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Jun 16, 2015 18:33:48   #
payne1000
 
W8_4_It wrote:
Well you didn't address storms hurricanes, droughts or the myriad of other issues you brought up which were bullshit.

You are going for temps. Now its warming? I thought you said it was climate change. Can you make up your mind?

OK, here are average world temps last 18 years. Its flat.

I have more. Do you want to do dueling charts?


I won't waste my time on cover-up links which you cherry picked.

My link is the U.S. Government Environmental Protection Agency.

Why would they lie about the temperatures? It doesn't make the government's policies look good.

Why did you fail to supply a link to where you downloaded your chart?

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Jun 16, 2015 19:06:55   #
W8_4_It
 
payne1000 wrote:
I won't waste my time on cover-up links which you cherry picked.

My link is the U.S. Government Environmental Protection Agency.

Why would they lie about the temperatures? It doesn't make the government's policies look good.

Why did you fail to supply a link to where you downloaded your chart?


Geez, I didn't cherry pick anything. It is the RSS (remote sensing system) - the satellite data which is global and more homogeneous. It came from here. http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-hits-18-years-on-rss-data.html

You can get that from a lot of places.

Actually I think the planet is generally warming. Generally. It has been since the last age except for the little ice age from the 1500's to 1850. I am glad it is warming generally and not cooling. The little ice age was a terrible time with famines and starvation.

Temperature goes up and down and pauses. The global warming scientists try to explain this away. They forgot to take in account solar activity and clouds. The heat is hiding in the ocean etc. They like to concentrate on what validates their theory. If it doesn't validate the theory they throw out the data or fudge it.

They also weighted higher temperature buoys more and added temperature to the buoys so it was in line with the data from ships even though ships produce heat (from the engines etc.) You would think they would adjust the ship temperature down but they did not. They adjusted the buoy temps upward.

A while back they also threw out the tree ring data because it did not show as much warming (those lying trees!).

See here for some information. http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

I do not believe climate change is man made and we can do anything about it, that's all.

As to why the government would lie, why did they lie about Obamacare?

There is a lot of money sitting on the table with this cap and trade scheme which is really a tax. The government never met a tax it did not love.

We are on the same page about not trusting government. We just mistrust them about different things.

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Jun 16, 2015 23:21:52   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
W8_4_It wrote:
Geez, I didn't cherry pick anything. It is the RSS (remote sensing system) - the satellite data which is global and more homogeneous. It came from here. http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-hits-18-years-on-rss-data.html

You can get that from a lot of places.

Actually I think the planet is generally warming. Generally. It has been since the last age except for the little ice age from the 1500's to 1850. I am glad it is warming generally and not cooling. The little ice age was a terrible time with famines and starvation.

Temperature goes up and down and pauses. The global warming scientists try to explain this away. They forgot to take in account solar activity and clouds. The heat is hiding in the ocean etc. They like to concentrate on what validates their theory. If it doesn't validate the theory they throw out the data or fudge it.

They also weighted higher temperature buoys more and added temperature to the buoys so it was in line with the data from ships even though ships produce heat (from the engines etc.) You would think they would adjust the ship temperature down but they did not. They adjusted the buoy temps upward.

A while back they also threw out the tree ring data because it did not show as much warming (those lying trees!).

See here for some information. http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

I do not believe climate change is man made and we can do anything about it, that's all.

As to why the government would lie, why did they lie about Obamacare?

There is a lot of money sitting on the table with this cap and trade scheme which is really a tax. The government never met a tax it did not love.

We are on the same page about not trusting government. We just mistrust them about different things.
Geez, I didn't cherry pick anything. It is the RS... (show quote)


W8_4_it, you're trying to carry on a debate with a person who actually believes that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by "controlled demolition." Might as well be talking into an empty 55gal. drum.

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Jun 17, 2015 05:11:49   #
Ve'hoe
 
So then any climactic variation, is not manmade,,,nimrod,, it is a factor of the jet stream,,,, and your point is political,,, not scientific

I cant stand morons who think they are scientists,,,,

Thanks for playing idiot.


payne1000 wrote:
But it isn't 2013 any more.

The site you quoted has this to say now:

"Melt season is underway, and sea ice in the Arctic is retreating rapidly. At the end of May, ice extent was at daily record low levels. By sharp contrast, sea ice extent in the Southern Hemisphere continues to track at daily record high levels." http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The temperature in the Arctic is what affects the weather in the United States the most. Warmer temperatures in the Arctic cause the jet stream to deviate from normal patterns. This causes drought or floods in some areas and extreme cold in others. That is what climate change is all about.
But it isn't 2013 any more. br br The site you qu... (show quote)

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Jun 17, 2015 05:14:05   #
Ve'hoe
 
The governments policies arent good... they are likely created by people like you who cannot comprehend the science,,,even when they read it.... like your ridiculous claims of WTC demolition...

You have zero proof,,,,, but you are not dissuaded from being ignorant.


payne1000 wrote:
I won't waste my time on cover-up links which you cherry picked.

My link is the U.S. Government Environmental Protection Agency.

Why would they lie about the temperatures? It doesn't make the government's policies look good.

Why did you fail to supply a link to where you downloaded your chart?

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Jun 17, 2015 05:25:24   #
Ve'hoe
 
Got nothing huh???

Amusing what the unintelligent resort to, when they have no responses.



payne1000 wrote:
Schizophrenia robs you of originality as well.
You might as well go back to your Woody Woodpecker act.

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Jun 17, 2015 05:34:10   #
Ve'hoe
 
An idiot who cannot even understand the science,,,, and keeps blabbering about woodywoodpecker when people are laughing at him????


This guy is a complete vapid waste... another typically ignorant and frightened liberal.. led around by his own ignorance to hate others,, jews, conservatives,,,,, blacks, indians,,, etc etc etc,, makes racist statements but isnt racist,,, same old liberal idiots dichotomy of being.


W8_4_It wrote:
That wasn't even a good try.

The sea ice increased . How can that be if we are in a warming trend?
2nd law of thermodynamics - "Heat flows from hotter to colder areas."

It should all be getting warm (North and South Pole) according to Physics. If you can get an audience with the Pope maybe he can explain that to you.

While your at it, can you explain how America's state of the art, most advanced Climate monitoring system shows a 10 year cooling trend?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/15/americas-most-advanced-climate-station-data-shows-us-in-a-10-year-cooling-trend/
That wasn't even a good try. br br The sea ice in... (show quote)

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Jun 17, 2015 08:19:33   #
payne1000
 
dennisimoto wrote:
W8_4_it, you're trying to carry on a debate with a person who actually believes that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by "controlled demolition." Might as well be talking into an empty 55gal. drum.


Dennis, study the photo below and tell readers where the fire is that brought that tower down.



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Jun 17, 2015 08:21:17   #
Ve'hoe
 
I have blown up buildings in my military service,,,, do you REALLY not know where the "fire" is?


It is right there.....


payne1000 wrote:
Dennis, study the photo below and tell readers where the fire is that brought that tower down.



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Jun 17, 2015 08:32:33   #
payne1000
 
W8_4_It wrote:
Geez, I didn't cherry pick anything. It is the RSS (remote sensing system) - the satellite data which is global and more homogeneous. It came from here. http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-pause-hits-18-years-on-rss-data.html

You can get that from a lot of places.

Actually I think the planet is generally warming. Generally. It has been since the last age except for the little ice age from the 1500's to 1850. I am glad it is warming generally and not cooling. The little ice age was a terrible time with famines and starvation.

Temperature goes up and down and pauses. The global warming scientists try to explain this away. They forgot to take in account solar activity and clouds. The heat is hiding in the ocean etc. They like to concentrate on what validates their theory. If it doesn't validate the theory they throw out the data or fudge it.

They also weighted higher temperature buoys more and added temperature to the buoys so it was in line with the data from ships even though ships produce heat (from the engines etc.) You would think they would adjust the ship temperature down but they did not. They adjusted the buoy temps upward.

A while back they also threw out the tree ring data because it did not show as much warming (those lying trees!).

See here for some information. http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

I do not believe climate change is man made and we can do anything about it, that's all.

As to why the government would lie, why did they lie about Obamacare?

There is a lot of money sitting on the table with this cap and trade scheme which is really a tax. The government never met a tax it did not love.

We are on the same page about not trusting government. We just mistrust them about different things.
Geez, I didn't cherry pick anything. It is the RS... (show quote)


The editor of the site you linked says sea levels may rise two meters by the end of the century caused by "climate change."

"This is much more than the 59cm maximum sea level rise forecast by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) published in 2007. This new projection is based on the assumption of a rise in average global surface temperatures of 4C by 2100.The research is published in a paper in the latest edition of the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society.

The reason that these estimates are so much higher than those in the AR4 report is because the AR4 projections did not include any significant ice mass loss in either Antarctica or Greenland, according to lead researcher Robert Nicholls, of the University of Southampton in the UK. "Essentially they did not have enough information to make an estimate about ice mass loss so they did not include any impact," Nicholls told Reporting Climate Science.Com.

"This paper makes the point that if we have large temperature rises then sea levels could rise significantly. We are not predicting the worst case scenario but it is at least possible. And in the worst case many millions will be forced to move. And in the best case a lot of money and effort will need to be expended on adaptation," said Nicholls."


It appears you did cherry pick from the site only what might support your view.

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-warming-may-cause-2m-sea-level-rise-this-century-say-experts.html

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Jun 17, 2015 08:38:10   #
payne1000
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I have blown up buildings in my military service,,,, do you REALLY not know where the "fire" is?


It is right there.....


Did you know the north tower caught fire in 1975 on the eleventh floor and burned for 3 hours (twice as long as on 9/11). The fire burned through six floors and firefighters described it "like fighting a blowtorch."
When the fire was extinguished there was no damage to the steel structure.
The tower stood for another quarter century until it was taken down with explosives.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_1975_fire.html



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Jun 17, 2015 08:44:56   #
payne1000
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I have blown up buildings in my military service,,,, do you REALLY not know where the "fire" is?


It is right there.....


You've blown up buildings in your military service?

You didn't inform us you served in the IDF.

Or was it in the Zionist terror groups such as Irgun?

King David Hotel, 1946. Bombed by Irgun.92 died.
King David Hotel, 1946. Bombed by Irgun.92 died....

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Jun 17, 2015 09:13:25   #
W8_4_It
 
dennisimoto wrote:
W8_4_it, you're trying to carry on a debate with a person who actually believes that the World Trade Center towers were brought down by "controlled demolition." Might as well be talking into an empty 55gal. drum.


Yep, I can't argue with that.

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Jun 17, 2015 10:00:14   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
payne1000 wrote:
I won't waste my time on cover-up links which you cherry picked.

My link is the U.S. Government Environmental Protection Agency.

Why would they lie about the temperatures? It doesn't make the government's policies look good.

Why did you fail to supply a link to where you downloaded your chart?


YOU ARE A WASTE OF TIME! All MUSLIMS LIKE YOU ARE!

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Jun 17, 2015 11:04:27   #
Ve'hoe
 
I did not inform you of that, because I wasnt in the IDF,,,, your racism automatically skews your inability to process information.

Racism is ugly,,, but since your schizo,,, I guess ugliness is ok for you.


payne1000 wrote:
You've blown up buildings in your military service?

You didn't inform us you served in the IDF.

Or was it in the Zionist terror groups such as Irgun?

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