Ve'hoe

Conjecture,,, you offer opinion,,, zero proof.... waiting on your proof,, not more speculation.... you didnt even read and accurately depict the bullsh-t youre trying to pass off as truth....

And in the earlier fire, there was no impact of a jet liner..... you dont know a single thing you have tried to talk about.

Yeah,,,, I was on Active duty that day, in a Command Center watching what happened...

You are just wrong,, duped by all the conspiritorial ding a lings...

get yourself a thicker tin foil for your hat.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Gosh, where the hell did the fire go? Damned thing was burning for an hour then it just magically disappeared. WTF? It is impossible to believe that a commercial aircraft loaded with a 10,000 gallons of JetA and flying into the building at 400+ mph could have started a fire. In all those videos of the event, I could have sworn that I saw huge fireballs blowing through those towers, but maybe I just have a vivid imagination. Probably been watching too many movies. Maybe the attack on 9/11 was only a remake of "The Towering Inferno" and "Ladder 49" combined into one fantastic screenplay.

Oh yeah, and then while we watched those imaginary fires burning on many upper floors of the WTC towers, a 160,000 tons of building collapsing suddenly snapped us back to reality. Yep, there were no fires, we were just dreaming.

Too bad we can't ask the 200+ people who splattered on the streets and roofs of nearby buildings what forced them to jump to their deaths. Maybe it was just the cool wind coming off the harbor that blew them out through those big holes in the buildings.

AA Flight 11

UA Flight 175

AA Flight 77

UA Flight 93

South Tower onset of collapse.

payne1000

The photo you posted shows the top 30 floors of the South Tower tilting severely to one side. If explosives hadn't disintegrated those floors and the floors underneath, they would have fallen off to one side as they had started to do.

What the videos show about the burning fuel is that most of it burned up in the air outside the Towers not inside the towers.

You mention the people who jumped to their deaths but you fail to mention the bone fragments found on top of the 40-story Deutsche Bank Building which was hundreds of feet from the closest tower. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/nyregion/06remains.html
Gravitational force is straight down. What would it take to turn human bodies into bone fragments? Not fire, but powerful explosives, which hurled the fragments hundreds of feet outward as the towers fell at almost free-fall speed. What is the only force which has caused steel-framed skyscrapers to fall in the hundred-year history of skyscrapers?
You guessed it . . . controlled demolition. No steel-framed skyscraper in history has fallen from fire damage. None did on 9/11 either.

This skyscraper in Spain burned for 20 hours. It remained standing.


This building burned for less than an hour. It fell at near free-fall speed. Does that look like fire or does that look like explosions?

Ve'hoe

Like I said,,, how many buildings have you actually blow up???


You are full of shiite.... hadji

payne1000

Is that your rebuttal?
Can you refute anything I posted?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Unfuckingbelievable. Those 30 floors weighed in the neighborhood of 160,000 tons, do you really think they would have defied the laws of physics and fallen over like a cut down tree? You acknowledged that gravitational force is straight down, so how in the hell could such a massive weigh, 280 feet on a side, simply topple over? You gotta be nuckin' futs.

The bone fragments found on the Deutsche Bank Building (the Marriot and others) were the remains of those in both the aircraft and the buildings killed when the planes crashed into the buildings. I mean, good grief, body parts were found 10 blocks from the site.

Moreover, during my career as a skydiver, on three occasions I have seen the results of a human body impacting the earth at free fall speeds. It ain't pretty. It takes a skydiver around 10 seconds (or 1000 feet of fall) from exit to reach terminal velocity. Some of the people jumping from the towers fell close to that before impact. And they were hitting very hard surfaces. (There are photos available of some of the remains of these impacts).

Regarding your attempt to prove your argument with the history of skyscraper on fire never collapsing, obviously you have ignored completely the fact (which I posted in detail elsewhere) that the Twin Towers were a unique architectural design--a revolutionary design called a "tube within a tube". They were the tallest buildings in the world at the time they were built. The outer steel lattice work was specifically engineered to resist the horizontal forces of wind, whereas the internal support columns held the buildings against the vertical force of gravity.

Do you have any idea whatsoever of the volume of work and materials that are required to prepare just a 20 story high-rise building for controlled demolition? For a building the size, weight and height of the WTC towers such a project would have been enormous? How in the world could that have been accomplished with not a single person becoming suspicious? How could that have been done in an entirely covert operation? Impossible.

Man, it is unfuckingbelievable how disconnected from reality you "troofers" can be.

payne1000

WTC7 wasn't a "tube within a tube," and it wasn't hit by an airliner. It fell like a classic controlled demolition.

Larry Silverstein controlled access to all three towers. There were lockdowns at night for alleged construction repairs prior to 9/11.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Oh Lord, WTC7 again. I already posted video and photos of tower debris hitting WTC7 and the resulting damage and fire. But, WTF, you are going to continue dancing the conspiracy shuffle no matter what.

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Ve'hoe

Yes, I can

1. "What the videos show about the burning fuel is that most of it burned up in the air outside the Towers not inside the towers."

Only one plane took a skewed hit on the towers,,, the other planes entire fuel load went "in" the bldg" ,,,,, and obviously you have never seen a "fuel and air" explosions effects and BDA.... until the WTC and you found it "unbelievable".... and it kind of is, but it is also,, decidedly "real"..... bldgs blow up and collapse with incredible force and momentum dissolves rocks, steel, and even humans...

2. "What force is powerful enough to reduce human bodies to fragments"..... A jet moving over 500 kts,,, its called "kinetic" force.. its a physics thing.

3. The 75 fire was mainly on one floor,,, the 11th... and the impact of the aircraft was on or near the 98th,,, strangely enough, the bldgs crumbled,,, right where the planes went in,,,,, or as you say,,,, where the explosives had to be,,,,, however, if that were the case, the aircraft would have destroyed the explosives too.. or are you trying to tell me that the novice pilots precisely hit the target???

I can rebut everything you believe, just like I can actually rebut people who think the earth is flat and 6000 yrs old..... but I cannot change the beliefs of a fool...

Ve'hoe

What rebuttal will correct idiocy,,, fear and superstition?

You already have access to the data rebutting your "opinions",,, but are too stupid or fearful to accept it,,, that is called "superstition" and it is a hallmark of ignorant and deluded fools...

payne1000

But isn't it revealing that you show no photographs of the debris damage that you claim brought WTC7 down?

The photo below shows the only damage WTC7 sustained from the fall of the Towers. Does anyone think that could cause WTC7 to fall at free-fall speed into its own footprint?

payne1000

Still no rebuttal, but I expected that. Hasbara probably doesn't pay Hasbarats enough to hire smart propagandists.

Ve'hoe

Oh, did you overlook the rebuttal??? Or do you just not read well,,, in addition to not comprehending at all?

My conjecture was that you are just too stupid,, seems I was right.

You have been repeatedly rebutted,,,, you arent smart enough to even understand the science you have butchered..... just a liberal dummy,,,

payne1000

Your claims rebutted:

(1) See photo below to note how much of the Jet fuel burned up outside the Towers.

(2) If you watch the videos of the planes hitting the towers, any passengers would have been fried crisp in the huge fireballs outside the buildings, not turned into tiny bone fragments which only powerful explosives can accomplish.

(3) Why do you lie and say the 1975 North Tower fire was mainly on one floor? The fire burned through 6 floors and burned for twice as long as on 9/11.
The airliners on 9/11 were remote-controlled. Homing devices could have been installed in the Towers which would signal the control devices where to bring the airliners into the buildings.
Since the perpetrators knew where the planes were going to hit, they installed the explosives accordingly.

Most of the jet fuel burned up in the air


The force of gravity in a collapse is straight down--not horizontal.


When the explosives started to go off, the top section started to fall off to one side. Explosives in that section caused it to disentegrate before it could fall off to one side.

payne1000

See my rebuttal of your extremely superficial rebuttal.