrote:
Both sides in the battle for the political soul of America have their problems. But only the Left is downright mean spirited and outrightly hateful.
I think that depends on what the liberal is focused on. Are you going to say that when conservatives are focused on Muslim terrorism they aren't mean and hateful about it? You don't think that conservatives tend to be mean and hateful toward blacks, queers, immigrants, Democrats, the ACLU or the President of the United States of America... and his wife? Do you want me to pull some examples from right here on OPP?
Have a look at the abundance of mean-spirited pictures posted on this site and try to find just one posted by a liberal. I could rest my case right there but I have one more thing to say...
It's human nature for people to get mean spirited when they get frustrated. Are you telling me that when liberals see conservatives vote for laws that encroach on our freedoms or overturn our efforts to keep the environment safe from pollution we should just sit there and smile?
Are you telling me that when conservatives start shitting on our constitution we should be polite and forgiving? Damned right we get mean and nasty, that's what happens when we see our democracy and our liberties being compromised.
You have to understand... we really do think you are the worst possible thing that can happen to our freedom and our well-being. We are supposed to be a democracy... (democratic republic to be exact) so we depend on you to make the right decisions with us but over the past 10 years you have been turning your back on democracy (anti-government sentiment) and handing all the decision-making to the oligarchy that you don't even understand. You have this weird faith in big business because you think big business is controlled by this Invisible Hand and you would rather let the Invisible Hand decide our fate than a democracy of people.
And yet you say it's the liberals that don't think people can make their own decisions.