JW

Typical Liberal BS... I know, I used to be one, Liberal, that is. Two things grew to bother me over the years and your diatribe contains both of them.

1. Liberals can't seem to focus on anyone but themselves and their own interests. As long as things work out for you and yours, the rest of the country can go to hell.

2. Liberals can't seem to see their fellow citizens as capable of making decisions for themselves. It requires the wise Liberals to guide and direct the cretins who can't see things the Liberal way.

Liberals used to refer to anyone who disagreed with Liberal ideology as a Hitler. That changed when Geraldo defected to Fox News. Ever since, those who disagree with you must be homophobes, misogynists, bigots or just too stupid to see the light.

Both sides in the battle for the political soul of America have their problems. But only the Left is downright mean spirited and outrightly hateful.

Yankee Clipper

Anigav6969

Very typical.....cannot make his point....so he runs away.........

You did not give examples of dissipating freedoms.....political correctness ? Same sex marriage ?.......these are your examples that we are all supposed to just accept ?...you must be joking ? You are so entrenched in your beliefs that you are blind...Straightup is correct

And you didn't say we are having violent " conflicts" ...you said we are already at war...and it will become a violent war ....and you agree with SicilianHead that there will be two sides.......since when in this country haven't we had violent conflicts....what a silly simplistic statement

Anigav6969

A very simplistic way of looking at things....news flash...the real world is complicated....people like yourself see no grey areas...you just scream LiBTARD ! And run away.....too much Rush, Hannity, and Oreilly is my guess

rebecwi333 Loc: Louisiana

AGREED... :thumbup:

Anigav6969

Disagreed :thumbdown:

Anigav6969

Yankee clipper....
"Do I Think there are millions of insane people in this Country ?? Absolutely ! I don't think there are millions on insane people, but I think it is possible they number in the 100s of thousands. I do however think there are many, many more that are unstable at best and it will not take too much to push them over the edge and they represent all persuasions of beliefs and ideologies. Of course I cannot prove you wrong that one day the U.S. Will be a Marxist Country... Of course, I didn't expect you to be able to prove me wrong. I will say this to you, right now it looks like a wash and we could go either way. Even that's scary to me. it just seems a paranoid leap.... I don't think paranoid it the right word and I can't come up with it right now. Let's just say there are plenty of rational conservatives that are very wary of our political and financial welfare at this point in time. e and expose our differences .....most of us are concerned, but for different reasons, and believe the causes of most of the problems of this country stem from very different things.... Why don't you list those different reasons as you see them. If you don't want to do it here, send it to me by the private message function of this site. That might save you some grief at this point in time.I'll send you back some sources which you can study and learn or discard, your choice. it's actually a good question and could make for an interesting thread... I believe you could be right, but I am afraid it would not take long before emotions take over and the thread would turn irrational......I always get a kick out of some people here that just for the sake of simplifying a situation , they just scream Marxist...and something about Alinsky ....who, I never even heard of before I got to this site.. There's a reason why many, me included, allude to Marxism, and it's not just paranoia at work. You need to read a whole lot more on political ideologies and tactics, you seem a lot naive to me. A substantial number of conservatives on this site are well read on issues of the day and of the subversive ideologies that are constantly nibbling around the edges trying to destroy our religion, our Constitution, and eventually our nation. Look at the 1950's and 1960's Soviet Union, that's the communist ultimate goal. The New World Order has been around to centuries and it too has a goal which in practice would not be all that different from the old Soviet Union. Both systems were and are an elitist run utopian plutocracy type of dictatorship whose average citizens will live an equally shared life of misery and subsistence survival."

You keep writing within my post....it's difficult to do Quote/Reply......that being said: first, I think there is ZERO chance of this country becoming a Marxist country....this is total paranoia on your part and others that believe the same....total nonsense

Why would I send you the reasons in a private message ? Grief ? Lol....what planet are you on ?.....the concerns that many n the left have with our economy is obvious....we live in an Oligarchy. This has already been proven. Only the wealthiest people have any influence on policy in this country...I feel this started with Reagan....no President, including Obama, has been able to ( or has not wanted to) do anything about this.....the answer to me is simple...get the money out of politics..

The only people I see ruining this country....and holding back this country...is the conservative, religious right....they've always tried to hold back the country....thankfully, the country moves on without them

straightUp Loc: California

Hey, just because that's the way you were in your "liberal" days doesn't mean that's the way all liberals are. In fact, if that's the way you were, not caring about anyone else but yourself and not thinking anyone else can make decisions for themselves then I would say you were just wearing the wrong badge. Those are totally right-wing traits.

For instance, conservatives are the one's telling women they can't make their own decisions regarding pregnancy - did you forget that? Conservatives are the ones telling gay people they can't decide to get married - did you forget that too? Conservatives are the ones telling us we can't decide for ourselves whether or not we want to smoke pot or visit Cuba. I spent a few years in the south where conservatives don't think people should be allowed to drink on Sundays either.

And here you are telling me that it's the liberals that don't think people should make their own choices? Are you retarded? Liberals are also the ones sticking up for the immigrants that conservatives don't like, don't want and don't care about. And you're telling me it's the liberals that don't care about anyone else but themselves? Liberals are the ones sticking up for the Muslims in this country that are just trying to live life but are getting pelted with hate crimes, hate speeches and bigotry ALL from the right.

Liberals are in fact standing up for everyone being beaten down by the laws and personal restrictions coming from the right. And you're telling me that liberals are the ones that don't care about anyone else but themselves? That's rich.


It always cracks me up how conservatives think liberals have an ideology. They don't. What they have is a general sense of human morals and when they see conservatives acting immorally (which in liberal terms means hurting people for shitty reasons), certain references come to mind... Hitler being the classic example, but certainly homophobes, misogynists, bigots and stupidity all apply, depending on the behavior.

Don't think for a moment I think it's as black and white as this... Some of the smarter people on this forum have been saying that both sides are guilty of intrusion upon others and this is true. We certainly have bigots on the left too but they are far more marginalized on the left, where on the right, bigotry without a doubt, moved front and center. This is evident in the reaction of peers... When someone on the left expresses bigotry, the crowd get's pretty quiet and uncomfortable. When someone on the right expresses bigotry they are hoisted upon shoulders and cheered.


I think that depends on what the liberal is focused on. Are you going to say that when conservatives are focused on Muslim terrorism they aren't mean and hateful about it? You don't think that conservatives tend to be mean and hateful toward blacks, queers, immigrants, Democrats, the ACLU or the President of the United States of America... and his wife? Do you want me to pull some examples from right here on OPP?

Have a look at the abundance of mean-spirited pictures posted on this site and try to find just one posted by a liberal. I could rest my case right there but I have one more thing to say...

It's human nature for people to get mean spirited when they get frustrated. Are you telling me that when liberals see conservatives vote for laws that encroach on our freedoms or overturn our efforts to keep the environment safe from pollution we should just sit there and smile?

Are you telling me that when conservatives start shitting on our constitution we should be polite and forgiving? Damned right we get mean and nasty, that's what happens when we see our democracy and our liberties being compromised.

You have to understand... we really do think you are the worst possible thing that can happen to our freedom and our well-being. We are supposed to be a democracy... (democratic republic to be exact) so we depend on you to make the right decisions with us but over the past 10 years you have been turning your back on democracy (anti-government sentiment) and handing all the decision-making to the oligarchy that you don't even understand. You have this weird faith in big business because you think big business is controlled by this Invisible Hand and you would rather let the Invisible Hand decide our fate than a democracy of people.

And yet you say it's the liberals that don't think people can make their own decisions.

straightUp Loc: California

Sorry, I've been away from this discussion for a while... but I had a look back through the discussion for those references you said you gave Anigav and I don't see them. Could you point them out again please?

Anigav6969

Better than I ever could have said it..........standing ovation !

Yankee Clipper

Anigav6969

Yankee clipper....

You keep writing within my post....it's difficult to do Quote/Reply......that being said: first, I think there is ZERO chance of this country becoming a Marxist country....this is total paranoia on your part and others that believe the same... I didn't say I thought the country was becoming a Marxist country, I said "It could go either way at this point". I am not sure you know the differences in the many "isms". total nonsense

Why would I send you the reasons in a private message ? Grief ? I figured if you listed out your reasons which I was interested in seeing, someone might attack you for it, that is all. Lol....what planet are you on ?.....the concerns that many n the left have with our economy is obvious... I understand, not enough money to spend on boondogles the only advantage Republicans have over Marxist/democrats is Repubs spend slightly less. we live in an Oligarchy. You really mean a Plutocracy rather than an Oligarchy, however, they are both similar in the fact that it is the few ruling the many. This has already been proven. Only the wealthiest people have any influence on policy in this country...I feel this started with Reagan.... The problem goes clear back to the beginning of our Republic.no President, including Obama, has been able to ( or has not wanted to) I agree,"has not wanted to" do anything about this.....the answer to me is simple...get the money out of politics.. I am open to getting the money out, but how do you propose to do it? I have no idea at this time.

The only people I see ruining this country....and holding back this country...is the conservative, religious right....they've always tried to hold back the country....thankfully, the country moves on without them The last paragraph is way over the top and even you know that.

Yes, I saw that you stated it can go either way.....I'll say again, there is ZERO chance of this country becoming Marxist

No, I meant Oligarchy

Good point on not knowing what to do to trying to get the money out of politics....there are some movements though...the good thing, is it doesn't matter if the movement is from the right or left....if it helps get the money out, I'm for it.....here's just one : www.wolf-pac.com

Yankee Clipper

straightUp Loc: California

'looks like you figured out the quote/reply process :)

I just wanted to ask... What makes you think Marxism even has a chance in this country? Thanks to the Progressive movement, Marxism hasn't seen any real popularity in this country since the 20's.

Maybe I should be asking you what you think Marxism is.

Yankee Clipper