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Jun 16, 2015 10:26:43   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Payne1000, How generous of you to say Jews are fine. As you know, I think zionism is fine too. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. The holocaust was the final proof that Europe is no place for the Jewish people. I know of no other country that has asked us to move in. Jews are now moving back to the land that gave them birth. They have a legit. claim to the land of Israel. They have agreed to share the land with the Palestinian people. They said, no we want it all, so they may lose it all.
Israel has given much to the world in it's short life time. I would be glad to list some of the many technologies they have developed, but I know you can list them yourself.
We still hold out our hand in peace, but the Arab population of the old British mandate of Palestine refuse it.
Egypt and Jordan have recognized and have diplomatic relations with Israel, and now even Saudi-Arabia is forming an alliance with them.
You can yell and scream about how terrible the zionists are, but as I mentioned before, Israel isn't going anyplace. They are here to stay, and if the Palestinians continue to war against Israel, they will be the big losers. The ball continues to be in their court!
Payne1000, How generous of you to say Jews are fin... (show quote)


Zionism is not at all as you describe it, saltwind. Here's an outline of Zionism history. Feel free to rebute any of it if you can.

The history of Zionism started with Theodor Hertl's "The Jewish State" written in 1896. Fourteen years later Zionists plotted to get the U.S. into WWI in order to be rewarded by Britain with the Balfour Declaration.

The next big step for Zionists was to declare war on Germany in 1933 and bring about a boycott on German goods which caused the people of Germany to despise Jews even more than they already did. The German people knew the Zionists in Germany had betrayed them by manipulating the U.S. into entering the war and causing their defeat.

While the boycott was in effect Zionist German Jews made a deal with Hitler in 1933 to send 60,000 German Zionists to Palestine in order to sell German goods to break the boycott Zionists themselves had brought about. This plot allowed the Zionists to get a large foothold in Palestine and start buying up property.

Zionists felt it was necessary for non-Zionist German Jews to shed some blood during the war to enable Zionists would have a seat at the bargaining table when Germany was defeated. The plan worked eventually , helped along by the sympathy Zionists drummed up with the Holocaust hoax. Israel became a reality, aided by Zionist terrorism against the British and bribery to get enough UN countries to agree to the Israel Partition.

Zionists used Hitler when it was convenient. Now they are using the United States in his absence. They own all our media, they control our money supply, they control the majority of those who get elected to Capitol Hill through their powerful AIPAC lobby.

Those events define Zionism. No patriotic American should support the enemy inside our gates.

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Jun 16, 2015 13:40:30   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Payne1000 Zionists never made a deal with the nazis.Please don't bother posting a bs piece showing how wrong I am. Neither the nazis or zionists would even think about this kind of deal!
payne1000 wrote:
Zionism is not at all as you describe it, salt wind. Here's an outline of Zionism history. Feel free to rebute any of it if you can.

The history of Zionism started with Theodor Hertl's "The Jewish State" written in 1896. Fourteen years later Zionists plotted to get the U.S. into WWI in order to be rewarded by Britain with the Balfour Declaration.

The next big step for Zionists was to declare war on Germany in 1933 and bring about a boycott on German goods which caused the people of Germany to despise Jews even more than they already did. The German people knew the Zionists in Germany had betrayed them by manipulating the U.S. into entering the war and causing their defeat.

While the boycott was in effect Zionist German Jews made a deal with Hitler in 1933 to send 60,000 German Zionists to Palestine in order to sell German goods to break the boycott Zionists themselves had brought about. This plot allowed the Zionists to get a large foothold in Palestine and start buying up property.

Zionists felt it was necessary for non-Zionist German Jews to shed some blood during the war to enable Zionists would have a seat at the bargaining table when Germany was defeated. The plan worked eventually , helped along by the sympathy Zionists drummed up with the Holocaust hoax. Israel became a reality, aided by Zionist terrorism against the British and bribery to get enough UN countries to agree to the Israel Partition.

Zionists used Hitler when it was convenient. Now they are using the United States in his absence. They own all our media, they control our money supply, they control the majority of those who get elected to Capitol Hill through their powerful AIPAC lobby.

Those events define Zionism. No patriotic American should support the enemy inside our gates.
Zionism is not at all as you describe it, salt win... (show quote)

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Jun 16, 2015 13:51:29   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Payne1000 Zionists never made a deal with the nazis.Please don't bother posting a bs piece showing how wrong I am. Neither the nazis or zionists would even think about this kind of deal!


Here's an ABC newscast from 1984 which covers the "Transfer Agreement."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1ts3VTeeI
When you're wrong, Saltwind, the manly thing to do is to admit it.
How much of a man are you?

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Jun 16, 2015 15:21:07   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
The story you quote is a foul and corrupt lie and those that repeat it are false and corrupt liars. If you want the truth, visit, Zionism and Israel on the Web. The only connection I know about was the nazi- Muslim connection which was real. Check out Haj Amin Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Hitler was very warm towards the Palestinians. Birds of a feather.....
payne1000 wrote:
Here's an ABC newscast from 1984 which covers the "Transfer Agreement."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1ts3VTeeI
When you're wrong, Saltwind, the manly thing to do is to admit it.
How much of a man are you?

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Jun 16, 2015 16:23:48   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
The story you quote is a foul and corrupt lie and those that repeat it are false and corrupt liars. If you want the truth, visit, Zionism and Israel on the Web. The only connection I know about was the nazi- Muslim connection which was real. Check out Haj Amin Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Hitler was very warm towards the Palestinians. Birds of a feather.....


Not much of a man, are you, saltwind?

Zionists always have had trouble with truth.

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Jun 16, 2015 16:26:06   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
As your hero, Adolf used to say," If the lie is big enough, and is repeated often enough, people will believe it".
payne1000 wrote:
Not much of a man, are you, salt wind?

Zionists always have had trouble with truth.

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Jun 16, 2015 16:40:25   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Nowhere in that clip does it say that the Zionists traded Jewish lives for a Jewish state. The proposed deal was the Zionists would stop insisting on an international boycott of Germany for a transfer of German Jews to the holy land. That makes you a liar, and an anti-semite!
payne1000 wrote:
Not much of a man, are you, salt wind?

Zionists always have had trouble with truth.

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Jun 16, 2015 16:49:55   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Nowhere in that clip does it say that the Zionists traded Jewish lives for a Jewish state. The proposed deal was the Zionists would stop insisting on an international boycott of Germany for a transfer of German Jews to the holy land. That makes you a liar, and an anti-semite!


What you fail to point out is--by breaking the worldwide boycott, the Zionists saved Hitler's economy and allowed the Third Reich to survive.
If the Third Reich had failed economically, there would have been no war and no alleged Holocaust.

The world Zionist organizations had already thrown the non-Zionist German Jews under the bus by enacting the boycott in the first place. German Jews had frantically sent telegrams to the Zionist instigators of the boycott in NYC begging them not to go ahead with the boycott.
Zionists cared much more about stealing Palestine than they cared about non-Zionist Jews in Germany.

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Jun 16, 2015 17:12:37   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Not much of a man, are you, saltwind?

Zionists always have had trouble with truth.


Just like Anti Zionist's get info from books that some schmuck wrote trying to get rich from twisting history, the truth is free putz... ABC news aired your proof of nothing to be a controversial book ... nothing else...putz

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Jun 16, 2015 17:21:05   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
Just like Anti Zionist's get info from books that some schmuck wrote trying to get rich from twisting history, the truth is free putz... ABC news aired your proof of nothing to be a controversial book ... nothing else...putz


A book which no one can refute . . .

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Jun 16, 2015 17:40:29   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
I'm still waiting for a Palestinian leader to condemn Hamas and Islamic Jihad violence. There has been an active peace movement in Israel for decades, not so in Gaza and the west bank.
payne1000 wrote:
Einstein describes the "Freedom Party" headed by future Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin as Fascists. Einstein was mistaken about what they were. They were Zionist terrorists then and today they are still Zionist terrorists

Source: Text from original microfilm

TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS,
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948

http://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
Einstein describes the "Freedom Party" h... (show quote)

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Jun 16, 2015 18:21:44   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I'm still waiting for a Palestinian leader to condemn Hamas and Islamic Jihad violence. There has been an active peace movement in Israel for decades, not so in Gaza and the west bank.


Why would there be a peace movement in Gaza when the Palestinians there are imprisoned behind walls and barbed wire after having committed no crimes. Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world. Most of the inhabitants of Gaza are refugees because Zionists took their homes and land for Jewish settlements.

Here's a scorecard of Zionist and Palestinian violence:

Israelis killed by Hamas rockets in the last 10 years: 32 deaths

Palestinians killed by Israeli bombing in the past 7 years: 3,500 deaths.

If I were a Palestinian, I would not want peace, I would want justice instead.

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Jun 16, 2015 19:10:50   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
A book which no one can refute . . .


I think the problem is not with Edwin Blacks book just you and your interpretation of events and there importance in reality, blacks book is easy fuel for the hard core Anti Zionists

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Jun 16, 2015 19:27:23   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why would there be a peace movement in Gaza when the Palestinians there are imprisoned behind walls and barbed wire after having committed no crimes. Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world. Most of the inhabitants of Gaza are refugees because Zionists took their homes and land for Jewish settlements.

Here's a scorecard of Zionist and Palestinian violence:

Israelis killed by Hamas rockets in the last 10 years: 32 deaths

Palestinians killed by Israeli bombing in the past 7 years: 3,500 deaths.

If I were a Palestinian, I would not want peace, I would want justice instead.
Why would there be a peace movement in Gaza when t... (show quote)


Your math does not work.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

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Jun 16, 2015 20:00:47   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
If I were a Palestinian I would want peace. It would mean an end to poverty, war and lots of other evils. I agree with Golda Meir. There won't be peace until the Palestinians love their children more than they hate us!
payne1000 wrote:
Why would there be a peace movement in Gaza when the Palestinians there are imprisoned behind walls and barbed wire after having committed no crimes. Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world. Most of the inhabitants of Gaza are refugees because Zionists took their homes and land for Jewish settlements.

Here's a scorecard of Zionist and Palestinian violence:

Israelis killed by Hamas rockets in the last 10 years: 32 deaths

Palestinians killed by Israeli bombing in the past 7 years: 3,500 deaths.

If I were a Palestinian, I would not want peace, I would want justice instead.
Why would there be a peace movement in Gaza when t... (show quote)

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